We're Not Gay And We're Not Straight

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Originally Posted by nysprod

This was also about what I said in the first post:

"Are guys like us who are into TGirls totally straight? I say no. We are turned on by male genitalia after all (even though it's "attached" to a feminine form). Let's be real about that."

I read a lot when I first joined about how guys (like me) into TGirls saw themselves as "straight"...I didn't agree with it but I was new and didn't want to come off like a know-it-all or worse, a troll. But I knew at some point I wanted to talk about it because I'm in this.

So now I've been here for a while, I've read a lot, posted, participated etc, and I figured since people were somewhat familiar with me it would be OK to talk about it in a way that was open and non-judgmental. I think I accomplished this because I didn't see one post where the person was offended by my saying that guys into TGirls are not totally straight.

I'm into TGirls...I don't believe I'm totally straight anymore...I just want to be real about it...saying it anonymously on a forum isn't much, I guess, but it's a start.

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Is there such a thing as "totally straight"? How do you know your totally straight neighbor isn't watching TS porn, too? Obviously not every straight man watches TS porn as we do-although a large number of men who watch porn regularly also sometimes watch TS porn, and it's not even unusual any more.

By "being real" I assume you mean accepting that my sexuality departs in some substantial way from the norm. I don't know that this is true--so I will not accept it as it true. I think if there were no social stigma the majority of straight men would fuck Domino when they were horny. Maybe a majority would do it right now. I'm not every man, so I don't know what every man or most men would do.

I wouldn't fuck an obese woman (even when drunk, which would make it even harder to stay aroused); yet many men do it. I would think a beautiful TS like Vaniity or Eva Lin would be closer to paradigmatic image of feminine beauty than Gabourey Sidibe (actress who played "Precious")--yet, some men would fuck the latter, and claim they would never fuck the former. Whatever. Different strokes. If I am different, I at least intend to enjoy myself--which is what "being real" means to me.

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Originally Posted by robertlouis

....but oddly comforting. I mean, what would we talk about if they weren't always here?

:joke: btw.....

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Six nations rugby...

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Originally Posted by BrendaQG

That is because we are part of the LGBT community.

Often the discrimination against us overlaps with homophobia.

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i know you are- hence i was using that as an example as to why one wouldn't be straight if blah blah blah

If I had a gun to my head and was forced to say that if I am very much attracted to Evon Rose it makes me gay..then... it makes me gay. If I had a gun to my head and was forced to say that if I am very much attracted to Evon Rose it makes me a guy who likes beautiful girls who have a penis...then ...it makes me a guy who likes beautiful girls who have a penis. Luckily, my friends with guns keep them locked up and could care less about how hot I think Evon Rose is. On the other hand, if Evon Rose ever wants to know how hot I think she is she wont need to put a gun to my head.

(supply your own penis/gun jokes as you see fit)

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Originally Posted by my my my!

Exactly this.

The problem is , trying to convince or otherwise educate the rest of society who does not think like you. Which is sometimes in itself a futile effort.

To me a transwoman, is just a woman. The physical characteristics don't define her, what defines her, is how she perceives herself. However that might not match up to what most of society "sees". She might feel, perceive, behave, like a woman, but to some of society she will always be a man.

It's all about personal perception. Do you define yourself by society's standards or by your own?

I know people that think, when knowing a couple's genitalia (not my viewpoints):
vagina + vagina = homosexual/lesbian/gay . Of course this includes gg women that do not identify as men, although they might be "studs" or butch. This includes transmen as long as they still have a vagina. I know people that take it even further and say, that even if a transman gets the bottom surgery, they are still in fact a woman biologically.

penis + penis= homosexual/gay . They include of course the cisgender males who are attracted to other males. They include transsexual women , who have or have not had the bottom surgery, regardless if they pass 100% as a woman.

There's also people that say they are in fact a third Gender, and neither female or male, or both. How does society classify that person's relationship with a person who Identifies as their birth gender?
example: Third gender who outwardly looks female (born male) dates cis Male
some of society: might classify this as a homosexual relationship
some of society: might classify this as a heterosexual relationship
some of society: might say "there's no such thing as a third gender , you're either female or male"
some of society: might say "since she is third gender , that makes the cis male that dates her , a 3rdgendersexual (made up the word)"

Then you have the "plumbing" people. Example, Thomas Beattie being a pregnant "man" , while still having a functioning uterus and ovaries.
Some of society: says, he is in fact still a woman, because he has a uterus
some of society: might say, "thomas beattie is in fact a man who is pregnant"

Add that , to the androgynous people that blur the gender lines. Where do they and their partners fit in the whole "gay or straight" spectrum.


And of course I know (and agree with) people that say
A Man= includes transmen that identify, live as, Men.
A woman= includes transwomen that Identify, and live as women.

Can we get everyone to agree some day? Probably Not. There's people that will always believe what they believe (the tired abortion debate proves this)

So to answer the original poster's question.

I am a male (cisgendered), that is attracted to women. That makes me straight. Of course a segment of society is going to say I'm gay/homosexual/bisexual if I date and have sexual relations with a transwoman, regardless of her passability and surgery status.. Do I let that define me? No

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I'm really at the point where I couldn't be arsed to give into how society defines things. Only I get to define myself. The only opinion about who I am that matters is mine and I know who and what I am. We are individual units of awareness, after all. I have my own perception of self. If someone wishes to disagree or disrespect me for viewing myself as I do, that's their damn problem. I don't want those people around me anyway, if they're not willing to learn from someone who is different from them. Life's too short.

But society slowly yet surely is learning. I'd say the trans rights movement is in the same the gay rights movement was in the early '90s or so.

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Originally Posted by Jimmy W

If I had a gun to my head and was forced to say that if I am very much attracted to Evon Rose it makes me gay..then... it makes me gay. If I had a gun to my head and was forced to say that if I am very much attracted to Evon Rose it makes me a guy who likes beautiful girls who have a penis...then ...it makes me a guy who likes beautiful girls who have a penis. Luckily, my friends with guns keep them locked up and could care less about how hot I think Evon Rose is. On the other hand, if Evon Rose ever wants to know how hot I think she is she wont need to put a gun to my head.

(supply your own penis/gun jokes as you see fit)

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Awww cuddle!!!!!!!

I've always liked girls who are ultra-fem, so when I see somebody like Evon or Amber, for example, I just see a beautiful woman, full stop. Truthfully don't think about what may or may not lie between their legs. I'm attracted by their sheer femininity and will always treat them as ladies just because it's what I do.

And I couldn't give a flying fuck if that makes me gay or not. I know what I like and what I like makes me happy. Who cares if someone else wants to slap a label on that?

RL might be a scot but sometimes he hits the nail on the head. I agree 100 per cent with the last sentiment. Labels are meaningless. A girl is a girl or a woman.... treat them all with respect.

"May be a Scot, but...."

WTF??? I'll nail your fuckin' head tae the wall so ah wull, ya sassenach bastart!

Scratch a scot and out comes the woad covered Pictish primitive... but hey labels don't matter do they mr Pict

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Originally Posted by Prospero

Scratch a scot and out comes the woad covered Pictish primitive... but hey labels don't matter do they mr Pict

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Absolutely right.

English prick. :dancing:

I have an Anglo-Irish prick actually.. and proud of it, ya tartan scrotum bag

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Originally Posted by robertlouis

Truthfully don't think about what may or may not lie between their legs.

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This is partially what the thread was about...the whole denial thing...

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Originally Posted by nysprod

This is partially what the thread was about...the whole denial thing...

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What do you mean by denial?

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Originally Posted by Saint_Frankenstein

What do you mean by denial?

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As in being in it...

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Originally Posted by nysprod

As in being in it...

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Uh huh. What if he's just a guy who digs women in general?

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Originally Posted by Saint_Frankenstein

Uh huh. What if he's just a guy who digs women in general?

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Not saying he isn't...I am too...

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Originally Posted by Prospero

Scratch a scot and out comes the woad covered Pictish primitive.

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I scratched a Scot once and out came 40 proof!

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Originally Posted by amberskyi

I'm a woman point blank period and the men i deal worth are straight regardless of what we do sexually.stop over analyzing everything and go find something to do

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For once we can agree.

Perhaps the OP hunts for "male genitalia" first and the female form last
but for me it's the woman in question that turns me on not just a dick.

By that logic any pair of lips would satisfy my desire for kissing as apposed to actually being attracted to a woman who owns a succulent pair of soup cooler's.

Where I'll agree with the OP is that if you are registered here (and not trans-woman) you are probably interested in a dick on a girl. To say you have no particular interest in that combination (girl + dick) strikes me as disingenuous. If you are truly genitalia indifferent, then why bother with TS's at all since feminine trans-women are so rare (relatively speaking)?

More than likely if you are here you are turned on by the novelty of a dick on a girl or else there is something that intrigues you about a male transforming into a female.

I don't give a shit about a lady's pussy if I'm not attracted to the rest of her; likewise, I don't give a shit about a TS's dick if I don't like how she looks with cloths on. But still, if I'm putting the work into finding a TS (through eros, at a TS party, ect.) it's because I want variety, and not because I spun the wheel and it landed on tranny.

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Originally Posted by Chase_Mcthirsty

for me it's the woman in question that turns me on not just a dick.

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Same for me, I'm VERY picky...but we do want a woman with a dick...

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Originally Posted by wiltthestilt

To say you have no particular interest in that combination (girl + dick) strikes me as disingenuous. But still, if I'm putting the work into finding a TS it's because I want variety, and not because I spun the wheel and it landed on tranny.

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Indeed...

I've been following along for a little while now, and I think it's about time I toss my two cents in...

Labels work for this topic just about as well as they do for politics. No one fits the left/right paradigm exactly. In fact, it's a false paradigm to begin with. One of the ways of overcoming that fact in the political field is to plot opinions out on the Nolan chart. It has its own flaws, but it's fairly accurate for getting a sense of your own philosophy and where and how it relates to others.

So why not come up with a version of the Nolan chart for sexual orientation? If we really want to be able to put some sort of quantifiable value to the various possibilities and where each of us stands among them, it seems to me that would be the way to go.

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Originally Posted by BrassVillanueva

I've been following along for a little while now, and I think it's about time I toss my two cents in...

Labels work for this topic just about as well as they do for politics. No one fits the left/right paradigm exactly. In fact, it's a false paradigm to begin with. One of the ways of overcoming that fact in the political field is to plot opinions out on the Nolan chart. It has its own flaws, but it's fairly accurate for getting a sense of your own philosophy and where and how it relates to others.

So why not come up with a version of the Nolan chart for sexual orientation? If we really want to be able to put some sort of quantifiable value to the various possibilities and where each of us stands among them, it seems to me that would be the way to go.

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Appreciate the thought BV, but it's not really necessary...I think all that needed to be said has been...

I agree, I just figure it'd be something to point people to when they ask "THE" question. It's not like this board hasn't been prone to floods of "am I gay?" posts :D

One way I look at is like this; if you separate the two, which turns you on more?? A woman born with a pussy?? Or the thought of a raging hard cock??

Normally, or I should say previously, I was just about woman an all their variations, but a switch flipped when I first saw that perfect combo of a girl with 'special' parts.

Cocks NOT attached to TS do nothing for me.

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Originally Posted by wiltthestilt

Where I'll agree with the OP is that if you are registered here (and not trans-woman) you are probably interested in a dick on a girl.To say you have no particular interest in that combination (girl + dick) strikes me as disingenuous. If you are truly genitalia indifferent, then why bother with TS's at all since feminine trans-women are so rare (relatively speaking)?

More than likely if you are here you are turned on by the novelty of a dick on a girl or else there is something that intrigues you about a male transforming into a female.

I don't give a shit about a lady's pussy if I'm not attracted to the rest of her; likewise, I don't give a shit about a TS's dick if I don't like how she looks with cloths on. But still, if I'm putting the work into finding a TS (through eros, at a TS party, ect.) it's because I want variety, and not because I spun the wheel and it landed on tranny.

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really good point.

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Originally Posted by robertlouis

Absolutely right.

English prick. :dancing:

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Originally Posted by Prospero

I have an Anglo-Irish prick actually.. and proud of it, ya tartan scrotum bag

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Originally Posted by Jericho

I scratched a Scot once and out came 40 proof!

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Y'know I prefer this way more to the usual persnickety hen-pecking that goes on with you characters.

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Originally Posted by BrassVillanueva

I agree, I just figure it'd be something to point people to when they ask "THE" question. It's not like this board hasn't been prone to floods of "am I gay?" posts :D

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Viva Zapata Tube!

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Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel

One way I look at is like this; if you separate the two, which turns you on more?? A woman born with a pussy?? Or the thought of a raging hard cock??

Normally, or I should say previously, I was just about woman an all their variations, but a switch flipped when I first saw that perfect combo of a girl with 'special' parts.

Cocks NOT attached to TS do nothing for me.

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Yes they need to be attached to someone that feels, acts, and believes they are a girl. Their appearance need not be fully transitioned but their mind needs to be. Then I love to play with her cock.

Cross dressing is often part of the transition journey, but it is a common path with the TV journey - well I am not taking that journey. I don't think I can handle those early in transition where they are unsure if boy or girl.

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Originally Posted by Dino Velvet

Y'know I prefer this way more to the usual persnickety hen-pecking that goes on with you characters.

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And you can go to hell too, damn colonial! The impertinence. Pshaw, sir.

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Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel

One way I look at is like this; if you separate the two, which turns you on more?? A woman born with a pussy?? Or the thought of a raging hard cock??

Normally, or I should say previously, I was just about woman an all their variations, but a switch flipped when I first saw that perfect combo of a girl with 'special' parts.

Cocks NOT attached to TS do nothing for me.

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i agree, i love hung tgurls not into penis not included tgirls. their she cock is what makes them unique n different from gg's. then again never been w/ one w/o a penis.

Not gay.

Not straight.

Just creative. :)

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Originally Posted by wiltthestilt

Is there such a thing as "totally straight"? How do you know your totally straight neighbor isn't watching TS porn, too? Obviously not every straight man watches TS porn as we do-although a large number of men who watch porn regularly also sometimes watch TS porn, and it's not even unusual any more.

By "being real" I assume you mean accepting that my sexuality departs in some substantial way from the norm. I don't know that this is true--so I will not accept it as it true. I think if there were no social stigma the majority of straight men would fuck Domino when they were horny. Maybe a majority would do it right now. I'm not every man, so I don't know what every man or most men would do.

I wouldn't fuck an obese woman (even when drunk, which would make it even harder to stay aroused); yet many men do it. I would think a beautiful TS like Vaniity or Eva Lin would be closer to paradigmatic image of feminine beauty than Gabourey Sidibe (actress who played "Precious")--yet, some men would fuck the latter, and claim they would never fuck the former. Whatever. Different strokes. If I am different, I at least intend to enjoy myself--which is what "being real" means to me.

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I quite like this way of thinking...
Too much effort on labelling who and what we are, when during the same time you could of had some fun, experimented and smiled!

I tell you what i am, and that is aroused :)

All good points about liking cock on a gurl but tell that to your straight buddies and they will say you are GAY, GAY, GAY if you like cock. End of story. Try it. I dare any of you to tell one of your hetero guy friends at work or school or a longtime friend. See what they say.
"You suck cock? You take cock in the ass? I don't care if HE looks like the hottest girl in the world, she has a cock and you are GAY!!!!"

I'm not gay, that's all I know.

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Originally Posted by gurkhabeast

i agree, i love hung tgurls not into penis not included tgirls. their she cock is what makes them unique n different from gg's. then again never been w/ one w/o a penis.

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i'm just curious but how does that happen? did you date (or pay) hung angels in high-school and college as well?

If you are primarily interested in cock, rather than other female attributes, there is quite a chance you ARE gay, most likely a closet case. It’s not called self-denial for no reason, and being "attracted" to transsexuals or TV/CDs could be your way of lying to yourself and excuse for staying in the closet. There is NOTHING wrong with being gay, don’t let the society dic(k)tate your true self.
If you are also bottom, or fascinated by TS tops, your chances go high. It’s up to you; Live your life or live a lie.

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Originally Posted by girl

If you are primarily interested in cock, rather than other female attributes, there is quite a chance you ARE gay, most likely a closet case. It’s not called self-denial for no reason, and being "attracted" to transsexuals or TV/CDs could be your way of lying to yourself and excuse for staying in the closet. There is NOTHING wrong with being gay, don’t let the society dic(k)tate your true self.
If you are also bottom, or fascinated by TS tops, your chances go high. It’s up to you; Live your life or live a lie.

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Maybe I'm wrong, but I believe gay guys like masculinity and, well, men. So whether you're into tranny tops or not, I don't get why you'd pick a feminine form to get your dick if you were gay.

Dear CockPolisher, read again what I wrote...

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Originally Posted by girl

Dear CockPolisher, read again what I wrote...

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In regards to self denial? I'm not sure you can just choose what you're attracted to to make yourself feel better.