X-critic also against Transsexuals

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Originally Posted by amberskyi

i see the same damn extremes on shemale yum as well.
and who are you to decide if an early transitioner is a real ts woman or not? are you going by physical appearance? theres no way for you to know that other than sitting down with the person one on one and asking.not every girls starts out with a natural femininity some it takes years of hormones and surgery.

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True Amber, who am I to say??
But do you deny that there are times when CDs are presented as transgendered just to sell product?

I'm not saying they ALL are, but with some.....put it this way, the fashion editorial director of Vogue Mag is not about to put a 300# woman with acne on the cover and say she's an 'early stage runway model'.

Porn has always been about the hustle game, and the consumers are the marks.

There are models IMO who shouldn't be featured on many of these trans-oriented sites because they either are selling a false product, or are way too early in the process of transitioning.

GroobyKrissy, I'm far from afraid of confrontation, but I'm also not going to get into an interwebz back-and-forth with someone who argues with their own reflection. You're a repetitive bigmouth. No thanks.

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Originally Posted by FRANKLIN

FYI, not trying to be mean. Seanachi has posted in the past that he does shoot TVs for the TS sites..............

Jamie Bankurm is one of these TVs. Jamie is a gay man who does gay porn. However, companies like Grooby and Shemale Strokers shoot him with women's clothing and a wig.

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thats all well and good,im not saying it doesnt happen but just because someone doesnt fit your standard of femininity doesnt mean that they are a ts woman.
go to brazil,there are tons of drop dead gorgeous "ts woman" but you will be surprised how many consider themselves just effeminate gay men.

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Originally Posted by Wendy Summers

So I'll open up a can of worms here LOL

Franklin, in your mind's eye, what am I? (Besides unattractive to you - which is fine you're not my target market ;))

I've been off of hormones for almost all of my porn career due to medical issues.
I have never had any medical enhancements to my body: no surgeries; no pumping etc.


Am I a TS in your world view?

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Eye of the beholder, but IMO Wendy you're very fem.
Your personality through posts comes across as very 'chick-y'.:fuckin:
The boobs, skin, face, etc. You're a LADY.

Not going to speak for FRANKLIN, but I've seen some girls who just aren't even close to pulling off being a trans-woman in photos.

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Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel

True Amber, who am I to say??
But do you deny that there are times when CDs are presented as transgendered just to sell product?

I'm not saying they ALL are, but with some.....put it this way, the fashion editorial director of Vogue Mag is not about to put a 300# woman with acne on the cover and say she's an 'early stage runway model'.

Porn has always been about the hustle game, and the consumers are the marks.

There are models IMO who shouldn't be featured on many of these trans-oriented sites because they either are selling a false product, or are way too early in the process of transitioning.

GroobyKrissy, I'm far from afraid of confrontation, but I'm also not going to get into an interwebz back-and-forth with someone who argues with their own reflection. You're a repetitive bigmouth. No thanks.

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how is asking one question for concrete definitions pertinent to the discussion at hand an "argument"? I'm totally fine if you (or Franklin) judge people solely on looks... Just admit it... One more chance for you too now.

The problem is you really can't admit that because to use Franklin's wording... Your data then becomes invalid. I know it is strange to have to answer for your words... So sorry for that inconvenience.

ALL tgirl consumers judge girls on their LOOKS. All porn consumers judge actors on their appearance. Is this a suddenly a new concept??

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Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel

Eye of the beholder, but IMO Wendy you're very fem.
Your personality through posts comes across as very 'chick-y'.:fuckin:
The boobs, skin, face, etc. You're a LADY.

Not going to speak for FRANKLIN, but I've seen some girls who just aren't even close to pulling off being a trans-woman in photos.

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catch me 5 years ago and i was nothing close to passable.i can assure you though that ive fell like a woman my whole life.i use to cry myselff to sleep over it.it wasnt until allot of hormones and few surgeries later that i started to resemble what you call a "ts woman".
you cant judge things like this on looks alone.i understand men are vsiual creatures and all that but why not try to strive to be someone deeper lol

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Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel

ALL tgirl consumers judge girls on their LOOKS. All porn consumers judge actors on their appearance. Is this a suddenly a new concept??

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not the point here and I'll give you more credit than you'd give me and say you're smart enough to know it. That is a dodge (bad one) of my question... Which you (or Franklin) have yet to answer.

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Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel

Not going to speak for FRANKLIN,

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Shhhhh.... be vewy vewy qwiet... I'm huntin Fwanklin's hehehehehehehe

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Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel

ALL tgirl consumers judge girls on their LOOKS. All porn consumers judge actors on their appearance. Is this a suddenly a new concept??

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Too many people in the TS porn industry are sensitive about judging a TS's looks. I understand that transitioning is not an easy process. However, we are also paying consumers. Our voices should be heard in praise and in criticism. If you are a model in the sex industry then you should expect to be judged based on your looks and performances. Your looks will be judged the most.

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Originally Posted by GroobyKrissy

not the point here and I'll give you more credit than you'd give me and say you're smart enough to know it. That is a dodge (bad one) of my question... Which you (or Franklin) have yet to answer.

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I answered your question twice. Go back a page or two.

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Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel

ALL tgirl consumers judge girls on their LOOKS. All porn consumers judge actors on their appearance. Is this a suddenly a new concept??

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and thats the problem right there.guys see a few shemale scenes,see an escort or two and feel like they can weigh in on what it is to be ts.
you have multiple ts woman of various transition experience telling you that you cant judge whos a ts or not solely based on looks but your not acknowledging that lol.
why if i told you i truly feel like a man.i just do this shit for kicks.here i am looking all "passable" and shit but dont feel like a woman at all.i know a few girls who have implants and look pretty as hell but dont feel like woman.they just look the part.
i also know trans woman who look like shaq but spent their whole lives living and feeling like woman.

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Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel

Not going to speak for FRANKLIN, but I've seen some girls who just aren't even close to pulling off being a trans-woman in photos.

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This "...close to pulling off being a trans-woman in photos..." proves a complete and utter failure to grasp what TS is. You have NO further credibility to speak on the issue.

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Originally Posted by FRANKLIN

I answered your question twice. Go back a page or two.

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No you didn't. You put down what I stated you'd put down, which is to say,

Being TS us what qualifies you to be on a TS site.

Surely I don't have to explain the concept of circular reasoning to someone as smart as you? Like I said, I have NO problem if you judge a person's TS status solely on looks... Just admit it and lose all credibility to speak seriously on the subject.

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Originally Posted by amberskyi

and thats the problem right there.guys see a few shemale scenes,see an escort or two and feel like they can weigh in on what it is to be ts.
you have multiple ts woman of various transition experience telling you that you cant judge whos a ts or not solely based on looks but your not acknowledging that lol.
why if i told you i truly feel like a man.i just do this shit for kicks.here i am looking all "passable" and shit but dont feel like a woman at all.i know a few girls who have implants and look pretty as hell but dont feel like woman.they just look the part.
i also know trans woman who look like shaq but spent their whole lives living and feeling like woman.

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You don't understand what is being said. I understand that it is a long process for a TS. However, consumers want the best looking models. There is nothing wrong with wanting the best girls like Hazel Tuker, Kimber James, Eva Lin, and Sarina Valentina. They're who many consumers want to see featured on every site.

I understand that not all TS women are very feminine. A person's status as a TS cannot be based on looks. A TS woman is not required to be feminine. A TS woman may not be in transition. However, that is not up for debate. That's not being agrued.

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Originally Posted by GroobyKrissy

This "...close to pulling off being a trans-woman in photos..." proves a complete and utter failure to grasp what TS is. You have NO further credibility to speak on the issue.

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You all aren't getting that we're having a convo about SELLING and COMMODIFYING the concept of transgendered sexuality as a product.

We're not defining what it meaning in a very personal sense to be transgendered.

If you're asking me to purchase your vid because you're TG, you have to bring more to the table than just being a 'tgirl', however you want to define it.

Amber is making rhetorical points, but Amber is also beautiful. She knows what her product is and how to sell it.

You can't bend the space-time continuum of TS porn just to make a political point.
Porn of any kind is about selling the GOODS to your audience, and being successful in any business begins with knowing your audience foremost.

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Originally Posted by FRANKLIN

Too many people in the TS porn industry are sensitive about judging a TS's looks. I understand that transitioning is not an easy process. However, we are also paying consumers. Our voices should be heard in praise and in criticism. If you are a model in the sex industry then you should expect to be judged based on your looks and performances. Your looks will be judged the most.

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Again with the reading comprehension problem. I could care less who you do or do not find ATTRACTIVE. When you go beyond that however and start saying girls are "bad" (read: unworthy) to be on a site like SMY because you question their TS status... That I have a problem with.

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Originally Posted by GroobyKrissy

what qualifies you to be on a TS site.

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I will try a crack at this.

The only qualification is for someone to appear on a TS site, whether CD/TS, is to appear feminine and interested in the scene. Look at Kayla Coxx for example. As Kayla, she delivers great scenes but that person is also a gay porn actor. Still, Kayla Coxx scenes are more feminine and passionate than a majority of other TS pornstars. That is my two cents, anyway.

This thread needs some maturity injected int it:

Here's a bat with a boner.



http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/bat_36abb6_786485.jpg

You're welcome ;)

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Originally Posted by GroobyKrissy

Again with the reading comprehension problem. I could care less who you do or do not find ATTRACTIVE. When you go beyond that however and start saying girls are "bad" (read: unworthy) to be on a site like SMY because you question their TS status... That I have a problem with.

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Damn! Read the damn thread again. I have not questioned anyone's status. Seachi has said that he shoots TVS on his TS sites. I do not know who most of these people are. I did not call out anyone besides Jamie. Jamie Markum is the only TV I know he has shot.

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Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel

You all aren't getting that we're having a convo about SELLING and COMMODIFYING the concept of transgendered sexuality as a product.

We're not defining what it meaning in a very personal sense to be transgendered.

If you're asking me to purchase your vid because you're TG, you have to bring more to the table than just being a 'tgirl', however you want to define it.

Amber is making rhetorical points, but Amber is also beautiful. She knows what her product is and how to sell it.

You can't bend the space-time continuum of TS porn just to make a political point.
Porn of any kind is about selling the GOODS to your audience, and being successful in any business begins with knowing your audience foremost.

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No. You're backtracking now because you and Franklin have both spewed your crap and find yourselves in a corner. Your original response to Franklin's post about TV's being featured on TS sites directly contradicts what you're now stating.

Stand by your words or just simply say you were wrong. I expect neither though.

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Originally Posted by sherm13

I will try a crack at this.

The only qualification is for someone to appear on a TS site, whether CD/TS, is to appear feminine and interested in the scene. Look at Kayla Coxx for example. As Kayla, she delivers great scenes but that person is also a gay porn actor. Still, Kayla Coxx scenes are more feminine and passionate than a majority of other TS pornstars. That is my two cents, anyway.

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That's false advertisement. Kayla Coxx may have been in TS porn DVDs and sites. However, Kayla Coxx has only done gay porn. Being in a TS DVD does not change the fact the scene is actually a gay porn scene. You're watching a MAN jack off or a man get fucked by another man. That's not TS porn. That's gay porn.

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Originally Posted by FRANKLIN

Damn! Read the damn thread again. I have not questioned anyone's status. Seachi has said that he shoots TVS on his TS sites. I do not know who most of these people are. I did not call out anyone besides Jamie. Jamie Markum is the only TV I know he has shot.

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It is Markham.

I love people who cannot even comprehend the things they have said. It is "calling out" girls who you find UNATTRACTIVE to say that they are merely guys in wigs and dresses ( or something to that effect) and don't belong on a TS site because they are, in fact, not TS. Can you deny you stated that?

anyway... I really am out now so feel free to talk about me behind my back. I'm in a club and this guy has been patiently waiting for me to get off my phone ;) See ya!

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Originally Posted by GroobyKrissy

It is Markham.

I love people who cannot even comprehend the things they have said. It is "calling out" girls who you find UNATTRACTIVE to say that they are merely guys in wigs and dresses ( or something to that effect) and don't belong on a TS site because they are, in fact, not TS. Can you deny you stated that?

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Prove to me that I said that! I know you can't!

I clearly said that TVs not belong on TS sites.

I said poor quality TS models should not be in porn. I did not deny or question their status as TS women.

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Originally Posted by sherm13

I will try a crack at this.

The only qualification is for someone to appear on a TS site, whether CD/TS, is to appear feminine and interested in the scene. Look at Kayla Coxx for example. As Kayla, she delivers great scenes but that person is also a gay porn actor. Still, Kayla Coxx scenes are more feminine and passionate than a majority of other TS pornstars. That is my two cents, anyway.

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Truth.

I'm sure like most guys into TS and TS porn that I've been 'fooled' before.:shrug

Porn after all is about selling illusion and fantasy.
All I'm asking is if you're going to fuck my head, do it big time.
http://rafesdaily.com/wp-content/upl...2/10/black.jpg


Don't play me cheap.

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Originally Posted by FRANKLIN

Prove to me that I said that!

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First motherfucking word in the post below... what do I win? :dancing:

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Originally Posted by FRANKLIN

That's false advertisement. Kayla Coxx may have been in TS porn DVDs and sites. However, Kayla Coxx has only done gay porn. Being in a TS DVD does not change the fact the scene is actually a gay porn scene. You're watching a MAN jack off or a man get fucked by another man. That's not TS porn. That's gay porn.

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Originally Posted by Wendy Summers

First motherfucking word in the post below... what do I win? :dancing:

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You didn't prove anything. Kayla Coxxx is not a transsexual. This is not based on Kayla's looks. This is based on Kayla's statements. Kayla is a TV featured in TS porn.

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Originally Posted by Wendy Summers

First motherfucking word in the post below... what do I win? :dancing:

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a life time of constant critiques about your site lol

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Originally Posted by FRANKLIN

You didn't prove anything. Kayla Coxxx is not a transsexual. This is not based on Kayla's looks. This is based on Kayla's statements. Kayla is a TV featured in TS porn.

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Trolling you is no fun when the troll goes over your head...

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Originally Posted by FRANKLIN

Prove to me that I said that!

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Originally Posted by FRANKLIN

That's false advertisement. Kayla Coxx may have been in TS porn DVDs and sites. However, Kayla Coxx has only done gay porn. Being in a TS DVD does not change the fact the scene is actually a gay porn scene. You're watching a MAN jack off or a man get fucked by another man. That's not TS porn. That's gay porn.

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so does it still count as false advertisment if the girl looks like sarina valentina but feel like daryl washington inside lol

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Originally Posted by amberskyi

a life time of constant critiques about your site lol

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For some reason the guys never say anythign negative about me - I personally believe they are familiar with my uncle's sage advice:

"If you can't say something nice.... SHUT UP!"

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Originally Posted by amberskyi

so does it still count as false advertisment if the girl looks like sarina valentina but feel like daryl washington inside lol

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I bet daryl wouldn't mind being inside Sarina....

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Originally Posted by amberskyi

so does it still count as false advertisment if the girl looks like sarina valentina but feel like daryl washington inside lol

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If a F2M looks like a woman then the person is still a TS. I've never said looks determine a person's TS status.

Kayla Coxxx is an open gay male who crossdressed for Ts porn companies and some Johns. Kayla Coxxx was a TV hooker. TVs are not TS woman. That's all that I am saying. How hard is that to understand?

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Originally Posted by GroobyKrissy

No. You're backtracking now because you and Franklin have both spewed your crap and find yourselves in a corner. Your original response to Franklin's post about TV's being featured on TS sites directly contradicts what you're now stating.

Stand by your words or just simply say you were wrong. I expect neither though.

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This is why I don't engage you in discussions because you make shit up as you go along.

And I totally know and believe there have been gay men posing as TS who have been featured on tranny porn sites, either unknowingly or with the full knowledge of the site owner.

Many of the girls have said as much on this exact same board.

But all I'm really focused on in this case is appearance, not who's really TG. It's not a huge issue for me because IMO whenever Seanchai posts a drop dead beautiful TG, it cancels out those girls I don't find particularly attractive.

Even when I look at a Playboy mag, I don't find every girl pure perfection.
I don't think it's reasonable in the TS genre to expect it either.

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Originally Posted by Wendy Summers

For some reason the guys never say anythign negative about me - I personally believe they are familiar with my uncle's sage advice:

"If you can't say something nice.... SHUT UP!"

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or theyre scared that youll use you violet wand on their naughty bits

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Originally Posted by amberskyi

or theyre scared that youll use you violet wand on their naughty bits

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EXACTLY why my uncle gave that advice... :geek:

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Originally Posted by FRANKLIN

If a F2M looks like a woman then the person is still a TS. I've never said looks determine a person's TS status.

Kayla Coxxx is an open gay male who crossdressed for Ts porn companies and some Johns. Kayla Coxxx was a TV hooker. TVs are not TS woman. That's all that I am saying. How hard is that to understand?

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thats not what i asked but ok lol.
what if a ts model looked as passable as sarina but was only transitioning for the money that can be made in porn and escorting.would you still feel like it was false advertisement if you naughty busty vixen still identified as a man?

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Originally Posted by amberskyi

thats not what i asked but ok lol.
what if a ts model looked as passable as sarina but was only transitioning for the money that can be made in porn and escorting.would you still feel like it was false advertisement if you naughty busty vixen still identified as a man?

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LOL. You're making me paranoid!!:hide-1:

Please tell me you don't know more than one person who's doing this.

Oh and yeah, that is false advertising. But that's the game, isn't it???

There are valid points on both sides. The problem with trans porn is not the quality of the models. There are so many beautiful, unique women offering top quality performance for their fans so it is really insulting to imply that trans porn has lower standards. People are somehow judging TS porn differently than "straight" (cis) porn, and I'm not understanding why. I'm sure there are a lot of girls in straight porn that you personally do not find attractive, and question their place in porn --- but I'm sure you also understand that every girl has value in the proper market.

When you understand that there are a wide variety of consumers and a shit ton of money to be made off of their preferences and fantasies, you'd employ a wide variety of women to fill the tall order too. In my opinion, the only difference between straight porn and TS porn (in this specific circumstance) is the idea that non-passable women should not be in porn. This idea is ridiculous. Maybe a non-passable girl won't be on your top 10 or even top 100 list of your favorite girls, but there is a huge market for masculine/early-transitioned TS girls. You may not like it, but just ask the porn producers...because they are delivering many options, and I'm sure everybody is happy. :geek:

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Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel

LOL. You're making me paranoid!!:hide-1:

Please tell me you don't know more than one person who's doing this.

Oh and yeah, that is false advertising. But that's the game, isn't it???

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the truth behind allot of yall beloved brazilian girls lol :

"Travesti are Brazilian trans women who are attracted to men.[15] Travestis' feminine identity includes hormones and/or silicone body alterations, feminine dress, language, and social and sexual roles, but rarely genital surgery.[15] However, in contrast to North American transsexual women, they often don't see themselves as real women, and many describe themselves as gay or homosexual.[15] According to Don Kulick, they will describe themselves instead as "feeling like a woman".

Transgender sexuality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


to answer your question tho i personally know one popular ts model who has admitted to never feeling like a woman at all but im big on respecting peoples privacy