Men on dating ts women

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Originally Posted by Marie Thorne

The issue with chasers is that most trans women want to be treated and wanted as women, not as trans women. Why the hell would any want to be with someone who wants them for the part of them they're trying to fix / get past.

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That's a bit of a catch 22 as well and from the outside looking in could be a set up for some real heartache. I understand it but really if someone wants to be with you it's on an emotional level or they just won't hang around. I do understand what you are saying though. I am not sure of the difference between how you treat someone both with the right biology and someone not unless you are talking about fetish behavior and objectification. In my experience no sex is worth unwanted company for any period of time. i have broken off with women I was having good sex with it's just not enough to sustain anything real. It gets stale without a connection on another level and the sex really the brain is by far the most important sex organ and the one that dictates gender identity not the penis ....i understand why you feel that way and understand how frustrating people like me that don't see it as a defect must be. Sorry :( I understand your pov but it doesnt make you less attractive to many people.

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Originally Posted by EvonRose

No or you don't want to put work in meaningful relationship...

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Don't turn a relationship into business, it will never work out. Love comes from the heart (I know it sounds cheesy) but business looks at things as a cold caluclated factor. If you love someone you will make it work. If it is business you will only work on as long as the person serves a purpose.

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Originally Posted by EvonRose

Please show a girl who wants to ever get caught up with a chaser? please do.

A girl to be with a chaser is just retarded... Why go trough all that, when you can be happier alone than with some guy who treats you like shit?

I have not treated anyone unjustly for me to be labeled a she male
A chaser on the other hand....

If your a proud chaser then good for you, But Not my cup of tea.

Chasers and ignorant tards label us she males... Never had I had a person with respect call me that man or woman.

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Just to understand then you don't bunch all men who find you attractive into the chasers who treat you like an object catagory right? If not i think you may of let the assholes of the world jade you to much.

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Originally Posted by bluesoul

unfortunately, that term (in reference to sex) is indicative of escort vocabulary- which is in conflict at some of the earlier statements about how they can put to rest their escorting persona and be regular civilians again.

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Yeah well they know who to feed that to and who not to.

To me paying for an escort is like saying "My bedroom skills are terrible." That's pretty much what an escort is telling you when they say their not getting anything out of the deal.

Last time I checked when two intimate people climax that's called "equal exchange". So who's losing out?

A men (not chasers) some of us need to reevaluate our self worth while they're putting price tags on there's.

I do alright.

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Originally Posted by EvonRose

Please show a girl who wants to ever get caught up with a chaser? please do.

A girl to be with a chaser is just retarded... Why go trough all that, when you can be happier alone than with some guy who treats you like shit?

I have not treated anyone unjustly for me to be labeled a she male
A chaser on the other hand....

If your a proud chaser then good for you, But Not my cup of tea.

Chasers and ignorant tards label us she males... Never had I had a person with respect call me that man or woman.

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To me, I don't care if a guy has been with 578 ts's or 0, as long as he treats me the way I expect to be treated. The problem is, all men "chasers" or not don't live up to those expectations.

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Originally Posted by Chase_Mcthirsty

Yeah well they know who to feed that to and who not to.

To me paying for an escort is like saying "My bedroom skills are terrible." That's pretty much what an escort is telling you when they say their not getting anything out of the deal.

Last time I checked when two intimate people climax that's called "equal exchange". So who's losing out?

A men (not chasers) some of us need to reevaluate our self worth while they're putting price tags on there's.

I do alright.

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Not necessary...

I have many clients who have excellent skills, just maybe us dating to get there may not be flexible due to age difference, or whatever reasons...

If I am going to date a man, I want him to be my ideal type. Some guys think they are god's gift to women, but it's just does not do anything for me. i have certain types I really go for.

Also as a dominatrix, its logical for a man to pay for that service because special requests are harder to get out of the business...

Is a chaser a guy only in it for the sex/dick???

No one to my knowledge has ever given an example of a 'chaser' that I can understand.
I feel like being sexually turned on by tgirls makes a man a CHASER.

Can someone give an example of 'chaser' behavior???

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Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel

Is a chaser a guy only in it for the sex/dick???

No one to my knowledge has ever given an example of a 'chaser' that I can understand.
I feel like being sexually turned on by tgirls makes a man a CHASER.

Can someone give an example of 'chaser' behavior???

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Exactly...

Or let's say for example i am in a relationship with a guy, one day i get my sex change then he leaves me, or he tries to not make me get it... That is a chaser too... Everything is dick motivated. But liking a ts does not make one a chaser.

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Originally Posted by EvonRose

No or you don't want to put work in meaningful relationship...

Fyi I dont date American men... Girl I suggest you date European(not from uk) men or asian Men. lol... jk.

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You've broken my heart, Evon. But seriously. I've had relationships with gg's, pre-op transexuals and post-op transexuals. And in every case the genitalia have been irrelevant. It's the person and their personality that attracts me. Sure, looks are the start, but they're not what keeps you there in the longer term. That comes down to personality, trust and affection.

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Originally Posted by EvonRose

No or you don't want to put work in meaningful relationship...

Fyi I dont date American men... Girl I suggest you date European(not from uk) men or asian Men. lol... jk.

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How meaningful can a relationship be when the tranny in question is willing to give herself to any random slob with enough $$$ to cover a half hour?

See things for what there are people, the "tranny chaser" label is just to counter the negativity that many tgirls resonate.

So call it what you want but chasers have sex with those that there "attracted to".

Escorts tend have sex with anything as long as the money's right. And in most cases bragging about "getting dough" when all else is failing is just another false security net.

And saying that I'm a "escort" because chaser's made me that way is absurd.

So why do chaser's have the bad rep in the equation again?

what? We are are capable of being in meaningful relationship, We don't ask every guy for money, we are are not working 24/7. That comment is a sexist.

Being a tranny chaser is negative for us, what dotn you get?

And ts want to be in a relationship we are attracted to. And rather not spend our time with a meaningless sex encounter.

You are highly delusion, and your living a movie. me and my friends would never discuss this matter it is personal.

No one is blaming chasers, we know the root, if this is your truth then you hang with too many crackhead trannies.

Your mindset is so stuck on us charging, we don't charge in our personal relationships, not like that.

Any sane girl would know balance, and personal space. Caution is a must, and a strong head on her shoulders.

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Originally Posted by robertlouis

You've broken my heart, Evon. But seriously. I've had relationships with gg's, pre-op transexuals and post-op transexuals. And in every case the genitalia have been irrelevant. It's the person and their personality that attracts me. Sure, looks are the start, but they're not what keeps you there in the longer term. That comes down to personality, trust and affection.

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Aww Robert you know i was joking... I was being sarcastic.

Great original post, thank you Kelly.

I find the Catch-22 to be too much trouble. I've met a couple of non-pro girls off dating sites and chatted with a few others online, they usually start off by being uninterested in me because I'm interested in them. There is this idea that they are going to be swept away by Prince Charming who doesn't know their status but who magically becomes okay with it.

Eventually, I just said 'whatever' and went on to other things.

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Originally Posted by Marie Thorne

The issue with chasers is that most trans women want to be treated and wanted as women, not as trans women. Why the hell would any want to be with someone who wants them for the part of them they're trying to fix / get past.

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Well since the trannies that you described don't walk around with a "I hate my dick" tatoo on their foreheads. Most men who are interested in women who aren't ashamed of their dicks don't have the luxury of weeding your type out.

Trust me "chasers" don't like to waste there time either so if there was a way of distinguishing the two, your issue with some guys would be a dead one.

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Originally Posted by EvonRose

Please show a girl who wants to ever get caught up with a chaser? please do.

A girl to be with a chaser is just retarded... Why go trough all that, when you can be happier alone than with some guy who treats you like shit?

I have not treated anyone unjustly for me to be labeled a she male
A chaser on the other hand....

If your a proud chaser then good for you, But Not my cup of tea.

Chasers and ignorant tards label us she males... Never had I had a person with respect call me that man or woman.

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You do a great job at grandstanding and demonizing "Chasers" but at the end of the day, you'd still sleep with one for the right price.

I have been with a lot of women which include ts women as well. To which many would consider me a womanizer or chaser. BUT, unlike you I still have standards with whom I'm willing to date or sleep with.

That being said why should any decent man take "you" seriously knowing you'd bed the very thing that you claim to hate?

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Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel

Is a chaser a guy only in it for the sex/dick???

No one to my knowledge has ever given an example of a 'chaser' that I can understand.
I feel like being sexually turned on by tgirls makes a man a CHASER.

Can someone give an example of 'chaser' behavior???

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Normally it's whomever said tranny is mad at, at that time.

It's nothing to be alarmed about since it's an abstract term just like "hater" meaning that is to the point where it's taken out of context and doesn't have any real value anymore.

So the real question is...would being called any type of name stop you from being you?

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Originally Posted by Chase_Mcthirsty

You do a great job at grandstanding and demonizing "Chasers" but at the end of the day, you'd still sleep with one for the right price.

I have been with a lot of women which include ts women as well. To which many would consider me a womanizer or chaser. BUT, unlike you I still have standards with whom I'm willing to date or sleep with.

That being said why should any decent man take "you" seriously knowing you'd bed the very thing that you claim to hate?

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how could you sit there any judge her...you dont know anything bout her life,her reasons for escorting,or her goals.
regardless of us being trans or escorts we are still HUMAN BEINGS.as human beings we all wanted to be loved,showed affection,cared about and etc...its not any different for us

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Originally Posted by Chase_Mcthirsty

You do a great job at grandstanding and demonizing "Chasers" but at the end of the day, you'd still sleep with one for the right price.

I have been with a lot of women which include ts women as well. To which many would consider me a womanizer or chaser. BUT, unlike you I still have standards with whom I'm willing to date or sleep with.

That being said why should any decent man take "you" seriously knowing you'd bed the very thing that you claim to hate?

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That's not a chaser, that's a client.
don't be an ignorant sexist, who view all ts women escorts... that's your problem not ours. How well do you know me to even assume I sleep, or escort or the purpose for? They gotta make a living, but clients got nothing to do with the men we date. At least with clients we gain something, chasers you don't gain anything at all. It is an empty, feeling, that has no substance...

The difference we already know a chaser's reason for being the way they are, and they are just using us, and that's why many women tend to rather charge to make up for something that could be meaningless, and instead gain financial income since nothing else will come of it.

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Originally Posted by EvonRose

That's not a chaser, that's a client.
don't be an ignorant sexist, who view all ts women escorts... that's your problem not ours. How well do you know me to even assume I sleep, or escort or the purpose for? They gotta make a living, but clients got nothing to do with the men we date. At least with clients we gain something, chasers you don't gain anything at all. It is an empty, feeling, that has no substance...

The difference we already know a chaser's reason for being the way they are, and they are just using us, and that's why many women tend to rather charge to make up for something that could be meaningless, and instead gain financial income since nothing else will come of it.

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Well, at least it's a form of backhanded equality, Evon, to the extent that too many of the guys here simply objectify transsexual women in the way that most men objectify all women. They don't consider that you have a life aside from escorting or porn and that you have personal aspirations way beyond that.

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Originally Posted by EvonRose

what? We are are capable of being in meaningful relationship, We don't ask every guy for money, we are are not working 24/7. That comment is a sexist.

Being a tranny chaser is negative for us, what dotn you get?

And ts want to be in a relationship we are attracted to. And rather not spend our time with a meaningless sex encounter.

You are highly delusion, and your living a movie. me and my friends would never discuss this matter it is personal.

No one is blaming chasers, we know the root, if this is your truth then you hang with too many crackhead trannies.

Your mindset is so stuck on us charging, we don't charge in our personal relationships, not like that.

Any sane girl would know balance, and personal space. Caution is a must, and a strong head on her shoulders.

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You started of this discussion as a cold calculating "business woman" who despises tranny chasers.

And now you crying foul because I haven't acknowledged your warm and fuzzy side?

But wait! Then you top if off by slowly converting this into an anti dick fetish campaign only to dismiss my take on the matter as being "sexist"???!

Wow I must say that you're a very interesting individual.

Same thing that's been discussed before many times on this board IMO.

For obvious reasons seeking a relationship with a working escort is probably not the best pursuit for a man so inclined.

Escorts all have a distorted view of men in general.

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Originally Posted by Chase_Mcthirsty

You started of this discussion as a cold calculating "business woman" who despises tranny chasers.

And now you crying foul because I haven't acknowledged your warm and fuzzy side?

But wait! Then you top if off by slowly converting this into an anti dick fetish campaign only to dismiss my take on the matter as being "sexist"???!

Wow I must say that you're a very interesting individual.

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Were you not the one who said it's our fault that we don't carry signs saying we don't like our dick? As if it's our fault for being born this way?

Or said we are incapable of a meaningful relationship because we are escorts? Just because it was our only financial stability?

It's safe to say your ignorant of our lifestyle and just an admirer who does not know squat, and a sexist at that! I mean the statements above are quite cold too, so why am I the cold one?

If you stick to the topic like all of us are doing the topic was the dislike of chaser, I gave the reasons. I am not going to respect a chaser who jacks off to tranny cock then comes on here and belittle ts women not his forum, or contact us, hit on us, talk to us with hidden agendas due to their sexual fantasy of cock, I refuse to be looked at as a disposable thing because they are ashamed of their sexuality. The only true victims here are the ts that fall for their scams...

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Originally Posted by EvonRose

Not necessary...

I have many clients who have excellent skills, just maybe us dating to get there may not be flexible due to age difference, or whatever reasons...

If I am going to date a man, I want him to be my ideal type. Some guys think they are god's gift to women, but it's just does not do anything for me. i have certain types I really go for.

Also as a dominatrix, its logical for a man to pay for that service because special requests are harder to get out of the business...

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yeah, I certainly have my days when that flavor feels right but it is all fetish and my experience not at all like a gfe. One thing I don't get is the whole sissification thing. i understand the connections between sharp pain and endorphins but to me wearing woman's clothes isnt a turn on but wouldn't be the act of humiliation some take it as. I'd just be bored and damn ugly .. to each there own though. Oh and you are clearly right I know my place i didn't know you had the single tail:Bowdown::hide-1:

for me personally its not about how many ts girls a guy has been with but how he treats them and how he views them as woman.my current boyfriend has dated ts girl almost exclusively since high school and was married to a ts previously.i dont hold that against him.i think its great.he has a better understanding of trans woman than most guys do.i dont have to deal with any of the insecurities and hang ups that comes with dating "straight" guys.
to me a chaser is a couple of things.its a guy who has no problem having sex with ts girls but wont date a ts woman for no other reason besides the fact that she is a ts (im not talking about legitimate reason such as she escorts and etc).ts women are good enough to sleep with but never to date.in essence treating us like sex toys and fantasies.which is fine.not every guy has what it takes to date a ts but please know your place.i cant tell you how many times my friends and i have been lead on by these types.if you know your not interested in dating transsexual why not just stick to being a client? that way no one gets hurt.
also while i have no problem with my penis and enjoy using it im still a woman.i have sooo many other sexual parts on my body that needs attention and care lol.if your just focusing on my cock and little else than your alittle chaser-ish to me

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Originally Posted by EvonRose

If you stick to the topic like all of us are doing the topic was the dislike of chaser, I gave the reasons. I am not going to respect a chaser who jacks off to tranny cock then comes on here and belittle ts women not his forum, or contact us, hit on us, talk to us with hidden agendas due to their sexual fantasy of cock, I refuse to be looked at as a disposable thing because they are ashamed of their sexuality. The only true victims here are the ts that fall for their scams...

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I think that's more than fair. If you put yourself in their shoes though ..wow what kind of emotional insecurity and self hate fuels that kind of cycle of attraction-self hatred- transferred anger. It's got to be a toxic way to live

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Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel

Same thing that's been discussed before many times on this board IMO.

For obvious reasons seeking a relationship with a working escort is probably not the best pursuit for a man so inclined.

Escorts all have a distorted view of men in general.

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it really depends on the girl...ive had some awful experiences with men personally but ive also had some really great ones so im not completely jaded just cautious.
a few of us have lives outside the industry that helps keep us a bit grounded

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Originally Posted by EvonRose

That's not a chaser, that's a client.
don't be an ignorant sexist, who view all ts women escorts... that's your problem not ours. How well do you know me to even assume I sleep, or escort or the purpose for? They gotta make a living, but clients got nothing to do with the men we date. At least with clients we gain something, chasers you don't gain anything at all. It is an empty, feeling, that has no substance...

The difference we already know a chaser's reason for being the way they are, and they are just using us, and that's why many women tend to rather charge to make up for something that could be meaningless, and instead gain financial income since nothing else will come of it.

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Huh...When backed into a corner, use misdirection ay?

You do this well but not good enough my dear.

I'm talking to you so unless your CEO of trannysRus or something don't take my words out of context.

It was a legitimate question was it not?

I guess you could flip flop and try to distinguish chasers from clients. But "warning" if your clients are all stand up guys. Then it bring us back to the question of why you'd charge them to begin with.

Keep in mind it was you who bought out the Tranny Chaser rant. So to call me "sexist" after demonizing a whole group of men you don't even know once the ball is back in your court is kind of a cop out.

But I wont dwell on it any further.

Good night Mrs.

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Originally Posted by amberskyi

for me personally its not about how many ts girls a guy has been with but how he treats them and how he views them as woman.my current boyfriend has dated ts girl almost exclusively since high school and was married to a ts previously.i dont hold that against him.i think its great.he has a better understanding of trans woman than most guys do.i dont have to deal with any of the insecurities and hang ups that comes with dating "straight" guys.
to me a chaser is a couple of things.its a guy who has no problem having sex with ts girls but wont date a ts woman for no other reason besides the fact that she is a ts (im not talking about legitimate reason such as she escorts and etc).ts women are good enough to sleep with but never to date.in essence treating us like sex toys and fantasies.which is fine.not every guy has what it takes to date a ts but please know your place.i cant tell you how many times my friends and i have been lead on by these types.if you know your not interested in dating transsexual why not just stick to being a client? that way no one gets hurt.
also while i have no problem with my penis and enjoy using it im still a woman.i have sooo many other sexual parts on my body that needs attention and care lol.if your just focusing on my cock and little else than your alittle chaser-ish to me

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i think thats pretty spot on :)

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Originally Posted by Chase_Mcthirsty

Huh...When backed into a corner, use misdirection ay?

You do this well but not good enough my dear.

I'm talking to you so unless your CEO of trannysRus or something don't take my words out of context.

It was a legitimate question was it not?

I guess you could flip flop and try to distinguish chasers from clients. But "warning" if your clients are all stand up guys. Then it bring us back to the question of why you'd charge them to begin with.

Keep in mind it was you who bought out the Tranny Chaser rant. So to call me "sexist" after demonizing a whole group of men you don't even know once the ball is back in your court is kind of a cop out.

But I wont dwell on it any further.

Good night Mrs.

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Well scroll down and read your own quotes...

I didn't bring up tranny chaser, It was a reply to the topic discussing about tranny chasers but Kelly... So what exactly is the problem? with most of the women actually agree with me on. i am just expressing what majority of women feel. Obviously, chaser like you have different views than ts women on the opposite end...

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Originally Posted by EvonRose

Were you not the one who said it's our fault that we don't carry signs saying we don't like our dick? As if it's our fault for being born this way?

Or said we are incapable of a meaningful relationship because we are escorts? Just because it was our only financial stability?

It's safe to say your ignorant of our lifestyle and just an admirer who does not know squat, and a sexist at that! I mean the statements above are quite cold too, so why am I the cold one?

If you stick to the topic like all of us are doing the topic was the dislike of chaser, I gave the reasons. I am not going to respect a chaser who jacks off to tranny cock then comes on here and belittle ts women not his forum, or contact us, hit on us, talk to us with hidden agendas due to their sexual fantasy of cock, I refuse to be looked at as a disposable thing because they are ashamed of their sexuality. The only true victims here are the ts that fall for their scams...

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I was being facetious and you know it.

And now you're going all over the place with this but I'll throw in the towel for now because this is going nowhere beyond conjecture and frustration.

Here's some food for thought though...

If tranny chaser's, fetishes and fantasies leave that bitter a taste in your mouth (no pun intended) wouldn't being a librarian be wiser career move???

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Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel

Same thing that's been discussed before many times on this board IMO.

For obvious reasons seeking a relationship with a working escort is probably not the best pursuit for a man so inclined.

Escorts all have a distorted view of men in general.

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Hey now that's "sexist" talk! You've been warned LMAO!

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Originally Posted by EvonRose

Well scroll down and read your own quotes...

I didn't bring up tranny chaser, It was a reply to the topic discussing about tranny chasers but Kelly... So what exactly is the problem? with most of the women actually agree with me on. i am just expressing what majority of women feel. Obviously, chaser like you have different views than ts women on the opposite end...

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Wait!

So all women feel that they should charge guys for sex on the first date if they're pressed for sex?

Hmm maybe you should re-read what you've posted to see who quickly this went from "you" for yourself to you calling on the entire Tranny Universe to help pull your foot out of you mouth.

This isn't about other Tgirls even other escorts since many conduct themselves differently. I was questioning you based on what you posted.

So how does that constitute as being sexist???

Don't ans. that....this whole conversation has become counterproductive. Beside those who are open-minded and hold no bias should be able to see the big picture.

As for me, I say to hell with labels.

I'm witty, handsome, and charming, you would think life is a picnic for me. A beam under my house cracked it's going to cost 9 grand to fix it. I pay it because I have to pay it. That's life. This week.
But if you girls all agree you're these tragic women trapped in men's bodies I don't understand why you don't just spend the damn money on your damn LIFE and get the operation? I'm not so sure you don't kind of like the high drama that comes with being a TS.

I could relate and agree with Evon and other girls here ;)

I also dont have problems dating guys who dated many TS girls before. The problem I have with them is how they treat me.

I can't relate at all...

Just sounds like bitterness to me

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Originally Posted by KellyShore

I can't relate at all...

Just sounds like bitterness to me

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agreed

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Originally Posted by KellyShore

I can't relate at all...

Just sounds like bitterness to me

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People's views are simply the product of their experiences. Some people are very lucky in love, and some people never get a break. Don't be surprised if someone who can never get a break is a bit bitter.

Wow, what a read... I just read the 16 pages of comments so I didn't reply without hearing what was already said. This topic could be taken in so many directions and angles. I think many people have hit a great deal of quality points in this post. Kelly has set a spark that is turning into a forest fire!

Relationships are difficult, people are guarded, and labels change the dynamic of conversations. Using words like tranny chaser or shemale to describe someone you just started talking to steers the conversation into a new direction. If you want to impress or come off in a good light, words should be considered before said.

To prevent this post from being too long (if it isn't already) I will focus on my own experiences. I have been asked if I dated or was with a tgirl within the first hour of meeting which put me in a defensive mindset. I also think its odd to talk to a GG about past GG relationships on the first date as well. Talking about past relationships in hopes to start a new one is a poor model to follow in my eyes.

Trying to date any certain "type" really limits finding the right person. Every type of person has their own baggage, not all the same but in my experience there is cross over. Only trying to date a tg limits the dating pool, and may start a relationship for the wrong reason. Tg's that escort have approached sex as a transaction and are a product of their experiences. As well are the guys who have interacted with Tg's, both who are and arent escorts.

I have meet great people and not so great people in every form, each with their own quirks and subtleties. I feel everyone should just try to trust and be open without being naive; I know... easier said then done.

you beat me to the chase, well said!

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Originally Posted by hefzfavebunii

People's views are simply the product of their experiences. Some people are very lucky in love, and some people never get a break. Don't be surprised if someone who can never get a break is a bit bitter.

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Btw, chasers LOVE to debate with transsexuals about why they shouldn't pay and about whether or not they're chasers. Chasers are proud to be chasers around other guys if they know the guys are into transsexuals, but play innocent around transsexuals themselves. They try to shame transsexuals for even charging at all. And they are the first guys to lie to GGs that they fuck transsexuals at all. Chasers are basically hardcore liars. They're manipulative. They're often trying to outwit transsexuals to boost their own egos. They're basically narcissists.