obviously you didnt see who i was responding tooQuote:
Originally Posted by SEXY TS JESS
i dont have to keep anything cute but myself
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obviously you didnt see who i was responding tooQuote:
Originally Posted by SEXY TS JESS
i dont have to keep anything cute but myself
that i live my life as a woman despite what you think.......Quote:
Originally Posted by SEXY TS JESS
alll of that is still subjective and will always and forever be a "trending topic" ... What "woman" who is in the wrong body wants to be reminded of who/what she used to look like? Dont get me wrong ill always remember my past and where i came from.. But please explain that to me. Cuz in my head it pieces does not add up.Quote:
Originally Posted by tsjizelle
ohh ok. I thought you were trying to showcase something else. My bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by amberskyi
yes i think i did see... And it was my post.. Correct me if im wrong please.Quote:
Originally Posted by amberskyi
umm there are plenty of top name girls who started in porn before they had surgeries, before they look the way they do now and it still showcases their transition as well. this is one of the many ways girls have built strong and loyal followings. for some people, witnessing the transition is a turn on and can be seen as a beautiful and rare process to find physical proof of. so once again, good on the girls who aren't afraid to show themselves early in transition.Quote:
Originally Posted by SEXY TS JESS
so to say what "woman" who is in the wrong body wants to be reminded of who/what she used to look like isn't valid because as I pointed out above, there are plenty of known girls who do and there's nothing wrong with that.
it may not add up to you, but it does to others. I just think it's low to make fun of a girl because she appears boyish or in early transition.
smh @ make fun of a girl early in transition..Quote:
Originally Posted by tsjizelle
No i dont do that. But as far as the "gay mens" that i know of that till this day does porn and escort, who get "in drag" strictly for "work/porn" shoots. Its repulsive to me.
Im not referrring to gurls in transition. The men in wig and or hot messy azz ...again men in wigs.
But your logic on men who like to see that and admiring that is stupid in my ownnnnn opinion. Its sick. In my eyes. Sorry if that makes me look or sound bad. But it is what it is. Even in my personal life. I would not dare walk into a family members house and see an "old" pic for every 1 to see. Some things are just private. Again in myyyyyyyy own opinion. Not like i had pics as such i transition at 15 and was on hormones since 13.. So i waited a good 2 years befor trying to "live like a woman" every 1 is different. But if i see some men in wigs.. Imma call it out. Sorry maybe im tooo blunt.
no it wasnt...freedie gomez originally posted the picture of the young lady.Quote:
Originally Posted by SEXY TS JESS
i think there is enough wrong with the trans community that we dont need to tear each other down.instead of reading these girls how about standing up for them.at the end of the day we are all the same.we all have or had dicks.
smh @ the fact that you don't remember what you have said about the photos that were posted. you made a generalized assumption on the girls based upon the way they looked that they threw their wig out in the trash and lived their life as a gay man who wouldn't have people close to them see their porn because they would go look in the gay section with their partner. I mean if that's not insulting a bunch of girls that you have no proof to show this is the case towards, then what is it? even though you did say it wasn't meant as an insult, but you are generalizing against a bunch of girls because of some not normal circumstances you personally know about. how about instead of knocking the girls that were shown, you call out the people that you have proof that actually do what you are accusing the girls of?Quote:
Originally Posted by SEXY TS JESS
As amberski said, why are we reading these girls? and in fact she said she even knew that one of the girls who were generalized in the above assumption actually lives full time as a woman....
I'm not saying there aren't people out there who have done what we are talking about, but just because someone looks "too manly" or "early transition" doesn't mean that they "throw the wig out" after the shoot.
and is an insult to those who actually live their life fulltime
Everyone has good points in this thread IMO.
However, we have to keep it REAL.
There are hustlers who glam up and put on a wig to get paid a few c-notes to perpetrate like a TS. Maybe some early transitioning girls really do photoshoots, but some, I'm sorry, come out the box like DUDES in a wig and bad makeup who forgot to shave.
Jess isn't stupid and she isn't making stuff up.
As a consumer on BTG every once in a while that 6th sense gets tripped that you're looking at pics of a gay boi who's capitalizing off the easy coin in playing some horny dumb str8 man's tgirl fantasy.
Is it Seanchai's responsibility to put every 'girl' through a thorough background check before a shoot?? Hell no.
There's a line a friend of mine uses in the clubs when he's macking; ' if a female is going to be dumb enough to ask, I'm going to be smart enough to lie.'
This goes on EVERYWHERE. Even on BTG.
I'm sure there are girls Seanchai chooses not to shoot, but I've always felt some TS shouldn't be propositioned to do photos and porn too early in their transition because they aren't THERE yet.
i am sure when a photoshoot is commissioned, it is based on model submitted photos that are carefully chosen and at times both the photographer and steven are upset at the final product after the shoot is arranged and completed. it has to happen that they felt that had porno gold only to be disappointed.Quote:
Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel
that said...i think that there is a group of porn lovers that these harder models, i.e. early transition or fag in a dress models (whatever connotation you want to use) actually appeal to. If that were not the case, producers would see it reflected in their rebills and bottom lines and it would change.
My point is, for everyone that likes Nody Nadia for example, there is someone else that wants to see wesley snipes in a dress.
I've already stated this is the case, we get as many photos off them as we can and I personally make the call on who to shoot and whom not to. Often we've killed shoots or turned models away when they arrive but that's a hard thing to do and the negativity that can come from it, can often be worse than just biting the shoot.Quote:
Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel
I get between 5-10 applicants a day to model. About 40% are worth shooting and about half of them get to a final shoot. All applicants get an answer on why we'd be unable to use them and a point in the right direction if appropriate.
Has their been gay men in wigs on the site? I'm sure of it. There has also been fabulous transsexuals who've de-transitioned, true intersexed, post-ops, girls early in transition or wanting to go fulltime but because of their current situation aren't yet able to.
I think anybody on a board such as this, picking at a model because she's maybe not to their full potential yet, should fuck off elsewhere.
sorry.. Insult or not. If thats what they look like at the time or moment. So be it. A spade is a spade. I have been called worse in "early" transition... People need to stop throwing on wigs early hoping into a social www porn blogs, sites for the world and not be able to take the heat.... Sorry but im not a fan of that. Get on ya moans hibernate like the rest of the gurls who then come out the cacoons lookin like "girls next door" so big deal. Every "man" cant be a woman... They can try... Some are blessed more some are less advanced. Im not judging im not gloater. I call it like i see it.. Just like if u posted those pics on straight websites or forums or even a blog. The "regular" normal hetero society would annihilate some of the people i mention. So dont sit here and make it seem like im wrong for "insulting" which is clearly only an opinion and a truthful one at that.Quote:
Originally Posted by tsjizelle
i find it odd how people don't like to be criticized for their opinions but then don't like to hear people's opinions either.Quote:
Originally Posted by SEXY TS JESS
If some dude got on here and criticized your look...what would you do?
I just find it odd that people like Jess constantly NEED to express their opinions on others looks and who or who shouldn't post their photos. Also her comment "every man cannot be a woman" ... why?Quote:
Originally Posted by RallyCola
I also question why she's even on this board.
"Also her comment "every man cannot be a woman" ... why?"
OMG Seanchi are you kiddin me? Dude..if you think EVERY man can be a woman then that is exactly why we are having this discussion..it's reflected and obvious in your site
this!Quote:
Originally Posted by RallyCola
personally I just think that hearing it from a "fan" or "porn consumer" isn't as offensive to hear from as it is from another ts. simply because it's coming from someone who essentially lives out the same life as the person in question. like why would you want to analyze another ts unless you're scoping out competition? that's the only time I would ever even see a legit reason to why we read eachother.
Most girls comments on other ts and their position in their transition always root from a place of ego, fear and insecurity. most people, as per their nature, will put down and quickly "call a spade a spade" for things that trigger any of the above 3. it's understandable, but not an excuse just because you see it and have delt with the same spades yourself. it's sickening to be honest to see the lack of unity we have amongst each other as ts women. perhaps i'm looking way too into this, but I'll call a spade a spade as well! and comments coming from other ts like Jess has done, only perpetuates the struggles and challenges that ts women face, and then undermines the effort gone into changing and overcoming them. especially for her to say that if you put it out then you need to handle the feedback, yet where have you been published?
I hope you don't take what I"m saying as me trying to negatively come against you. I think you're a beautiful woman, I honestly don't know you personally and I am sure you're a great person, with lots of loving people in your life who value you. So I hope you don't think I'm tryin to start some type of rivalry or anything. I just think it's silly for someone to come on, who has no relevance to the industry to quickly put down and belittle the girls who do for the way they look.
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Originally Posted by rallycola
thats fine.. Several always talk about it as well... And so does my pm inbox...
But if they decide to talk about my looks.. So the freak what! Ohh well.. I could care lessssss.... Its only an opinion.
Every person who is transgendered CAN be a woman. Whether they are passable, feminine or attractive isn't the question.Quote:
Originally Posted by tsdvdman
It's two very different topics.
exact reason why i have not did porn or decided to not let something as such.. My privates to me is my personal business... As a big dyk asian & blk exotic ts at 5'2 and 125lbs... That is something you must pay to see in person. Thats how i have always felt ma ma... Not for the world to see. And in my personal life. I cannot allow it to hinder that. Escorting? Sure i can take my ads down.... And now being internationally known its easier for me to cross markets. I have made a name in the escort business yes. So there is no neeeeeeed for me to be published. I have had many modeling sucess outside of escorting. So thats neither here nor there. I dont take anything your saying offensive. My skin is to tough for that lol. Perhaps i should have said that the companies need to really have a set standard of at least progress in which ones start doing porn. Cuz if thats the case this does not just need to be shemales.. It needs to be called transgays... !!Quote:
Originally Posted by tsjizelle
no one said she was stupid, but she doesn't know the complete facts about things.Quote:
Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel
let's take for example the pay rate, which we have clarified for being above 500. also how porn companies are making millions/billions (which one is it?) and how they should up the pay for the girls...
we all want more money, but there are many who don't know how much money is invested in post production as well. the rates are the standard rate across the board for every company in this genre PERIOD! so it has no affect on whether the girl has been around for years or not. it's the same rate.
plus for girls to complain that it's too little pay who escort, this is going off of rates for CAnadian girls btw. A top ts escort makes 500/hour on avg. Now what happens in that hour is entirely between them and the client. Now let's take what the top rate was 5 years ago for a photoshoot which was 500. an avg shoot takes just over an hour (1h15/30 tops) and requires nude posing and masterbating with a cumshot. So for what could be considerably much less work, for roughly the same amount time and around the same amount of money, how is what you do currently any more or less than what girls do for "too little money" lol again this is just going off what I see on the escort pages here in Canada. obviously some girls get considerably more than that, as Jess said she makes it in 15mins, but dont' hate on girls for doing their own thing.
my fukin hero !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know im not crazy !! .... I know people and have photos with these same boys.. That post on the same sites as i.. That are on the same porn as the rest.. That are online with google chrome as ts wonder blah blah... But on safari as mascthug6969 so dont come at me like im talking non sense. Im saying yall need to step yall media up. If she has to look at least womanly sure.. But some of those pics are just unacceptable. In my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel
you make sense..Quote:
Originally Posted by tsjizelle
But no one wants to agree with about the "gay for ts pay" im saying does not exsist...
Oh I agree it exists.....as Seanchai even said we've had very fem popular models detransition as well. so just because they appear more or less fem than another, doesn't mean she's any more likely a woman in their real life. and as Rally has mentioned, regardless if the mass finds it appealing or not, there is a market for consumers to want to see girls in early transition. some of my older work is the highest rated and most popular on Shemaleyum, yet I've filled out and look way more feminine now than I did then. just goes back to personal taste. Most of my following has stayed so loyal to me because they have seen me transition over the last 3 years. It gave them a sense of being there to witness the process in those 3 years, and making them feel like they know me a bit more. and the process is still continuing and my fan base is only growing because of it
AND YOU DONT THINK I AS AN "ESCORT" SHOWCASED THAT TRANSITION THROUGH MY PHOTO SHOOTS? I DONT THINK I HAD TO SHOW "TITS N COCK" TO ACHIEVE THE SAME THING...Quote:
Originally Posted by TsJizelle
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I am not undermining anything you do or have done period. those words never came out of my mouth. neither do I look down on escorts, or see the processes involved with it as anything less or more than those who do porn.
what I am saying is that there are benefits and negatives for girls who show themselves in early transition. but you were the one who said, what "woman" would want to do that? I was simply trying to show you how I've reaped benefits from it. just like I am sure you have too from you trying to use the above photos as an example.
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Originally Posted by tsdvdman
agreed !! I wont say his name no longer in my post or even respond to him... But people like that blurrrrrrrrrrrrrr the lines of tv to ts... There is a distinct line. Dont believe me.. Google the definitions.
How about you get the definition of either "shemale" or "tgirl" - dimwit?Quote:
Originally Posted by SEXY TS JESS
in fact, there is no distinct line at all. too many people, clinical and lay...porn producer and consumer...male and female...have a varying and deeply personal scale of what different iterations of transgendered people should be called.Quote:
Originally Posted by SEXY TS JESS
you might find 50% of the people on this site to agree with your definitions, but that doesn't mean the definitions are distinct.
the only distinct lines are really....
- do you dress in the apparel and act opposite to your birth gender for sexual gratification only?
- have you FULLY transitioned away from your birth gender and had GRS?
everything else in between is kinda fuzzy depending on your point of view.
I just have to say Sheeba is my GIRL! I fucking love seeing pics of her! LOL And I love hanging out with her! But anyways on other subject, I do know guys have done modeling in trans world to make money but I dont get it? Because the gay market pays a gay male performer a lot more then us ladies! I would think u would jump in your own waters! But I know a lot of girls pose early in their transition, I dont know why girls do this at all. I have a few friends who have posed for Yum early in their transition and years later regret it. And Seanchi has been great to those girls when they asked for the pics to be removed from site he has. I just think girls should take time and find out who they are before making the decision to go in front of camera and pose nude. Now that is my opinion and I have said that for many years. This industry can be a cruel one from Producers to Fans of it. So you have to have a very thick skin to make it through this! Trust me I KNOW! I prob have heard no more so than any other girl in this business and I am still doing my thing. But I am older and comfortable with my body and who I am.
u have a good point lol <smiles>Quote:
Originally Posted by rallycola
trans·ves·tite [trans-ves-tahyt, tranz-] Show IPA
noun
a person, especially a male, who assumes the dress and manner usually associated with the opposite sex.
transsexual or transexual (trænzˈsɛksjʊəl)
— n
1. a person who permanently acts the part of and completely identifies with the opposite sex
2. a person who has undergone medical and surgical procedures to alter external sexual characteristics to those of the opposite sex
Shemale (also she-male) is a term used primarily (but not exclusively) in sex work to describe trans women with male genitalia and augmented female breasts from breast augmentation and/or use of hormones.
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Originally Posted by SEXY TS JESS
but who are you to decide who falls in what category....this isnt something you can tell just by looking at someones picture.
it isnt based on physical looks but on feelings,thought and intentions.
so what if a model just started taking premarin pills 2 days before a photoshoot was commissioned for BTG. That's technically a transsexual by applying your definition.Quote:
Originally Posted by SEXY TS JESS
the reason even your definitions are not definite is simple...who decides how much medical and surgical procedures are necessary to be considered a transsexual....a word that itself is complete clinical bullshit.
your definitions are purely superficial based on external features only.
Transgendered = 24/7, all day, every day.
TV/DQ = kick it like a 'girl' when it's convenient.
i would be more willing to accept these loose definitions than's jess's simply because they are simple enough NOT to make assumptions about looks and are somewhat encompassing of lifestyle.Quote:
Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel
i however do not equate drag queen with TV. they can be the same person...but drag queens are entertainers who may or may not be transgendered in any other way.
The Elitist attitude is very sad to see, truth is, people (myself included, I say very hateful things out of anger) need to be supportive, and understanding.
girl arent you post-op now??? what you talking about a dick for?!?!?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by SEXY TS JESS
No. never.Quote:
Originally Posted by amberskyi
She is the type of tranny only dude's who like big dicks like regardless of femininity/passability.
Not my style.
how can you sit there an tell me whats shes about?! do you know her personally...she may not be the most passable or what you find attractive but it doesnt make her any less of a ts woman.Quote:
Originally Posted by FreddieGomez
your not what i find personally attractive or have any of the traits i want in a man but does that make you any less of one