17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?

You thought wrong...again. It's been dryer than a popcorn fart in Central Florida.

Hell, I'd wear a Malcolm X t-shirt if I had one. That's a hell of a lot better than a Winnie Mandela shirt. OOOoops. You are too young and naive to know who she was.

Here's a good Winnie story: While visiting the United Kingdom, Winnie Mandela was invited to a cocktail party which was also to be attended by Margaret Thatcher.

When Winnie saw the ex-prime minister on the other side of the room, she barged past everyone, spilling the drinks of several invited guests on the way.

Winnie elbowed her way to Maggie, stood brazenly in front of her and declared,

"I hear they call you the Iron Lady!"

"I have been referred to by that name, yes," replied Maggie, peering down her nose at this impudent upstart.

"And whom, may I enquire, do I have the honour of addressing?" asked Maggie icily.

"I am the iron lady of South Africa!" bragged Winnie, waving her fist in the air.

"Oh, yes," replied Maggie dryly. "And for whom do you iron?"

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You thought wrong...again. It's been dryer than a popcorn fart in Central Florida.

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Zimmerman says it's raining in the 911 call.

Zimmerman also seems to whisper "fucking coons" during the call, but it's hard to be certain.

Clearly, nothing racial here. Move along.

As with so many/too many of these incidents, the details are contested so that its hard to know exactly what happened, vide:

It was raining...it was not raining
Zimmerman was a neighbourhood watch captain...Zimmerman was not a neighbourhood watch captain
Zimmerman was attacked by Trayvon...Zimmerman was not attacked by Trayvon
The incident happened in a gated community...Trayvon was shot outside the gated community

What we do know is that an unarmed teenager was shot dead; that the law in Florida allows anyone with a gun "to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force".

The FBI are now investigating this incident.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...tigation-opens

Trayvon was talking to a 16 year old female friend just before he was killed.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-mar...7#.T2iYNNWjOSo

rally in ny today at union square

smh
http://www.theoaklandpress.com/artic...5219277908.txt

Here's what I don't understand, and maybe somebody has already raised this, but...

do Floridians who pack heat know the "stand your ground" law? Are they ready to shoot first and ask questions later because they know they'll beat any murder rap? If so, that's cold. Did Zimmerman know the law? Is it common knowledge amongst most gun enthusiasts in Florida and other states where it's been enacted.

I confess, I don't know crap about guns. 35 years ago, in HS, I would go out grouse hunting with a .410 gauge shotgun and friends. That's the extent of my knowledge.

Didn't take long to turn this into a real HA shit fest complete with amateur psychologists and wanna bee police investigators.. Remember when that French dude ( head of the World Bank) "raped " that black hotel chamber maid in Manhattan and they made him do the perp walk????? Go back and read that thread and some of the same people who wanted him castrated are playin' the judge and jury thing here again. Did you fuckers suck it up and say you were wrong about the Frenchman after the Manhattan DA dismissed the charges because she was lying? ? Sure you did. You think the cops and the FBI have released all the details? Hardly.
We have a seemingly good young kid dead............brutally tragic under any circumstances. We have some details that have been released.....and it appears "on the surface" to be something troubling , but I'd advise y'all keep that hanging rope put away for the time being. If any of you have ever felt the grip of a set of cuffs.....you know you're glad you live in a country where the presumption of innocence is a hallmark. And lest you think haters don't come in all colors......check this out. I wonder if this made the news over in the UK ? POLICE: Black teenagers light 13-year-old on fire; 'You get what you deserve, white boy' - YouTube

THIS !!! Black on white crime is rarely reported, much less sensationalized. When are you leftist idiots gonna admit that truth? http://www.newnation.org/NNN-Black-on-White.html

How many of you hiders have been molested, ripped off, or otherwise totally let down by black "friends"?

It's time you started blaming the Dutch, Portuguese,Africans, British, French, Spanish, and the other nations who were a hell of a lot more responsible for the injustices 300 years ago.

Not sure what my position was on the Dominc Strauss/hotel maid thread. I might not have participated at all. I generally do withhold judgment on these criminal type of cases, but I'm human and sometimes I find myself taking a shortcut. On this case, as I state above, I'm more interested in how people... victims, defendants, bystanders, judges, etc., are interpreting the law. I haven't read this entire thread but "shitfest" seems a little bit of an overstatement. As in all of these threads, there are people who come blazing forward from opposite extremes, but much of the dialogue seems pretty reasonable. If I filter out the extreme viewpoints I can sometimes learn something, especially from people overseas who can be more objective or at least come at it from a different perspective.

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Zimmerman says it's raining in the 911 call.

Zimmerman also seems to whisper "fucking coons" during the call, but it's hard to be certain.

Clearly, nothing racial here. Move along.

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It's hard to be certain.........but apparently not for you. LMFAO....Why don't you contact the DA or the FBI....apparently you're armed with some very sensitive voice monitoring equipment, and if that's not enough, you're well equipped with a healthy dose of skepticism turned judgement. What you've stated here would certainly disqualify you from being an impartial arbiter of the facts...aka Jury Duty...Look...a young kid is dead, and his family grieves, so I'm not making light this, but it sounds based on what you've stated, you have the Tawana Brawley disease.
I haven't a clue if Zimmerman is a bigot...........nor do you, it may go to motive or intent if there's a murder of manslaughter charge, but that in and of itself isn't a crime otherwise a good percentage of folks on here would be in trouble !
Slow down...wait for the facts...... but nothing new for you so I'm moving along. lol

On further thought, I don't think the Dominic Strauss situation is all that apt of parallel here. A far better one is Bernard Getz on the subway in NYC, and I think a person would find a much broader and varied point of view when polling people about the Getz situation compared with this Trayvon killing. On the subway, in NYC, the situation differed because there appeared to be little chance for Getz to flea the dangerous circumstance. Furthermore, he was surrounded by multiple individuals who seemed to want to do him harm. I wasn't part of the jury and didn't hear or read all the evidence, so I can't say for sure I would find Getz not guilty, but just based on the reports I did see, it seemed like a reasonable verdict. And I'm guessing at least some of the people here who are inflamed about the Trayvon killing probably view the Getz self-defense non guilty verdict, also reasonable.

So what I'm saying is that painting certain participants of this thread with the same brush, i.e. knee jerk liberal - or siding with the minority - or what have you, is probably not the most enlightened argument to make. Different circumstances will often produce different opinions for many people.

The License to Kill in Florida:

http://tomhayden.com/home/the-licens...n-florida.html

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As with so many/too many of these incidents, the details are contested so that its hard to know exactly what happened, vide:

It was raining...it was not raining
Zimmerman was a neighbourhood watch captain...Zimmerman was not a neighbourhood watch captain
Zimmerman was attacked by Trayvon...Zimmerman was not attacked by Trayvon
The incident happened in a gated community...Trayvon was shot outside the gated community

What we do know is that an unarmed teenager was shot dead; that the law in Florida allows anyone with a gun "to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force".

The FBI are now investigating this incident.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...tigation-opens

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The stand your ground law is not as cut and dry as it seems. I know personally. And the whole city of Sanford is corrupt. From the administration to the police.

The story does not make sense from what Zimmerman said. And I think that because his family and others are on record claiming he is a Latino, it actually brings more attention to the BS system in place there. I hope that something is done about the whole system of incompetence in Sanford...

This happened a couple of weeks ago. Why didn't this get much attention?

Teens set kid on fire for being white.

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This happened a couple of weeks ago. Why didn't this get much attention?

Teens set kid on fire for being white.

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If cops had arrived at the scene just after the two black teens set the kid on fire.And the the two black teens claimed they set the kid on fire in self defence & the cops let them go home.Then you might have a point.

Turns out Zimmerman went to the same High School as the brother who I described in another thread as attacking me for jogging while white. I had a gun in my house and the black kids broke in and stole it. I'm not making this up. Stupidity comes in all sizes and all colors.

It' s easy to see why a 17 year old black kid in a hoodie, eating skittles and talking on the phone to his girlfriend might be threatening to a would be neighborhood guardian sporting a sidearm who' s a foot taller than the kid. Zimmerman was probably trembling with fear for his life; indeed that' s his defense if he' s going to invoke the "stand your ground" law.

Of course no black kid should be wearing a hoodie and walking alone in a gated neighborhood right? He got what' s coming!

Every women in world fears for her life when she walks down a street at night or into the parking garage from her workplace. She fears when she see a strange man walking toward her or hears footsteps from behind. So from here on out all men, of any color, who live in "stand your ground" states... Be On Notice. You might get yourself shot if you walk the streets at night. It's best you just stay home. If you must go out, try not to look suspicious. Don' t walk behind a woman. Don' t walk toward a women. 'Cause we can now shoot you and walk away with impunity; all we have to say is, "I feared for my life."

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On further thought, I don't think the Dominic Strauss situation is all that apt of parallel here. A far better one is Bernard Getz on the subway in NYC, and I think a person would find a much broader and varied point of view when polling people about the Getz situation compared with this Trayvon killing. On the subway, in NYC, the situation differed because there appeared to be little chance for Getz to flea the dangerous circumstance. Furthermore, he was surrounded by multiple individuals who seemed to want to do him harm. I wasn't part of the jury and didn't hear or read all the evidence, so I can't say for sure I would find Getz not guilty, but just based on the reports I did see, it seemed like a reasonable verdict. And I'm guessing at least some of the people here who are inflamed about the Trayvon killing probably view the Getz self-defense non guilty verdict, also reasonable.

So what I'm saying is that painting certain participants of this thread with the same brush, i.e. knee jerk liberal - or siding with the minority - or what have you, is probably not the most enlightened argument to make. Different circumstances will often produce different opinions for many people.

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My intent on injecting DSK was not to compare the merits of his case with this case, or the particular circumstances. It was to shine a light on what can happen when there's a rush to judgement, but that's what we do as a society, and that's what the media feeds us so it's not about to change anytime soon. We want an investigation, a trial and a hanging in one news cycle. We all bring our life's experiences and preconceived notions to the table....black and white.... but when they run headlong into the facts....it's not pretty. For example...I hear some "spokesman" for the family calling for Zimmerman's arrest...shouldn't they be instead calling for a full, fair, and thorough investigation instead? Maybe the presumption of innocence got left along the road in this case...we'll see. They'll be plenty of time to arrest, try, and incarcerate Zimmerman if the circumstances are as some seem to feel.

there's little doubt that race is a primary factor in the way "suspicious" behavoir is treated by LE, and those who think they're LE

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/sho...ighlight=frisk

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My intent on injecting DSK was not to compare the merits of his case with this case, or the particular circumstances. It was to shine a light on what can happen when there's a rush to judgement, but that's what we do as a society, and that's what the media feeds us so it's not about to change anytime soon. We want an investigation, a trial and a hanging in one news cycle. We all bring our life's experiences and preconceived notions to the table....black and white.... but when they run headlong into the facts....it's not pretty. For example...I hear some "spokesman" for the family calling for Zimmerman's arrest...shouldn't they be instead calling for a full, fair, and thorough investigation instead? Maybe the presumption of innocence got left along the road in this case...we'll see.

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What were you in prison for? What prison was it? Did you get along with the black dudes much?

I predict a big check for the victim's family in the future, similar to this story
Yoshihiro Hattori - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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What were you in prison for? What prison was it? Did you get along with the black dudes much?

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Oh shit.............

Any time you shoot a stranger dead, a stranger that YOU followed in your car before provoking a confrontation, let's just say that where I live you'd be arrested until your guilt or innocence was decided by an immediate investigation.

Police typically don't investigate murders while the known assailant is still walking the streets free.

Can you imagine a Black guy 'patrolling' the streets of his neighborhood with a loaded 9 mm, stalking and confronting a White teenager because he 'looks' like a skinhead, shooting him dead and then claiming self-defense because the teenager fought back??

For the racially challenged, sometimes it helps to flip these scenarios to understand how outrageous it is that Zimmerman isn't in jail in lieu of a trial.

There aren't always two sides to every story.
It's just one side, the right one.

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Can you imagine a Black guy 'patrolling' the streets of his neighborhood with a loaded 9 mm, stalking and confronting a White teenager because he 'looks' like a skinhead, shooting him dead and then claiming self-defense because the teenager fought back??

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... or if he looked like a roadie for ZZ Top? ;-) lol

There is not a single piece of evidence to support the perpetatrator's claim of self defense. At the minimum, a first year law student could write a slam dunk indictment for involuntary manslaughter. There's motive (hate crime) and perp has admitted to causing the boy's death.
So why no charge and no arrest yet, given the incident happened last month?

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What were you in prison for? What prison was it? Did you get along with the black dudes much?

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LMFAO...Put it this way Leona, you would have never survived in the places I've been. I don't take your question as a serious one, but rather an attempt at an insult, but I'll take the high road....you reamin on the low...you're much more comfortable there. I told you once before.....in the military I had black dudes who would take a bullet for me, and me for them. That's a level of respect you'll never be able to grasp . You learn set race aside under the circumstances or you don't survive. When your only interaction with people of different races is spreading your ass cheeks...and then telling us how multi cultural and tolerant you are....it comes off as kinda foolish. And aren't you the one who told us you'd fuck black dudes ( aka take their coin) but never date them. Makes perfect sense to me ....LMAO When you think about it you're really not in a position to judge anyone now are you?

If somebody did that to one of my family members and got away with it, id kill them, period.

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Any time you shoot a stranger dead, a stranger that YOU followed in your car before provoking a confrontation, let's just say that where I live you'd be arrested until your guilt or innocence was decided by an immediate investigation.

Police typically don't investigate murders while the known assailant is still walking the streets free.

Can you imagine a Black guy 'patrolling' the streets of his neighborhood with a loaded 9 mm, stalking and confronting a White teenager because he 'looks' like a skinhead, shooting him dead and then claiming self-defense because the teenager fought back??

For the racially challenged, sometimes it helps to flip these scenarios to understand how outrageous it is that Zimmerman isn't in jail in lieu of a trial.

There aren't always two sides to every story.
It's just one side, the right one.

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I can imagine lots of things . I can imagine some lacrosse players being vilified for weeks as rich white punks praying on a poor black chic.


Certain stories of race crimes ( or perceived race crimes) seem to ignite passion...when others don't. The white kid set afire because he was white doesn't seem get any traction despite how heinous it was... Let's face it...black on white crime, and black on black crime is so common, it's hardly newsworthy. We know what we know about this case from the media...yea the same media who convicted the Duke dudes. This unfortunately has now become a circus and when the race pimps jump in with both feet.....many white folks start to become a little more suspicious, and with good reason. I do find it ironic that blacks who many times the victims of shoddy police work, and premature arrests are now screaming for the same. Everyone's going to use this for their own agenda. The media will use it to hype ratings, the anti gun crowd is gearing up, the race hustlers, even political commentary I've seen somehow tying Mitt Romney to this. It's disgusting. We have a dead 17 year old kid and a broken hearted family and now the exploitation will take everyone's focus off of that. We've now entrenched ourselves so deeply in our positions that are largely based on partial, sketchy, yet troubling information released, that no matter what the outcome, it's sure to cut deep and wide.
Unfortunately the "right side" as you put it may not be as cut and dried and gift wrapped as you'd like......

I sense a great disturbance in the force. Childish comments from both sides. We should check the random numbers at the global conciousness project. The mind appears quantum in nature. Entanglement requires an almost perfect vacuum in a laboratory. But I can think about Andrea Ravel in Rome at the speed of thought (faster miles an hour now, road runner).

Don't be rhetorical, OMN.
Granted we all have limited knowledge on what occurred, but based on what you think you know from reports, as of right now what do you THINK happened??

IMO this case is unique. This would be the equivalent of finding a dead stripper at a Duke lacrosse party and saying she committed suicide.

It may be vaguely similar, yet it's totally unique.
And it's sad how Civil Rights activists like Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have been reduced to 'race pimps' by right wing critics to discredit any cause they're advocating.

Sharpton isn't making coin off of the death of Trayvon Martin. He's pushing this story because an injustice was done and the murderer still hasn't been arrested.

Owning a gun doesn't give someone the authority to act like a cop.

lol@act like a cop, killing unarmed blacks is acting like a cop.

Who Killed Emmett Till? - YouTube

Eyewitness statement of the beating Zimmerman took..

"When I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point," John said.

How about we let the police do the job they are paid for, and quit jumping to conclusions.

Provoke child into fight, lose fight, kill child, profit?

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LMFAO...Put it this way Leona, you would have never survived in the places I've been. I don't take your question as a serious one, but rather an attempt at an insult, but I'll take the high road....you reamin on the low...you're much more comfortable there. I told you once before.....in the military I had black dudes who would take a bullet for me, and me for them. That's a level of respect you'll never be able to grasp . You learn set race aside under the circumstances or you don't survive. When your only interaction with people of different races is spreading your ass cheeks...and then telling us how multi cultural and tolerant you are....it comes off as kinda foolish. And aren't you the one who told us you'd fuck black dudes ( aka take their coin) but never date them. Makes perfect sense to me ....LMAO When you think about it you're really not in a position to judge anyone now are you?

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"LMAO" at what? You didn't even understand what I said.

I said that I would fuck black guys purely for fun, and I do. There are black guys on this forum I've slept with without expecting a donation, if you must know. And believe it or not, you goofball, I have black friends. The LGBT population of the world embraces diversity a lot more than you do from what I can tell. You call people "libs" and assume who they vote for left and right. I don't even like politicians or politics. You're far too busy being a know-it-all with that crap. You're imagining things. I just know who's shitlist I'm higher up on, and that would be the Republicans who's dicks you seem obsessed with sucking, right along with tattooed transsexuals'.

Anyway it has nothing to do with coins. Black guys often turn me on in a big way. Sorry to burst your bubble. I just have a preference for mostly white guys in terms of LTRs. If I meet a black guy I get serious with tho', I'll let you know. Ok, Bluto? lol But wtf's that got to do with this?

Look. I just asked you if you were in prison because you come across as being ethnocentric at the very least. I've known people who've been to prison and they left with more prejudices than they went in with. I guess it's set up keep races apart. That's why I asked you. You don't have to be ashamed of being in prison around me, as long as you're not a cannibal or a child molester, pretty much.

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Don't be rhetorical, OMN.
Granted we all have limited knowledge on what occurred, but based on what you think you know from reports, as of right now what do you THINK happened??

IMO this case is unique. This would be the equivalent of finding a dead stripper at a Duke lacrosse party and saying she committed suicide.

It may be vaguely similar, yet it's totally unique.
And it's sad how Civil Rights activists like Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have been reduced to 'race pimps' by right wing critics to discredit any cause they're advocating.

Sharpton isn't making coin off of the death of Trayvon Martin. He's pushing this story because an injustice was done and the murderer still hasn't been arrested.

Owning a gun doesn't give someone the authority to act like a cop.

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Such willful ignorance is hard to find (I sort of believe that you are really a white guy in a hood trying to make black people look stupid).

Al Sharpton is the very definition of a race hustler (Google Tawana Brawley, or the Crown Heights riots)

Tawana Brawley allegations a scam.
Duke stripper allegations of rape a scam.

By the latest acounts by an eyewitness was that the guy that got himself killed was attacking the shooter.

Why not take on something real like black on black violence. For example, in Chicago (10 people were killed in gang violence last weekend, including a six year old child).

What happens in the minds or on the streets of "The Land of the Free" doesn't surprise me at all anymore. But I can't believe conservative media is planting it's flag around it's timeless battle cry:
APB...black male...late teens...early twenties.....

Q) How many NYC police does it take to push a black man down the stairs?
A) None. He fell.

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Don't be rhetorical, OMN.
Granted we all have limited knowledge on what occurred, but based on what you think you know from reports, as of right now what do you THINK happened??

IMO this case is unique. This would be the equivalent of finding a dead stripper at a Duke lacrosse party and saying she committed suicide.

It may be vaguely similar, yet it's totally unique.
And it's sad how Civil Rights activists like Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have been reduced to 'race pimps' by right wing critics to discredit any cause they're advocating.

Sharpton isn't making coin off of the death of Trayvon Martin. He's pushing this story because an injustice was done and the murderer still hasn't been arrested.

Owning a gun doesn't give someone the authority to act like a cop.

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Well....I just read "in the media" that a witness has come forward and told police the young Mr. Martin was on top of Mr. Zimmerman. I have no idea as to the veracity of his statement, just as I have no first hand knowledge of any of the events....which is my precisely my point...neither do you. You're the one making leaps here...not me. You continue to call Zimmerman a murderer and you accuse me of being rhetorical? That's cute, but intellectually dishonest. You may be correct ultimately, but that comes after a trial....or did you forget about juris prudence in favor of mob justice? Sharpton and Jackson have showed up....so the shooter has to be guilty....right?
And spare me the lame defense of Sharpton doing this out of some reason other than self interest. This guy has made a career of race hustling, and it's worked out pretty well for him. He's now got a cable news show. I live in NY, and see his gig every day. Wherever there's a collection of TV cameras...it won't be long until he shows up bellowing some bull shit. I wonder if he's paid back any of the money he owes for being found guilty of liable in the Brawley case?
If you think this is some sort of veiled defense of Zimmerman, than you haven't understood a word I've said.