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This is one of those threads that one guy was talking about...
Last year Katie Waissels lost the public vote for I think 3 weeks before the show had to give in and get rid of her, there were one two programmes where they swapped the public vote for a judges vote, and it was assumed Waissels was kept in because she got up people's noses and so on, so I don't know how legit all this voting is, except that year after year the winner goes on to a life of well-deserved obscurity -in fact correct me if I am wrong the most successful acts, JLS and Jedward, are 'entertainers' rather than singers anyway. I only got interested in this because someone I knew at work, knew one of the contestants who made it to Bootcamp a couple of years ago -he then became part of a boyband that for a year were under contract to Cowell to perform in the touring shows X Factor does, a year out of his life, but he earned more than £30,000 doing something he liked, so thats not a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by loveboof
I think the format and the content is now dead, my guess is that producers are going to revamp the idea and try and take it 'to a new level' as I think they say in the industry. It is a pity that they can't give air time to people who write their own songs, and play their own instruments, I have nothing against singers, but most of these people just want to be on TV, they can't sing; or their voices are one-dimensional.
Debra, what TV shows do you think are top quality? In terms of integrity, style, content and so forth.
The other point to be made about the music/talent shows in particular is the long-term harm that they do to the music business in general and musical creativity in particular.
I'm a working musician, so you could say, rightly, that I have a bit of an axe to grind. I've written and pushed my own songs, slogged my way through clubs, bars, festivals, slept in the back of vans and on floors etc, so I've paid my dues and finally got to a reasonably comfortable level since going full time.
However, the illusion created by programmes like American Idol and The X Factor means that there's an entire generation of kids growing up who think that standing in line to audition before a bunch of dysfunctional judges is the way to do it. Well, I have news for you - it isn't.
Add the fact that the route to success is now seen as over-emoting some schlock ballad makes things even worse. I only hope that there are still enough kids screaming acne-driven rock in garages all over the world and sensitive emos with acoustics in bedrooms to save us all from the terrible dreck that shows like this promote and then sell by the truckload.
But then nobody ever lost money by underestimating the taste, or the gullibility, of the public, did they Mr Cowell?
@ Stavros, that Katie Waisal thing actually works against the suggestion of corrupt voting because it would be unnecessary with the formula of the show - the public vote doesn't send people home, but rather selects two acts of which the judges decide who goes. That safety net can save their own preferences without the need for elaborate cover ups and confidentiality contracts.
@ Robert, those shows are not harming music creation - all they've done is turn manufactured pop into another kind of entertainment. The final product has been there for a long time, but the process used to happen behind closed doors.
Weak.
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Originally Posted by loveboof
With respect, LB, unless you're in the business you can see neither the insidious effects nor the concrete ones. By opening up that process for mass entertainment purposes they really have made a sea change in the key mechanisms of the industry, with even more focus and more money being channelled into disposable pop music and thus, as Stavros said, disposable pop acts too.
You might argue that it's always been that way, and it has to a large extent, hence the growth of what we now call indie music, and in the UK, most urban music generates the same way.
But the massive business and public emphasis on crap like the X Factor/American Idol, makes it more and more difficult for people with real talent who can write their own songs and play instruments to have any chance of exposure, let alone fame.
Consider playlisting on radio. If it wasn't for Radio 6 with its digitally-limited audience, there would be no national outlet in the UK for anything that departs from the bland and safe.
These programmes are a curse.
I disagree...the human voice is an instrument...it isn't necessary to write music (or songs)...that's just a different type of talent. Many performers that write music and lyrics...suck or are mediocre at best in performing their own work. It works both ways.
Many singing stars throughout history never wrote the musical score...or even the songs that they performed...but people enjoyed their performances nontheless.
The enjoyment of music is subjective...I don't necessarily enjoy pop music...but millions of people do. Many people now have satellite radio...I-tunes...Pandora...etc...yet they still listen to pop-tunes. They like what they like regardless of what other musicians may want them to like.
...and pop music is mostly what a show like American Idol sells..and it is- by it's very nature, in fact, a perfectly acceptable venue to display it...and a lot of those people wouldn't normally get a shot (at doing pop music), because they often lack a very important ingredient to appeal to the masses - often they are not attractive enough to have been picked out. Visual attractiveness is a very important ingredient to make it in the pop industry...and a lot of these kids unfortunately fail that standard...but they still have a shot to have people listen to their performances.
To tell you the truth, I think the two of you would be better off going back to lurking.:dancing:Quote:
Originally Posted by PSL4u
Fred, you are obviously right about the human voice; but the reality is that with or without these shows, very few singers emerge over a period of say 10 years whose popularity endures, and whose careers last; and also its often true that people who write songs are not good performers -but doesn't that suggest there should be a different kind of programme that would allow new performers and new songwriters to test the audience reaction?
Perhaps, as Debra suggests, it is the risk-averse nature of popular entertainment shows which means that once a formula has succeeded and can be fashioned/manipulated it is done again and again, and if some of the allegedly 'unknown' contestants on X Factor have actually won competitions and even recording contracts, the show is easier to plan.
While it would be interesting to have that type of show ...I'm not sure it could be done within that type of format...probably wouldn't get the ratings either...and like you point out - it's about the mass appeal. By the same token, I think it would even be difficult to do shows within different genres of music (as opposed to the washed out pop version of those tunes like Idol / X-Factor)...ultimately, by it's very nature...songwriters and musicians will, for the most part...always have to come up through the ranks - as Robert said - by skill, determination...and as usual...a little (or a lot of) luck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
...and as far as producing lasting pop stars...that's the nature of the beast anyway....only a few pop stars ever endure. (also note my previous comment on the requirement to be attractive)...you also need charisma and sex appeal...something that can't always be created by a show.
Having read page 1, and pages 12 and 13 respectively - I am literally fascinated to see how we got from gangbanging pm's to x-factor.
pages 2 ,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 and 11 are all in my to do list
thanks peeps x
for the record dont think ive ever had 70 pm's on here. nice haul :D
X-what Sammie?:):):)Quote:
Originally Posted by SammiValentine
Only when louie has gone will I watch
Yes. Some perspective is needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by ValerieNelson
The original poster has a delicious photo of herself naked on a porn board for trannies, and then is surprised when men want her and tell her so.
Jesus.
Would you walk down the street naked and then not expect guys to react? Please tell me the difference. You're on a public board and your avatar is you naked. It's the equivalent of wearing short shorts in the street.
I too want to fuck you, but I wouldn't PM you because who wants to be in a mailbox with 6000 other men.
I wish I felt for you. It must be nice is all I can say.
You're right that some perspective is needed. Yes, this is a porn board for transsexuals and many performers post on here. And many post nude photos of themselves. But there is a big difference in telling someone that you are attracted to aroused by them, than saying "I too want to fuck you..." The ladies who post on here are very attractive and most of us appreciate their willingness to display their nudity. But that doesn't make them less deserving of our respect and courtesy. And just because someone performs a role in pornographic film that doesn't mean that person is like that in real life. Nor does it mean the person doesn't reserve respect and courtesy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crossover1
You, on the other hand...:geek:
On the plus side, there hasn't been a single post yet agonising over whether the poster is gay or not. It's not all bad. :dancing:Quote:
Originally Posted by SammiValentine
But there is a big difference in telling someone that you are attracted to aroused by them, than saying "I too want to fuck you..."Quote:
Originally Posted by ValerieNelson
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Huh?
If you set out to arouse men, don't be surprised--or annoyed--when you do. You can easily ignore the ones who either don't offer you much, or you can...stop arousing them.
It just blows my mind how silly people are when it comes to desire. Ignoring people is part of modern life. You take the baby with the bathwater when you crave the attention of others.
You're confused: They're not posting nude photos for any of us, they're doing it for themselves. So why should I "appreciate it" when in the end, they're brand building. It's part of what's wrong with the sprawling nature of this board. It's a marketing board first and foremost, and we're customers. Intimacy and real exchange is hardly possible under such circumstances.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigDF
Also, call me quaint, but respect and courtesy means you're graceful when someone you've done a great job turning on tells you so. Once again, you can ignore the trolls.
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Originally Posted by Crossover1
Again, I say I rather those than hate mail saying such things as, "You're going to hell," "You have AIDS!!!," or other colorful things. Plus there are the Psycho messages I get from people that believe I'm sitting in front of my computer 24/7 and if I don't respond to their, "Hi wuz up?," then I'm a bitch; or they spam my inbox and I put them on block/ignore, then I read somewhere else, "This bitch is rude and blocked me for no reason Whaaaa!"
Just because you want to fuck my brains out, doesn't mean you can't send a tactful message. 6000 other men in my mailbox? Thanks! I wish! :wiggle:
Give it time. Give it time. :wiggle:Quote:
Originally Posted by robertlouis
I only agonize over the gay issue when the word "rosebud" cracks me up.
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Or when on all fours.
Mostly harmless perhaps - and certainly nice people like Debra must be pleased that there is no way these clowns can reach out beyond this forum and get to her in reality.
But it is equally sobering - if not surprising - that people would send such messages full of hate as "I would like to gangbang you to death." What has this to do with sex? it is pure violent sick hatred. What are people like that doing here at all in this forum. it is certainly something thta women have to contend with - have always had to contend with - for millennia. - the fear and loathing that seems to possess so many men.
whoops missed the way this thread has mutated - i was responding to the original remarks about the vile messages sent to debra 9(and doubtless many others) by lurkers.
x-factor is bent as fuck
Are you referring to the chubby gay scouser with the dodgy looks but great voice by any chance?Quote:
Originally Posted by SammiValentine
referring to every late bit of it, I dont watch it :) i am not sure whats worse that or big brother or those geordies and a bunch of wankers in a jungle..
i am a huge reality t.v fan as you can tell :)
You have the wrong idea of what I first posted. Yes this is a porn site, and yes I posted the teasing nude avatar pic. I am a woman who is very open minded. I am not shy about my body or my lust for sex. I am also a big tease at times. But I have also made it very clear on several occasions that I am not an escort, or in the porn industry, and my ass isn't for sale. I do not have any problem with guys that post often who tease me right back because those who do this know the meaning of the word TACT. The lurkers are like preditors in the dark alley waiting to jump out and pounce on you. They are just crude to the extreme and this is not welcomed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crossover1
Your comparison is not valid in this case. The public street is not a porn site. Let's try it this way. If you drive down the street and see a hooker on the corner, dressed in tight shorts and a halter top, one might pull up to them and ask them if they suck cock and how much it would cost.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crossover1
OK Now you are driving down the street and see a sexy girl in tight shorts and a halter top. She is just out walking to her friends house for dinner. Would you pull up to her and ask if she sucks cock and how much it cost? If you answer yes, then you are a lurker. You can't tell the difference and don't care.
The world is what it is. Men wanting to have sex with sexy women is the order of nature. You thinking that you want to fuck me is not the problem. I am flattered when guys like how I look and are attracted to me sexually. There is nothing wrong with that. It's a normal human emotion. The problem is SAYING you want to fuck me. It shows a lack of class and intelligence. I would expect that approach from street thugs or drunken hillbillies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crossover1
If you approach me and tell me I am nice looking and think my body is hot, and that you would love to see and touch me all over..... That is the same as saying that you want to fuck me, and I clearly get that message. But it had tact and shows some education and manners.
Even the whores on the streets deserve that much from guys, but johns are to ignorant to understand that. There are too many guys that think, if a woman flashes a tit at them, it automatically means she wants to fuck and suck him til armagedden. But it doesn't mean that.
The bottom line is. I don't mind teasing in the forums, and I don't mind you teasing back. I think of sex as fun and passion. It should be shared and not just taken. Tease me here all you want, and I will return the fun. We are all adults here. But if you want to make a first contact with me in private, don't get all thuggy on me and treat me like a fucking street whore. That is just fucked up and ignorant as hell. I am an educated human being. Treat me like one.
can i fuck u in your right nostril?Quote:
Originally Posted by Debra
I agree. It is mutually beneficial for most of these girls to post their pics - so they do not necessarily deserve our unending gratitude.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crossover1
But who is Debra marketing, and what is her brand? She doesn't work in porn. And regardless of anyone's intentions, those lurkers who pm'ed her are still losers.
That is correct. I am not here to market my ass for sale. I joined this site because I am a TS and it looked like fun. The reason for the nude avatar is very simple. Guys like to look at naked girls, and I am not that shy. I thought you would like to see it. It doesn't actually show much except for the bumps of my ass. This is an adult site after all. There is nothing wrong with nudity but should never be thought of as an invitation for purchase and disrespectful crudeness from assholes. They are just avatars on an adult site. It just too bad that there are so many children on this adult site that don't understand how to be an adult. But that is to be expected I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by loveboof
Debra, you are just a sweetheart. Would love it it you would go on a date with a fat, older guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Debra
I think if you were an adult, you would be flattered by the good ones, and simply ignore the bad ones. That's what being an adult means. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Debra
I've read your posts and you're clearly an exhibitionist and a tease, which is great and certainly welcome here, but you can't complain if guys get worked up and don't approach you in the way you'd like. You need to let it slide off your back if you want to survive here. The number of times that tgirls use the word "loser" to describe the men who desire them gets very fucking tedious. Two way street.
well what do u want attention or no attention.. I guess the only reason you post on here as a tgirl is to see if you attract attention right??? daaaaaaa....
Everyone on this site is an exhibitionist and a tease. It's an adult sex site. I guess you are in the gategory of those who do not understand the difference between a teaser and a whore. Nor do you care to know the difference. You think that all women who tease a little to have some fun are whores and should accept anytactles word you wish to throw at them. I'll bet you think all women want you too. And if anyone does NOT agree with you, then they can't be an adult. I guess living in your own little fantasy world must be comforting, because you never have to learn anything more than the egotistical need to be ignorant and crude. I am sure you can get any whore you want. After all, the only thing they expect from you is your cash. Just don't speak to them and you will do fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crossover1
My reason for being here was clearly explained in detail. Maybe your limited comprehension of the written word skipped that part. Scroll down and give it a second try.Quote:
Originally Posted by LuvMonkeyGalore
Some guys will never, ever get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by LuvMonkeyGalore
can i fuck u in your left ear until my cum squirts out your right ear?Quote:
Originally Posted by Debra
?&*!$%?#$&!
My avatar is of a stone lion. it is not an invitation to take up stone masonry so please stop sending me PMs guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by Debra
The nature of this website is going to attract certain characters. Apparently those characters have found you lol...as with most of the other girls on this forum i'm sure.