Occupy Wall Street protest

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Originally Posted by robertlouis

That inequality is just as marked here in the UK, Ben, which makes us different from almost all the other major member states of the EU. And for me it's one of the greatest failings of the Blair and Brown governments that not only did they fail to arrest the trend, it actually accelerated.

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It has been the shift from industrial capital to financial capital.
America had strong industrial capital in the 50s and 60s and early 70s. Thus creating a big middle class.
But circa 1973 the economy shifted to finance. Ya know, finance gained control of our government. So, long-term investment went out the door. (In the 50s and 60s 90 percent of investment was long term. And 10 percent speculation. Now it's 10 percent long-term investment. And 90 percent speculation. So, what that translates into is low growth. Both economic and wage growth. And it's designed to shift capital to the very top. So, it's simple policy decisions and who has control of our economy. Just read the conservative American economist Paul Craig Roberts. Yes! A conservative -- ha ha ha! He says we cannot continue to go down this road. That is: offshoring middle class jobs. And he also points out: you offshore your tax base and your economy, too, when you send jobs overseas.)

what law was broken? they are using a 100yr old no mask law.. wtf.. you call that right to restrict?

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Originally Posted by Kayden Harley

So you disagree with a protest as a whole, simply because you REALLY just disagree with a small portion of the protesters?

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Kayden....I don't disagree with the protesters because I don't know what they're protesting. Do they? Hey...as I say I'm cool with civil protest, but it seems to me that everybody with a bitch against somebody found a cool place to hang out for a couple weeks. Some don't like the government, some don't like the corporations, some don't like thier jobs...
I often wonder if the "soft" me generation of today was around in 1929 and 1930 what this country would look like today. I undersatand lots of folks are having a tough time, but these folks need to do some reading on the Great Depression, or just talk to someone who lived through it, for a reality check.

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Originally Posted by onmyknees

I often wonder if the "soft" me generation of today was around in 1929 and 1930 what this country would look like today. I undersatand lots of folks are having a tough time, but these folks need to do some reading on the Great Depression, or just talk to someone who lived through it, for a reality check.

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I agree with that, up to a point. The Depression was a profound and bitter experience for millions, echoing down through the generations to this day, ironically ended in most cases by economies, of necessity, moving on to a war footing.

However, comparisons which tell you folks were worse off 80 years ago are cold comfort when you've lost your home, your job and all the certainties which underpin the American Dream. These people are angry, frustrated and largely disenfranchised. The Republican solutions would only make things tougher and Obama has demonstrated that he hasn't the balls for the really tough battles.

So they've turned their anger towards the proper target - the uncaring, selfish, arrogant, profit-mad, crooked bastards that got you and us into the mess in the first place. If government won't tackle the disgraceful obscenity that is Wall Street and over here the City of London, it's up to the people to take the lead. I wish the protestors all the luck in the world, and let's face it, they're going to need it.

When comparing to the great depression, in my opinion it MIGHT NOT be apples with apples so to speak. First off everything was in black in white( just kidding). What people look at in the depression are the bread lines. People waiting in line to get some food is a powerful picture. However, there are around 40 MILLION people on food stamps (estimate) RIGHT NOW. So imagine no food stamps and 40 million people waiting in line for food. Now today might appear much more bleak than then, if I were to give you a black and white photograph and no food stamps ( debit cards).

Yes some people are gaming the system now. But some people were probably gaming the system then in those lines too.

But like you I am unsure what the protesters are truly upset about so its hard for me to agree or disagree with them too.

We are EQUAL in the eyes of the law( or at least should be) but not equal in the results of our endeavors. This coming from a man who pretty much fails so far in his endeavors but loves the opportunity I have each time to "make it" in America. I love the chance I get in this country and hope for more chances until "I make it"

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Originally Posted by robertlouis

I agree with that, up to a point. The Depression was a profound and bitter experience for millions, echoing down through the generations to this day, ironically ended in most cases by economies, of necessity, moving on to a war footing.

However, comparisons which tell you folks were worse off 80 years ago are cold comfort when you've lost your home, your job and all the certainties which underpin the American Dream. These people are angry, frustrated and largely disenfranchised. The Republican solutions would only make things tougher and Obama has demonstrated that he hasn't the balls for the really tough battles.

So they've turned their anger towards the proper target - the uncaring, selfish, arrogant, profit-mad, crooked bastards that got you and us into the mess in the first place. If government won't tackle the disgraceful obscenity that is Wall Street and over here the City of London, it's up to the people to take the lead. I wish the protestors all the luck in the world, and let's face it, they're going to need it.

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Well, lets see where the "movement" is 30 days from now Robert. I suspect that those who are of power would not easily tolerate a genuine challenge to their authority. More than likely the protestors will be used by various factions on both the right and left to institute even more draconian measures hence increasing the control of the ruling elite of just about everything. Stay tuned boppers stay tuned

You're not that much of a cynic, are you Maaarc? ;)

Stay tuned boppers stay tuned[/QUOTE]
Is that a "Warriors movie quote" can't go wrong with that in my eyes.

:soapbox:soapbox

my grand father was a bare knuckle prize fighter in the depression and president of the waterside workers union

kayden

if you weren't so good looking I could simply say your sense of humor is wicked fantasic and simply mean just that, but ....

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Originally Posted by robertlouis

You're not that much of a cynic, are you Maaarc? ;)

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Not sure if cynic would accurately describe me :) I simply state that we should wait and see what evolves from this zygote sort of speak. One more thing - you are an extraordinary man my friend - the world could use more of your kind

be well

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Originally Posted by Jonny29

Stay tuned boppers stay tuned

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Is that a "Warriors movie quote" can't go wrong with that in my eyes.[/QUOTE]


as a matter of fact :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XfT9WhMSBw

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Originally Posted by Jonny29

kayden

if you weren't so good looking I could simply say your sense of humor is wicked fantasic and simply mean just that, but ....

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lol

<3

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Originally Posted by maaarc

Not sure if cynic would accurately describe me :) I simply state that we should wait and see what evolves from this zygote sort of speak. One more thing - you are an extraordinary man my friend - the world could use more of your kind

be well

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That's more than extremely kind of you, Maaarc, thank you, but there's a fairly hefty constituency here that would violently disagree. You know who you are! :)

I also agree that we need to wait and not get carried away. This has nothing like the momentum and fervour of the Arab Spring - yet - nor are the protesters under the threat of the kind of intimidation and violence which those brave kids in Tunis and Cairo withstood. On the other hand, if it takes a grip and shows sustained commitment in numbers, it could bring about the profound change which the financial system and therefore the economy - and I'm not just talking about the US, but the entire planet - so desperately needs.

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Originally Posted by Kayden Harley

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Kayden, I enjoyed your Sesame Street post, but your other contributions to this thread demonstrate that you're a young woman who fully understands and supports the protesters and their cause. I look forward to more of the same.

And yes, you're very cute too. ;)

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Originally Posted by Kayden Harley

lol

<3

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she's cute and all but she's not perfect - IMHO she has some major problems - for instance her biggest problem is she is NOT married to me :(:(:(

I'm ready to join. Corporate Scum.....

:mad::mad:but don't you hate rich uni students

I'm glad Wall Street in Los Angeles isn't like Wall Street in New York...

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Originally Posted by russtafa

my grand father was a bare knuckle prize fighter in the depression and president of the waterside workers union

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I'm he'd proud of his reactionary grandson's swerve to the far right

Both sides of the same coin, although I feel the Occupy Wall Street protestors have a better focus on where the true problem lies.

Teabaggers see the problem as federal government overreach, entitlement and rampant deficit spending. Left wing protestors see the problem generated by those people who pay the lobbyists who write favorable legislation to benefit the financial sector and who place their former executives employed within the upper most echelons of our government: The Big Banks.

Who's most to blame?? The guy who offers the bribe, or the man who agrees to accept it???

Wall Street interests have a criminal amount of influence in the Federal government within all 3 branches, Goldman Sachs in particular.
Philosophically, most conservatives are anti-government so all roads to economic hell lead back to Capitol Hill and the WH. But I'm still trying to understand when this shift occurred in the GOP where their faith in capitalism as a social organizing principle was greater than their belief in a representative federal government??

Capitalism without regulation ALWAYS leads to economic collapse. Capitalism by its very nature is an insatiable beast that has to be contained through government and institutional regulation, or ultimately it will cannibalize itself.

The republicans IMO are making a bet the American people one more time will vote against their own interests in favor of improving the economic of the ruling class.
10 years of tax cuts for the wealthy and this country still bled jobs at a historic pace.

Yes Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac played a role in the recent economic crisis, but most of the blame belongs to those who KNEW they were selling toxic, subprime mortgage derivatives to investors ALL OVER THE WORLD.

You can't tell me the big investment banks didn't know that home prices wouldn't continue to increase indefinitely and had to know they would eventually fall, making derivative based securities worthless.
The investment banks IMO deliberately sold shit wrapped up in a pretty bowtie and when the scam fell apart, they KNEW the Treasury could be bullied to bail them out.

The Wall Street execs should be thankful these protests haven't turned violent, because eventually that violence will be directed towards someone 'else'.

Finally the people are WAKING UP to whom the real villains are in this financial crisis.
Occupying Wall Street is a no brainer.

Fuck teabaggers. Only thing they did with Bush In office was keep his balls warm in their mouths.

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Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel

Both sides of the same coin, although I feel the Occupy Wall Street protestors have a better focus on where the true problem lies.

Teabaggers see the problem as federal government overreach, entitlement and rampant deficit spending. Left wing protestors see the problem generated by those people who pay the lobbyists who write favorable legislation to benefit the financial sector and who place their former executives employed within the upper most echelons of our government: The Big Banks.

Finally the people are WAKING UP to whom the real villains are in this financial crisis.
Occupying Wall Street is a no brainer.

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:iagree::iagree::iagree::iagree: very well said :iagree::iagree::iagree::iagree:

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Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel

Both sides of the same coin, although I feel the Occupy Wall Street protestors have a better focus on where the true problem lies.

Teabaggers see the problem as federal government overreach, entitlement and rampant deficit spending. Left wing protestors see the problem generated by those people who pay the lobbyists who write favorable legislation to benefit the financial sector and who place their former executives employed within the upper most echelons of our government: The Big Banks.

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They're both right. Unless of course you don't agree that our government is bought and paid for, which I know you do, because it is, so I'm not sure how you could deduce that one side was placing blame more appropriately than the other. :?

Ron Paul 2012.

~BB~

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Originally Posted by Prospero

I'm he'd proud of his reactionary grandson's swerve to the far right

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first union president to vote National party in the history of the union and backed it up with his fists and he taught me to use my fists and fear no man.he died a well respected man in the union movement and has been a great influence in my life

I assume The national party is somewhat to the right? (Since i have only a sketchy knowledge of Aussie politics)

back then the National party was very hard core right wing and when he became union president it split the family down the middle.he had a huge fight with his brother which left his brother bloody and unconscious and we still don't speak with the other side of the family to this day

"bloody and unconscious..." so you are a family who use fists rather than reason.

if we have to we will.my cousin was a merc in Rhodesia,i was a bouncer,my brother was a bouncer,cousins.it's a great way of making people see reason lol

WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?: YOU BLAME CHINA. YOU BLAME INDIA. YOU BLAME AMERICA. YOU BLAME THE CEO'S, THE OIL COMPANIES, THE VAGUE AND INCOHERENT 'SYSTEM,' THE INTERNATIONAL REGULATORY REGIMES, THE HYPOCRISY OF THE LEFT, THE RIGHTEOUS OF THE RIGHT, THE EDUCATORS, THE ECONOMY, YOUR PARENTS, YOUR CHILDHOOD, YOUR JOB, YOUR BANK ACCOUNT, YOUR MENTAL HEALTH, YOUR GOVERNMENT, EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING BUT YOURSELF. WAKE UP! THIS IS NO JOKE. THIS IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING AND YOUR FIVE PLANET-LIFESTYLE IS THE PRIMARY CAUSE OF IT! FIGHT FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN!


And no Bella this is not from FB :)

And by the way Chase bank paid 4 millions dollars to get those 700 people arrested and to hurt those innocent women...DISGUSTING

So much for freedom of speech and expression...


And Keith Olbermann read of the demands of Occupy Wallstreet - their first statement...

http://current.com/shows/countdown/v...py-wall-street

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Originally Posted by robertlouis

Kayden, I enjoyed your Sesame Street post, but your other contributions to this thread demonstrate that you're a young woman who fully understands and supports the protesters and their cause. I look forward to more of the same.

And yes, you're very cute too. ;)

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Thanks, and yes I fully support the protesters. I just feel that I've stated my opinion, and don't want to continue repeating myself. Adding my 2 cents on HA won't do much to help the cause. Just adds more back and forth jibber jabber.

<3

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Originally Posted by maaarc

she's cute and all but she's not perfect - IMHO she has some major problems - for instance her biggest problem is she is NOT married to me :(:(:(

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lol :salad

Isn't this topic in the wrong section?Also,Ron Paul is a lunatic
There are no current candidates in the running that are un-bought,including that hypocrite

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Originally Posted by KellyShore

WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?: YOU BLAME CHINA. YOU BLAME INDIA. YOU BLAME AMERICA. YOU BLAME THE CEO'S, THE OIL COMPANIES, THE VAGUE AND INCOHERENT 'SYSTEM,' THE INTERNATIONAL REGULATORY REGIMES, THE HYPOCRISY OF THE LEFT, THE RIGHTEOUS OF THE RIGHT, THE EDUCATORS, THE ECONOMY, YOUR PARENTS, YOUR CHILDHOOD, YOUR JOB, YOUR BANK ACCOUNT, YOUR MENTAL HEALTH, YOUR GOVERNMENT, EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING BUT YOURSELF. WAKE UP! THIS IS NO JOKE. THIS IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING AND YOUR FIVE PLANET-LIFESTYLE IS THE PRIMARY CAUSE OF IT! FIGHT FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN!


And no Bella this is not from FB :)

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It doesn't matter where it's from. My issue is that you want to be taken seriously as a political pundit and yet you never post an original thought. What's up with that? All you have ever done is jump from one bandwagon to another and now you want people to respect your opinion? :?

~BB~

Naomi Klein @ Occupy Wall Street 10-06-2011 - YouTube

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

It doesn't matter where it's from. My issue is that you want to be taken seriously as a political pundit and yet you never post an original thought. What's up with that? All you have ever done is jump from one bandwagon to another and now you want people to respect your opinion? :?

~BB~

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That was my thought lol

Bandwagon?

I've always been a liberal dem?

I've always stood for equal rights - I've fought for it since I was 12

You know crap about me - but what you see on a porn board - or porn

I have spoken at over 300 colleges - put on Pride parades - marched Washington - helped get the equal work rights act put in place in Peoria, IL

I can keep listing things I was part of, but again you go off a persona I created

For PR reasons and what not

My real life - my personal Facebook - etc

I'm a lot different :)

But alas my porn career overshadows my political experience and offices I held on google

I made a mistake going by Kelly Shore for porn and I have said this repeatedly

But I have to live with that

And I have to live with the fact I took a lot of bad pics right after surgeries lol

But please refrain from trying to demean me



I just don't speak out much on my fan accounts - cause it's not popular - we are supposed to be sex hungry...

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Originally Posted by KellyShore

That was my thought lol

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Still. Anyone can make a statement of outrage. How about a statement of analysis?

~BB~

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Originally Posted by Ben

It has been the shift from industrial capital to financial capital.
America had strong industrial capital in the 50s and 60s and early 70s. Thus creating a big middle class.
But circa 1973 the economy shifted to finance. Ya know, finance gained control of our government. So, long-term investment went out the door. (In the 50s and 60s 90 percent of investment was long term. And 10 percent speculation. Now it's 10 percent long-term investment. And 90 percent speculation. So, what that translates into is low growth. Both economic and wage growth. And it's designed to shift capital to the very top. So, it's simple policy decisions and who has control of our economy. Just read the conservative American economist Paul Craig Roberts. Yes! A conservative -- ha ha ha! He says we cannot continue to go down this road. That is: offshoring middle class jobs. And he also points out: you offshore your tax base and your economy, too, when you send jobs overseas.)

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That is an excellent point, Ben. I might add that this is jeopardizing our national security as well, because our superpower status is becoming increasingly endangered by our badly eroded industrial base. :geek:

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

Still. Anyone can make a statement of outrage. How about a statement of analysis?

~BB~

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The statement is obvious Bella - people are more concerned about Kim Kardashian's wedding...and they blame everyone under the sun...forgetting they have a voice...

It's called mind polluting....

I demonstrated with them in Chicago, and a lot of my friends are following suit.

Opinions especially political aren't good in business...

Obviously as a pornstar/cammodel/whatever the case... you are a business...

And they tell you in business religion/politics is off limits...

And a lot of my fans are conservatives and Republicans...go figure

I would love to tell them how they are hypocrites and it's disgusting they support a group who hates our very nature..

HOWEVER - that's not my job - my job is to get them off

If I said what I had to say publicly like I would like to say it - it would piss a lot of them off...

I don't use my fan accounts for such personal feelings and thoughts...