What Is The Next Gun You Plan On Buying?

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Originally Posted by Dino Velvet

My mistake. I thought you guys were, sort of. Work on Trish though. I've tried. She won't have anything to do with them. A girl with an ass like that needs protection. I'd look out for her but she won't even tell me what city she lives in.

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Nope! That's a GOP myth they love to throw around to stir the hate for us libs. And it usually works with the stupid people. But we believe in the 2nd amendment to the Constitution. We liberals have no problem with hunters and law abiding citizens owning guns. We are just sick and tired at how easily and freely aussalt weapons get into the hands of the wrong people.

So always remember. When a republican opens their mouth, have the shovels and deodorizers ready. Because it's gonna rain shit.

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Originally Posted by Ineeda SM

Nope! That's a GOP myth they love to throw around to stir the hate for us libs. And it usually works with the stupid people. But we believe in the 2nd amendment to the Constitution. We liberals have no problem with hunters and law abiding citizens owning guns. We are just sick and tired at how easily and freely aussalt weapons get into the hands of the wrong people.

So always remember. When a republican opens their mouth, have the shovels and deodorizers ready. Because it's gonna rain shit.

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I like libs. I live in California, remember? If I couldn't get along well with you guys I wouldn't have any friends at all. I try even harder to make friends with people who think differently as long as they don't look too different.

I have all the guns I want except for a few custom competition handguns I would like. I'm actually looking into suppressors for most of them now.

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Originally Posted by kittyKaiti

Gun laws in FL are fuckin awesome.

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FL is the wild frontier. lol

I'm converted. I just been checking out what you can do with those guns. Dont you love it?

Potato gun. Legal in the UK

This is bloody hilarious and shows what happens with an AK47 in the wrong hands albeit the intelligence level between the two parties is probably equal.


‪Ape With AK-47‬‏ - YouTube

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Originally Posted by Prospero

It is a discussion like this that makes me feel despair. When I saw the title i thought - hoped - it was an ironic thing, a joke. Sadly I see that many of my fellow enthusiasts for girls with "sex pistols" are deeply enamoured of the more deadly kind. I find this so depressing I cannot really articulate it properly.

What is it about the potential to deal death that so fascinates so many men?

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this is a tough debate. I have been a "gun guy" since I was a kid. my dad had them, we'd go shooting at the gun range as a family. I learned how to care for, and respect, firearms. To me it has nothing to do with the potential to deal death. Thats a hightened fanatical view of gun-ownership. Seriously, break it down: you own kitchen knives? Have any big carving knives? whats to stop you from grabbing one and going ape-shit on some poor unsuspecting slobs? own a baseball bat? Have access to a hardware store where they sell iron pipes? how about an automobile? everytime any one of us gets be hind the wheel, we are instantly at the helm of one of the most powerful and most readily available weapons in existence. but nobody sees that inherant view of cars--they are just meant to get us from point a to b. guns were designed to kill, that much is undisputable fact. however, this day and age, guns are for sport, recreation, and defense. it is highly unlikely that 99% will ever need to worry about defense, but it doesn't mean I shouldn't be allowed to have one just in case. I'm betting you never fired a gun, and never experienced the thrill of it. its fun! and it doesn't have to be relegated to "death and destruction" alone.

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Originally Posted by Hebrew Hammer

"Statistics are like women; mirrors of purest virtue and truth, or like whores to use as one pleases."

You can't just adjust for population and expect everything to be all wonderful. There's certain problems that arise out of nothing more than having a population of 300 million people. Illegal weapons and crime are problems endemic to poverty whatever country you goto and it get's exponentially worse as the population rises. Guns have nothing to do with the problem of violence in America. I don't know if you've lived here ever for extended periods of time but you could outlaw weapons in America like the Brady campaign is set on, but it's not going to put fucking dent in the drug trade which we Americans love so much. It's not going to put a fucking dent on the inner city gang violence in East LA, or S Chicago, or San Antonio, or any fucking large city in America. Banning the legal sale of assault rifles won't do a fucking thing, most violent crimes are committed with cheap saturday night specials. If you really wanna lower gun violence in America you should outlaw cheap, spotty weapons so poor drug dealers can't buy them out of the back of chrysler for less than the cost of a good bottle of scotch.

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nice :)

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Eight people have been shot dead in the US state of Ohio following what police described as a domestic dispute.
The shooting happened in Copley, around 40 miles south of Cleveland.
The gunman killed five people in one area of the township, before killing two others elsewhere.
His victims included his girlfriend and her brother, along with an 11-year-old child.
One official said the dead also included two high school students.
The shooter was later killed in an exchange of gunfire with officers.
Police have said little about the incident - the gunman's identity has not been disclosed or any speculation on his motive.
They would also not comment on who the victims were or how they were connected.
Copley Police Chief Michael Mier said: "Our job is extremely complicated right now.
"The crime scene is being treated like any other - it's a little unusual in that it is so large and involves multiple locations."
Reports of a person running through the neighborhood and firing a gun prompted calls to police.
"At a home, the gunman shot his girlfriend, ran to a home next door and shot her brother and four others, then chased two people through some yards and shot one of them," a police spokesman said.
"He went into a third home and shot another person before leaving and exchanging gunfire with a police officer and a former police officer."
A woman, who was shot and wounded by the gunman, was taken to hospital, but no details have been released about her injuries or condition.
About 300 people held a prayer vigil for the victims on Sunday evening, many of them high school students.

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Originally Posted by needsum

this is a tough debate. I have been a "gun guy" since I was a kid. my dad had them, we'd go shooting at the gun range as a family. I learned how to care for, and respect, firearms. To me it has nothing to do with the potential to deal death. Thats a hightened fanatical view of gun-ownership. Seriously, break it down: you own kitchen knives? Have any big carving knives? whats to stop you from grabbing one and going ape-shit on some poor unsuspecting slobs? own a baseball bat? Have access to a hardware store where they sell iron pipes? how about an automobile? everytime any one of us gets be hind the wheel, we are instantly at the helm of one of the most powerful and most readily available weapons in existence. but nobody sees that inherant view of cars--they are just meant to get us from point a to b. guns were designed to kill, that much is undisputable fact. however, this day and age, guns are for sport, recreation, and defense. it is highly unlikely that 99% will ever need to worry about defense, but it doesn't mean I shouldn't be allowed to have one just in case. I'm betting you never fired a gun, and never experienced the thrill of it. its fun! and it doesn't have to be relegated to "death and destruction" alone.

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Flaws to argument.... automatic assault weapons exist for one purpose unlike cars or kitchen knives. yes I've fired guns - with the SAS.

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Originally Posted by needsum

this is a tough debate. I have been a "gun guy" since I was a kid. my dad had them, we'd go shooting at the gun range as a family. I learned how to care for, and respect, firearms. To me it has nothing to do with the potential to deal death. Thats a hightened fanatical view of gun-ownership. Seriously, break it down: you own kitchen knives? Have any big carving knives? whats to stop you from grabbing one and going ape-shit on some poor unsuspecting slobs? own a baseball bat? Have access to a hardware store where they sell iron pipes? how about an automobile? everytime any one of us gets be hind the wheel, we are instantly at the helm of one of the most powerful and most readily available weapons in existence. but nobody sees that inherant view of cars--they are just meant to get us from point a to b. guns were designed to kill, that much is undisputable fact. however, this day and age, guns are for sport, recreation, and defense. it is highly unlikely that 99% will ever need to worry about defense, but it doesn't mean I shouldn't be allowed to have one just in case. I'm betting you never fired a gun, and never experienced the thrill of it. its fun! and it doesn't have to be relegated to "death and destruction" alone.

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I understand completly where you are coming from Needsum. I live in the UK and we have very tight gun laws, I'm licensed and own a 12 guage shotgun which I have had for some 25yrs now and love it for sport whether it be bird shooting or clay pigeon.

I do love guns though and as a tourist love to go and try out lots of hardware wherever possible, have probably fired 20 or more different types of guns which is a pretty good selection for a civillian Brit.

I have never once wanted to take my gun out and use it for anything other than the purpose to which I stated above but the sad fact of the matter is that the more weapons there are around the easier it is for them to fall in the wrong hands. Sure a car is a lethal weapon and so is a kitchen knife but statistics will tell you that very few people will use their car to kill / maime someone intentionally. On the other hand there are millions of knives in the world and in the UK we have a knife crime issue. But as always it is not with the average Joe, sensible man in the street it is the gangs and extremists. If guns were freely available in the UK then I suspect we would be subject to rising gun crimes as is prevalent in the USA.

Fact of the matter is that if the guns are not available then the chances of gun crime are greatly reduced so I as a person who enjoys guns support the UK stance on this.

That said I love to play with guns and so long as you guys still welcome us Brits then I'm happy to come to the States and play around then fly home and leave you guys with the constant worry that the next time someone raises their voice they don't pull a 357 from out of their pocket.

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Originally Posted by Edwoodwoodwood

This is bloody hilarious and shows what happens with an AK47 in the wrong hands albeit the intelligence level between the two parties is probably equal.


‪Ape With AK-47‬‏ - YouTube

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lmao

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Originally Posted by Prospero

Flaws to argument.... automatic assault weapons exist for one purpose unlike cars or kitchen knives. yes I've fired guns - with the SAS.

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No shit "automatic" weapons aren't that easy to get a hold of, even in Texas. The right FFL is expensive as shit, no one is going to take the time to go through all the federal rings to drop 10-20 grand on a automatic rifle and then sell it a drug dealer. Assault rifles that are truly assault rifles in the hands of criminals and dealers get there from corrupt and retarded ATF policies and stolen weapons from the US military and police meant for destruction. They may be made in America but they don't come from here, they're shipped right up the border with Mexico along with the drugs. 1 trained person with a semi-automatic rifle can shoot way more accurately than a fire team's worth of dumb asses from the ghetto.

thanks for those photos. I'm sure that is the type of thing any and all of us "gun nuts" on this board are striving to achieve. Shall I post photos of drunk driving accidents now so we can compare more bloody, violent crimes?

Now on to more important stuff, here are most of mine. Missing from the photos, I also have a Mauser M-98 and a mossberg .22 single shot rifle that was my dads when he was a kid. WOuld have a couple Colt AR-15's and a M1-carbine as well, but thanks to good ol Jim Florio they are illegal in NJ and now reside with my uncle in Texas.

Beretta 96F, Taurus 96F, Colt Model 1911, M1 garand, .223 SKS replica, .22 Ruger P22, .45 Ruger P90

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Originally Posted by Edwoodwoodwood

I understand completly where you are coming from Needsum. I live in the UK and we have very tight gun laws, I'm licensed and own a 12 guage shotgun which I have had for some 25yrs now and love it for sport whether it be bird shooting or clay pigeon.

I do love guns though and as a tourist love to go and try out lots of hardware wherever possible, have probably fired 20 or more different types of guns which is a pretty good selection for a civillian Brit.

I have never once wanted to take my gun out and use it for anything other than the purpose to which I stated above but the sad fact of the matter is that the more weapons there are around the easier it is for them to fall in the wrong hands. Sure a car is a lethal weapon and so is a kitchen knife but statistics will tell you that very few people will use their car to kill / maime someone intentionally. On the other hand there are millions of knives in the world and in the UK we have a knife crime issue. But as always it is not with the average Joe, sensible man in the street it is the gangs and extremists. If guns were freely available in the UK then I suspect we would be subject to rising gun crimes as is prevalent in the USA.

Fact of the matter is that if the guns are not available then the chances of gun crime are greatly reduced so I as a person who enjoys guns support the UK stance on this.

That said I love to play with guns and so long as you guys still welcome us Brits then I'm happy to come to the States and play around then fly home and leave you guys with the constant worry that the next time someone raises their voice they don't pull a 357 from out of their pocket.

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thanks for the reply, and I'm glad to see your position on this. however, one thing that many people don't realize from out of the country is that the vast majority of the gun crime committed here in the US is done with illegal firearms. in many if not most states, there is a rigorous application process just to get your Firearms ID card. Here in NJ, it means going to the local PD, getting fingerprinted, filling out a background sheck with the State Police, and waiting several months for someone to decide if you will be accepted. Some states are very liberal with purchase policies, but most require some form of waiting period and background check. But as for the gun violence, since the rigors of the application make it easy for law enforcement to trace the gun back to its owner via ballistics, anyone looking to use a weapon for crime will be going to some back alley, and buying a stolen or illegally imported weapon from some criminal. The every day gun-owner who goea about the process legally (and thats the VAST majority of us) has no intention to use for harm, unless in self defense.

if you take the guns away from the regular people, the criminals will STILL get guns. its a simple fact, because they are not obtaining them the way the regular people are. who is to stop them?

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Originally Posted by Hebrew Hammer

No shit "automatic" weapons aren't that easy to get a hold of, even in Texas. The right FFL is expensive as shit, no one is going to take the time to go through all the federal rings to drop 10-20 grand on a automatic rifle and then sell it a drug dealer. Assault rifles that are truly assault rifles in the hands of criminals and dealers get there from corrupt and retarded ATF policies and stolen weapons from the US military and police meant for destruction. They may be made in America but they don't come from here, they're shipped right up the border with Mexico along with the drugs. 1 trained person with a semi-automatic rifle can shoot way more accurately than a fire team's worth of dumb asses from the ghetto.

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BINGO. there are no flaws to the argument I made Prospero, mostly because I am not even talking about automatic assault weapons. As the hammer mentioned, you cannot even legally purchase an automatic assault weapon in 48 of the 50 states. They were outlawed here in NJ over 20 years ago. Sure, I''d LOVE to have a Tompson sub-machine gun for the collectability and nostalgia of it, but it ain't ever gonna happen. those days are long gone. Not to sound too repetitive, but those kind of guns are here illegally, acquired illegally, and used by criminalls for illegal activity. Why punish me and people like me because some assholes break the law? those people will do what they do no matter what happens to me and my kind.

Why do they sell sports cars that can drive to well in excess of 100 MPH when speed limits are at max 75 MPH, but mostly 55 MPH? because people want them, and the assumption is that they will be responsible when they operate them. You get more speeders and accidents/deaths because of high speed collisions than you do firearm deaths from people who are legal, responsible gun owners. SO should we then ban Corvettes, Ferrarri's etc from all roadways? Would seem to be fitting if your argument was truly sound.

the basic fact here is that it all comes down to personal responsibility, and you are telling me that I am not responsible enough to safely own and operate a firearm if I do indeed choose to do so. I use the car and kitchen knife example because those are also examples of personal responsibility. maybe the knife is a bit far fetched, but ask John Wayne Bobbit that....

[QUOTE=needsum;982178]thanks for those photos. I'm sure that is the type of thing any and all of us "gun nuts" on this board are striving to achieve. Shall I post photos of drunk driving accidents now so we can compare more bloody, violent crimes? "'



You don't get it do you. Cars are designed to move people around. Guns are designed to kill. The guy who killed all those people in Ohio yesterday would not have found it so easy if he didn't have such easy access to weapons. We control weapons in the Uk and just don't have the death toll you guys notch up. No one is against guns for hunting and sporting purposes but ... well.....

Needsum... I don't doubt that you are a goo guy and I am sure most of the nice guys who post here are responsible and won't go on shooting sprees. But the easy avaiabiilty of them makes it much easier. of course it can happen where guns are more tightly controlled. But.....

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Originally Posted by needsum

thanks for those photos. I'm sure that is the type of thing any and all of us "gun nuts" on this board are striving to achieve. Shall I post photos of drunk driving accidents now so we can compare more bloody, violent crimes? "'



You don't get it do you. Cars are designed to move people around. Guns are designed to kill. The guy who killed all those people in Ohio yesterday would not have found it so easy if he didn't have such easy access to weapons. We control weapons in the Uk and just don't have the death toll you guys notch up. No one is against guns for hunting and sporting purposes but ... well.....

Needsum... I don't doubt that you are a goo guy and I am sure most of the nice guys who post here are responsible and won't go on shooting sprees. But the easy avaiabiilty of them makes it much easier. of course it can happen where guns are more tightly controlled. But.....

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I do get it and you are right in many ways. Cars are indeed designed to move people around. However I point to my most previous statement of personal responsibility. people misuse everyday things to an extent that they were never designed for, such as cars, without thinking of consequenses, and bad things happen, much more frequently than when violent cromes are commeitted with firearms. I am in no way trying to defend the criminal who uses firearms--my point is that they get these firearms illegally 90% of the time, if not more. Controlling the guns here will not end gun violence. There are even statistics that show a comparison of two towns who had oppoiste actions take place here in the US. one town allowed for homeowners to protect themselves via firearms. The other town banned them. The first town saw a sharp decline in crime, while the other town saw an increase. Why? because the knew they would have little opposition when they invaded someones property. I will try and find the article that has this information in it. but one last time, controlling the guns in this country is only limiting the ability for the person who is looking to do things the right way, the legal way. if there was a way to control the criminals from getting illegal firearms, we'd be having a completely different discussion right now... ;)

But thanks for your input. I always like to see things from others viewpoints and try to have an intelligent debate about it whenever possible. Hopefully I come off as intelligent... lol!!

I just bought an M14! Next is an AR or a 1911, not sure yet... Canadians can own guns too :)

Needsum, I guess I am somewhere very much in the middle of this debate.

Of course I fully appreciate that 99.9% of all legal gun owners in USA and for that matter the rest of the world are responsible and law abiding citizens like yourself. I also understand that 99.9% of gun crime is committed by illegal weapons.

The fact of the matter is that if you want to obtain a weapon legally you have to jump throught hoops and declare your inner soul and wait months and they may allow it. But if you have a wad of cash and know the right people then weapons can be obtained.

Its a simple equation in that the higher volume of guns and open gun culture means that there is more hardware within the system and problems with border crossings have exasperated the problem. I do agree with what you say though that there must be so many illegal weapons that re-enter the network via corruption at a higher level, whether it be police forces or military.

I do however agree with Prospero in that why do people need to hold assult rifles and vast stocks of ammo, one previous poster quoted he always holds a couple of thousand rounds of ammo for each weapon. That is enough to start a small war on your own. OK if he runs a gun club but as an individual I can't understand the need for such consumption.

I don't know the answer and as someone pointed out it is in your constitution to bare arms to protect yourself and has been around hundreds of years and will not change.

I like to put my shooting gear on and wellies and get out in the country but a 12 bore does the job, no need for an assult rifle in the UK and lets keep it that way.

Good debate though Needsum and great to hear all sides, looks like I need to book a trip to your place for a week to have a go with some of your hardware. Ed.

Anytime Ed, we'd have a blast (no pun intended...lol) I guess when it comes down to it, one of the reasons why I compare the guns to the sports cars, is that nobody NEEDS either of them; in a practical world, for the average Joe citizen, they are impractical. I will stand by the fact that there are more deaths from car accidents, due to drunk driving, speeding, and recless driving than due to gun violence. I have all these weapons yet I cannot honestly tell you how many years it has been since I shot any one of them. So it is for certain that I do not need any of them. But I enjoy them, I cherish the right to own them, and feel a little better knowing that, should someone break into my house, I can defend my family to the fullest extent possible. I certainly understand the point of view of Prospero and yourself, where you wonder why someone needs so muh ammunition, or even the "assault weapon" itself. I liken it to those people who drive the porches, Ferrarri's etc... they drive them because they can.... (oh, and on a side note, as far as ammunition stockpiles go, the stuff can be pretty expensive. So when you find an advertisement for it on sale, sometimes it makes sense to buy a lot of it knowing you will be storing it, rather than 1) spending more to buy less, and 2) taking the chance that you will be regulated someday to only being allowed a certian amount to purchase should someone get into power who thinks all things are bad)

"Why do they sell sports cars that can drive to well in excess of 100 MPH when speed limits are at max 75 MPH, but mostly 55 MPH? because people want them, and the assumption is that they will be responsible when they operate them. "

It is surely because you get a better performance from these cars at a lower speed. The quintessence of the argument remains that guns are designed to kill - nothing else, cars, kitchen knives etc have that primary purpose. Yes guns should be controlled. the magic bullet though is how to get all the guns that are out there - especially among the criminal fraternity - back. That's rather like getting the genii back into the bottle. But the sort of hugely aggressive remarks made earlier by some posters here - way beyond the mildness of the arguments I'd been offering - is what worries me. Match that level of aggression with a hot temper and a hand gun and you get dead people instead of black eyes.

Anyway i really am not going to post here any more. I recognise that nothing i say will change the minds of anyone here and nor will you change mine - unless you corner me with a gun.

I'm going to get me a water gun that squirts jelly:


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i bet the cops wish they could use guns in London.London's burning.London's burning down.i think i was told London had some of the highest knife crime in Europe and no law and order

im putting a gallon of cum in my water gun and squirting it at everybody

I'm a pacifist, a quiet person and I don't believe in violence.

Just for fun, I like revolvers, .22, small and with concealed hammer.

I saw the Smith & Wessons:

• Model 351 C - 7 Rounds - .22 Magnum® - Internal Hammer
• Model 43 C - 8 Rounds - .22 LR - Internal Hammer

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Go B1
Fukker, whatever the topic, it'd nice to see you posting again!
Cheer us all up, tell us about *your* miseries! :hide-1:

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Yah, been a stressful and tiring year and I haven't been posting much. My list of miseries is pretty long, but not quite as bad as it was a year ago. Still causes me to lose sleep though. I hope to have a 'date night' next week, so I'll be in a better frame of mind after that. :)

On topic: I really have been thinking of taking up re-loading as a 'hobby'. Lord knows that most of my neighbors are armed to the teeth and could use such a service. I've become a bit of a fan of Larry Potterfield of Midway USA and think that PBS should sign him on as the new generation's 'Mr. Rogers'. Talk about 'separated at birth'. :) Re-loading is a basic, assembly line activity that would satisfy my OCD and keep me on a friendly level with the local militia.

My next-door neighbor sez that as long as the blowout wall on the shed faces away from his property he's all for my new hobby.

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im putting a gallon of cum in my water gun and squirting it at everybody

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tjinla2001's custard hose would cause more suffering than The Black Death. The first ones to die would be the lucky ones.

I just bought an M1A SOCOM 16. I wanted an M14 SOPMOD, but the SOCOM was available and it is, for all intents and purposes a very similar weapon. Had to add it to my gun family. =)

Armalite remington 6.8 spc.

Squirt gun. I'm thinking one of those water cannon types with easy pump action.

Ruger is coming out with a new pistol in honor of Senators and Congressmen.
It will be named the “Politician”.

It doesn't work and you can't fire it.:wiggle:

That's just damned funny, maaarc.:)

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y80...g?t=1319856476

Finally finished my AR15 (bottom). I just got the lower receiver tonight. I can't wait to take it out to the range and get it sighted in.

I bought myself a Mossberg 535 Tactical 12 Gauge earlier this month, 5+1 capacity. It's got the pistol grip and M4-style retracting stock. I saw some really nice AR-15's at the same gun dealer and was thinking I'll get one next year. I'm also gonna apply for NYS pistol license and get a Glock 17 9mm and a M1911 .45 ACP. Unfortunately about the AR-15 is the 10 round capacity limit in New York.

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I bought myself a Mossberg 535 Tactical 12 Gauge earlier this month, 5+1 capacity. It's got the pistol grip and M4-style retracting stock. I saw some really nice AR-15's at the same gun dealer and was thinking I'll get one next year. I'm also gonna apply for NYS pistol license and get a Glock 17 9mm and a M1911 .45 ACP. Unfortunately about the AR-15 is the 10 round capacity limit in New York.

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I think I love you. :lol:

~BB~

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Originally Posted by kittyKaiti

I bought myself a Mossberg 535 Tactical 12 Gauge earlier this month, 5+1 capacity. It's got the pistol grip and M4-style retracting stock. I saw some really nice AR-15's at the same gun dealer and was thinking I'll get one next year. I'm also gonna apply for NYS pistol license and get a Glock 17 9mm and a M1911 .45 ACP. Unfortunately about the AR-15 is the 10 round capacity limit in New York.

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Hi Kitty
make sure you get your AR with the Hello Kitty Deco :):party:

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Hi Kitty
make sure you get your AR with the Hello Kitty Deco :):party:

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Ehhhh I hate that pistol grip on those Hello Kitty guns.