WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange handed himself in to British police

Latest word is that one of the chicks that fingered him (Anna Ardin) has flown the coupe and disappeared into the Palestinian territories to avoid involvement with this. She's tweeting to support Wikileaks now. His UK atty. can't get any cooperation from the Swedish gov't as to what he is actually charged with and is claiming that Sweden is in extradition talks with the US even though he can't be charged with any known treason or espionage charges not being a citizen. Guess once he arrives here, he can be declared an enemy combatant and luxury accomodations await him in Guantanamo

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Originally Posted by sunairco

he can't be charged with any known treason or espionage charges not being a citizen. Guess once he arrives here, he can be declared an enemy combatant and luxury accomodations await him in Guantanamo

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Oo yeah. I keep forgetting that a non-U.S. citizen can't actually commit treason. Damn, sucks to be him.

~BB~

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Originally Posted by lisaparadise

nobel peece prize lol thats rich

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Obama's got one of those. Most bowling trophies carry more prestige these days.

Im not going to comment on if I agree with what this guy is doing or not because honestly I dont know.
What I do know is this guy is only still breathing because the government wants him to be.....and I am wondering why.
This whole fiasco is front page news......the government is literally giving this guy a platform on which to speak.....thats why I look upon this whole episode with a juandiced eye.
Something is up....what it is I dont know..

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

Oo yeah. I keep forgetting that a non-U.S. citizen can't actually commit treason. Damn, sucks to be him.

~BB~

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Espionage & treason are two different things. Espionage is attributable to non-citizens while they are actually in this country or its territories, which i believe mr. assange is / has not been in since he started wikileaks. Therefore he wouldn't be chargeable, despite what the jackasses on tv are blathering.

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Originally Posted by lisaparadise

im as verstile as it gets but remember my golden rule,,,,if your gonna stick it you have to lick it lol words to love by.

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I like that philosophy Lisa, care to come to warm sunny FL??

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Originally Posted by Paladin

Espionage & treason are two different things. Espionage is attributable to non-citizens while they are actually in this country or its territories, which i believe mr. assange is / has not been in since he started wikileaks. Therefore he wouldn't be chargeable, despite what the jackasses on tv are blathering.

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Obviously I'm speculating at this point, but couldn't they just slap him with an accessory charge of some sort for his involvement with Pfc Manning? Although they'd have a tough time establishing the circumstances surrounding the relationship between the two. The next few weeks should prove most interesting. Strap in everyone. It could be a bumpy ride. :geek:

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Originally Posted by hippifried

No. Their existence was just revealed by a Whitehouse aide during the Senate hearing & they were subpoenaed by Archibald Cox.

I believe you're thinking of the Pentagon Papers. Ellsberg & Russo used their clearances as analysts to copy shitlosds of incriminating documents from the Pentagon (during the height of VietNam I might add) & turned them over to the New York Times, who started publishing them as a series. An injunction (first prior restraint injunction against the press in US history) was issued, but was lifted when all the rest of the papers in the country got them & started putting them out. The espiionage charges were eventually dropped against Ellsburg & Russo.

I don't believe any publisher has ever been charged with espionage. That's all wikileaks is. They didn't leak the documents from the original source as far as anyone knows.

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Less than a dozen people knew of nixon's taping system..

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Originally Posted by Paladin

Less than a dozen people knew of nixon's taping system..

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... and of course he needed that secrecy because he wasn't a crook. :lol:

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Originally Posted by Solitary Brother

Im not going to comment on if I agree with what this guy is doing or not because honestly I dont know.
What I do know is this guy is only still breathing because the government wants him to be.....and I am wondering why.
This whole fiasco is front page news......the government is literally giving this guy a platform on which to speak.....thats why I look upon this whole episode with a juandiced eye.
Something is up....what it is I dont know..

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It was Bradley Manning who leaked the cables and committed a crime. Wikileaks and Julian Assange haven't been charged with anything. (If Julian Assange committed rape, well, he should be thrown in a cage for a very long time.) Now if Assange gets charged for publishing the cables, well, we WOULD need to charge the N.Y. Times and The Guardian and Der Spiegel and a slew of other newspapers and authoress Naomi Wolf, too. As she has published the cables.

YouTube - Judge Napolitano WikiLeaks Rant

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Originally Posted by Ben

It was Bradley Manning who leaked the cables and committed a crime. Wikileaks and Julian Assange haven't been charged with anything. (If Julian Assange committed rape, well, he should be thrown in a cage for a very long time.) Now if Assange gets charged for publishing the cables, well, we WOULD need to charge the N.Y. Times and The Guardian and Der Spiegel and a slew of other newspapers and authoress Naomi Wolf, too. As she has published the cables.

YouTube - Judge Napolitano WikiLeaks Rant

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ben one me over lol what r the chances lol i still think assange is a prick for what he did but so far hes a walkin.

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Originally Posted by Paladin

Espionage & treason are two different things. Espionage is attributable to non-citizens while they are actually in this country or its territories, which i believe mr. assange is / has not been in since he started wikileaks. Therefore he wouldn't be chargeable, despite what the jackasses on tv are blathering.

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The Espionage act is attributable to US citizens since WW1 that I recall. Ellsberg and Russo were charged with it and got off on a technicality. Precedent for a non-citizen charged with espionage for handling US documents while abroad and not in this country was established during the Reagan years by a E. German that had reviewed documents I think in Mexico. He was arrested while visiting in the US and convicted. If Holder has anything up his sleeve, this must be it. The only problem is to get Assange on US soil first which it looks like Sweden might be willing to give him up. Then there is another problem. He's been transversing Europe while all this is going on and not hands on the leak. It can be argued that he's just the publisher. There seems to be a concerted effort both by lawmakers and the conservative media to keep hammering that he's not a journalist to set the stage for this. Either way, once he's on the shores here, he's mud. He can be declared and enemy combatant or charged under the espionage and sedition act and tried in a Federal court of law. Then there are extrajudicial options if they can't get him here.

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Originally Posted by sunairco

Then there are extrajudicial options if they can't get him here.

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YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN.
As if that would stop them being published?

Maybe the greatest trick Wikileaks ever done, was to make you believe that the "leaks" stop with Assange?

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Originally Posted by sunairco

The Espionage act is attributable to US citizens since WW1 that I recall. Ellsberg and Russo were charged with it and got off on a technicality. Precedent for a non-citizen charged with espionage for handling US documents while abroad and not in this country was established during the Reagan years by a E. German that had reviewed documents I think in Mexico. He was arrested while visiting in the US and convicted. If Holder has anything up his sleeve, this must be it. The only problem is to get Assange on US soil first which it looks like Sweden might be willing to give him up. Then there is another problem. He's been transversing Europe while all this is going on and not hands on the leak. It can be argued that he's just the publisher. There seems to be a concerted effort both by lawmakers and the conservative media to keep hammering that he's not a journalist to set the stage for this. Either way, once he's on the shores here, he's mud. He can be declared and enemy combatant or charged under the espionage and sedition act and tried in a Federal court of law. Then there are extrajudicial options if they can't get him here.

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sweet ill be able to sleep better tonight

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Originally Posted by seanchai

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN.
As if that would stop them being published?

Maybe the greatest trick Wikileaks ever done, was to make you believe that the "leaks" stop with Assange?

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oh im thinkin the floodgates are wide open

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Originally Posted by seanchai

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN.
As if that would stop them being published?

Maybe the greatest trick Wikileaks ever done, was to make you believe that the "leaks" stop with Assange?

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I am looking forward to the financial papers leaks.

Anyone who willingly puts Americans, and especially American service members in harms way should get the severest of punishment. It's one thing to publish information to inform the populous, it's another thing entirely to publish sensitive information, for the soul purpose of protesting an event and, or to gain recognition, without any regard for the safety of others. Anyone who knowingly supplied information to this jackass is a traitor to their country and needs to be judged by his peers. As far as the rape business goes, in my eyes, it's irrelevant. The fact he published classified US documents openly to the world is enough in my mind to put the man on trial as an enemy of the US. A terrorist. Regardless of your opinions, I took an oath to defend the Constitution of the US from all enemies foreign and domestic and given the opportunity to have this assclown in my sites, I would not hesitate to pull the trigger.

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Originally Posted by anon451

Anyone who willingly puts Americans, and especially American service members in harms way should get the severest of punishment. It's one thing to publish information to inform the populous, it's another thing entirely to publish sensitive information, for the soul purpose of protesting an event and, or to gain recognition, without any regard for the safety of others. Anyone who knowingly supplied information to this jackass is a traitor to their country and needs to be judged by his peers. As far as the rape business goes, in my eyes, it's irrelevant. The fact he published classified US documents openly to the world is enough in my mind to put the man on trial as an enemy of the US. A terrorist. Regardless of your opinions, I took an oath to defend the Constitution of the US from all enemies foreign and domestic and given the opportunity to have this assclown in my sites, I would not hesitate to pull the trigger.

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great where were ya when i got raked over the coals for sayin that lol but i agree 100 per cent but id rather be the one pullin the trigger.

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Originally Posted by anon451

Anyone who willingly puts Americans, and especially American service members in harms way should get the severest of punishment. It's one thing to publish information to inform the populous, it's another thing entirely to publish sensitive information, for the soul purpose of protesting an event and, or to gain recognition, without any regard for the safety of others. Anyone who knowingly supplied information to this jackass is a traitor to their country and needs to be judged by his peers. As far as the rape business goes, in my eyes, it's irrelevant. The fact he published classified US documents openly to the world is enough in my mind to put the man on trial as an enemy of the US. A terrorist. Regardless of your opinions, I took an oath to defend the Constitution of the US from all enemies foreign and domestic and given the opportunity to have this assclown in my sites, I would not hesitate to pull the trigger.

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You mean like, say, Scooter Libby who leaked the Valerie Plame CIA information, directly risking her and all of her peer operatives?

You do recall he served ZERO time for it, and got away scot free.

And you do recall that all of the info Julian has published (mind you, he did not commit the crime of getting it) has put no one at risk, and people are trying to put him behind bars.

Just putting it in perspective. Cheers. ;)

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Originally Posted by anon451

Anyone who willingly puts Americans, and especially American service members in harms way should get the severest of punishment.

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Can you start with Bush and Cheney and move onto Rumsfield?

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Originally Posted by Nowhere

You mean like, say, Scooter Libby who leaked the Valerie Plame CIA information, directly risking her and all of her peer operatives?

You do recall he served ZERO time for it, and got away scot free.

And you do recall that all of the info Julian has published (mind you, he did not commit the crime of getting it) has put no one at risk, and people are trying to put him behind bars.

Just putting it in perspective. Cheers. ;)

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Wikileaks released a cable containing sites that are vital to security of the United States. Some of the sites were commonly known and others sites weren't known by a lot of people. Even the AP didn't publish the cable because they knew how sensitive it was.

Yes, Wikileaks released a cable showing how to cause serious damage to the United States.

More serious than the Plame leak.

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Originally Posted by Nowhere

You mean like, say, Scooter Libby who leaked the Valerie Plame CIA information, directly risking her and all of her peer operatives?

You do recall he served ZERO time for it, and got away scot free.

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That is because Scooter Libby was not the one who actually first leaked the information. It was Richard Armitage, formerly the Deputy Secretary of State.

Scooter Libby got nailed for actions during the investigation. He was convicted of obstructing justice, perjury and making false statements.

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Originally Posted by notdrunk

More serious than the Plame leak.

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The Plame leak wasn't a big deal and there was no harm done by it. Just an opportunity for her histrionic husband to try to cash in on the opportunity, that is all.