Glad we agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
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Glad we agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
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I dont see a reason why showing somebody nude is disrespecting.If somebody is modeling nude,she is obviously not ashamed of her body.So why should it be disrespectful to show pics of them nude when they are dead?
I have the impression that somebody who thinks that has on her mind that nudity is something immoral,something you should be ashamed of.
The real bone of contention is tastefulness moreso than nudity though. Some of the more, we'll say, 'inviting' pics do not celebrate nudity, they say, 'come fuck me,' and many of us find that inappropriate for a memorial.Quote:
Originally Posted by elo
I'm noticing you're from Europe, as is Seanchai. My European friends are always telling me how much more hung up about sex Americans are. I wonder if that has something to do with it.
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A close friend of Jenna, who is in contact with her family, has relayed their request to me that they be provided with any pictures people have of or with Jenna out in the scene. Please help me help him honor their request by sending any such pictures to me, at felicia_kattt@yahoo.com. I will get them to the family and am helping them to get some kind of Facebook/Myspace type page up so they can share them and read comments, like many of the ones in these threads here, from people who actually knew Jenna or were her fans or shared good experiences with her. The suitable comments from here will be included, with the board information and people's screen names removed.
I hope to have full account information later tonite for those wishing to make contributions to her family to help with her funeral expenses. I've already heard privately from several people looking to make donations and hope to hear more once more concrete details are in place.
Karina, who runs the pageants here in LA and who is also vitally active in the community will be doing a fundraiser tonight at Goddess, at MJ's on Hyperion in Silverlake. She will be seeking donations after the show, so please come out and help out this way if you can.
Buddy Wood has generously offered to give the door proceeds from this Thursdays T Party at Blue Moon Nights on Lankershim in North Hollywood to the family and the dancers for this week, including Domino Presley and Britney Markham are donating their dance money as well. If people want to make a donation to a good cause as part of a good time, come out to the club this week!
thanks to all for all their positive contributions. Jenna's family knows how she is remembered and missed and appreciates it all.
FK
Bella, I went to your site as I had some thoughts I was going to share with you about a memorial as well as to post some very touching comments about Jenna from a News Blog I saw today.Quote:
Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
However, given your comments about the Grooby memorial being less then respectful and your comment that "a whole person died, not a porn star, and that should be memorialized accordingly" I was a bit surprised to see the comment you wrote in your site, when discussing that you did not actually know Jenna all that well when you stated "In fact, the first time I'd ever seen her, she was advertising her services on Craigslist where other girls (probably out of jealousy - Jezebel was a gorgeous woman) would post her boy photos. Despite the attack by her 'sisters,' she continued to persevere, so much so that the next time I saw her, she was already on Shemale Pornstar."
In my opinion, a comment like advertising her services on Craig's list aka escorting opens up a part of someones life that while it may exist, is not something that one would want to be remembered for.
Your point could have been easily made without the CL reference simply by saying something like she was a strong individual who became a success on Shemale Pornstar, persevering jealous attacks by others, like the time someone posted her boy photos on the internet.
I have no problem with anyones chosen profession or how they make a living. I am not a moralist and not one to judge a book by its cover. But bringing up that she was advertising "her services" on Craig's list was, in my opinion is in poor taste in more ways then one and totally unnecessary.
Again, not that my opinion matters to you or anyone, but given the stand you've taken on this subject, I really expected something much better from you. Words and pictures are not all that different and can be equally tasteless.
Sorry, I was exhausted and doing 50 things at once and was typing up everything that came through my stream of consciousness. And again, I didn't know her that well to say a whole lot else, which is why I asked for help to begin with. I went back and changed the post, but since I didn't use any spread legs photos or try to sell any porn on the backs of the fallen, and considering our (I assumed) cordial personal relationship, I would have appreciated it if you had made your suggestion discreetly by email. Do you have a natural inclination towards ambushing people or did you have to work at it? Thanks for nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by LAGent4ts
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I think this post describes the "Bellucci Hypocryte" so well. What else can be added, she's crazy, a hypocryte, needs to get off everyone else' ass and maybe worry about her own messy life.Quote:
Originally Posted by LAGent4ts
So you make a freaking career out of calling everyone in your crazy crusade on the carpet in a public forum. LAgents points out very politely his opinion, which even you admit you were wrong. And you want it sent by private? You make such an ass out of yourself sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
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Originally Posted by shemale-411
lol
And once again Bella tries to be the center of attention and turn something in to a political debate...even when someone passes away shes gotta be in the center of the drama and making sure she gets her points across
We know each other in person, so yes, I expected the courtesy of privacy. And frankly, while he was right that I could have phrased things better, I was relaying a personal story from memory about a girl I always admired for getting through what had to be a tough time. I'm sure it wasn't just the photos that she had to deal with, but whatever animosity led people to publish them in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by shemale-411
And I beg a bit of forgiveness as well. I've been sick twice in the last two weeks, overstressed in my personal life (nasty breakup), and I've been just exhausted lately. I'm just trying to help out here as best I can with the limited resources that I have.
I also don't know about a lot of what happens outside of L.A. until I read it somewhere else, so I'm not 'passing the buck,' but soliciting help. I think that's only fair considering I'm only one person. Seanchai's got a virtual army compared to me, so cut me a break, will you? Where's your offering in all this?
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Umm, wrong thread. This one started first and originally didn't have a damn thing to do with anybody who died recently, but was started to discuss (surprise, surprise) your producer's tacky website with half naked, leg spread girls and porn links.Quote:
Originally Posted by AmyDaly
You might want to get back on topic.
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speaking of tacky websites...Quote:
Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
Thanks for nothing?Quote:
Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
Well, I guess I should have checked here before responding to your pm. But since you have taken the opportunity to try and bitch slap me here, I will respond, especially since it would appear that we apparently no longer have a cordial relationship.
Let's review: An individual in Your community has passed away. You say that you know her (how the hell is anyone supposed to know how well you knew her? I assumed by your initial comment that you were friends, at the minimum acquaintances, otherwise you would have said "I met her once or twice."
There is an industry web site that has been around for quite some time that becomes the subject of a thread. Things are said, criticisms made and the bottom line is that you seem unable to control your relentless attacks about how you see it as disrespectful and should be modified or changed.
I post a comment about my opinions about memorial sites in general, with a few comments about the Grooby site. And yes, I bring up the fact that those who have been critical should take the opportunity to step up and improve upon what is currently the only memorial site (to my knowledge) dedicated to those in the TG adult industry who have passed. While I had you in mind, you were not the only person who was being critical of the site, I did not mention you by name. You call it an ambush I call it presenting you with a golden opportunity to show that you could step up and improve upon what is out there, walk the walk if you will, show that your a "do'er, more then someone who just criticizes for the sake of criticizing.
You respond that your busy and in my opinion, pass the buck back to me and anyone else, because your "spread too thin". Well, cry me a river, we are all busy and spread too thin, but I am not the one complaining about a disrespectful memorial web site. All the while I am still under the impression that you two were friends and saying to myself, WTF kind of friendship is this. Why would you not just get to work and put something together to honor the memory of a person who you gave the impression was a friend of yours? I expected a response along the line of, not a bad idea and I'm going to work on that or no response until you posted to a link to the memorial you put together that properly honors and celebrates the life of your friend.
Then you come back and tell me that you hardly knew the girl and list the reasons and excuses why it should be a joint effort, why you do not have the time, thus sidestepping that golden opportunity I set before you to showcase the talent you clearly have with words and the computer, to demonstrate that your a stand up individual, that there is more to you then throwing out criticisms about everything that is bad in this world we all share.
So I just STFU and go about my business. I get home from work, thinking about what you suggested and go to your site, ready to give you a few thoughts (I'm middle age and not getting younger so I'm attending more and more funerals and have been asked to write my fair share of eulogies recently so I know a bit about memorializing the memory of others) and post some uplifting comments about Jenna that I found on the web, only to see that your Memorial comments all come down to her advertising her services on Craig's list.
Now, call me whatever you want, but I found that to be disrespectful in and of itself and really could not understand what you were thinking, but knowing that you usually have a reason for everything you do, just shook my head in dismay. I was disappointed, pissed off and tired after a 14 hour day and decided to post my thoughts here.
Maybe I should have mentioned it to you in a pm, but like I said, I had a 14 hour day and was pissed off at you, since I really expected so much more having known you from our "cordial relationship", and was actually disappointed. So I am thinking to myself, F this, now I have been made a fool of.
Well, I'm a big enough person to take whatever flame you have planned for me, but it was just a bit hard to understand how you could rant and rave about a site you found to be so disrespectful and have nothing but excuses as to why this was not important enough to you to show that your actions speak louder then your words.
And by the way, while I do not have a natural inclination towards ambushing people, I do however expect friends to honor friendships and acquaintances to be at least honest with one another. I also have a real problem with those who use the misfortunes of others as a stair to climb onto their soap box.
I will excuse myself now to put my flame resistant suit on, as I have come to expect the worse.
LAGent:
No flame, I just no longer care about your expectations. Like I said, you're not my father. Be disappointed all you like. Trust me, I'll live.
Although I will say that if your long-winded, repetitive response had come from anybody else, it would have been 'tl:dr.' All I said was 'thanks for nothing' and you went ballistic. You have no high and mighty reputation here, no moral standard to defend, no company to promote, so why such an overwhelming response, especially considering that I've apologized for my faux pas and explained how it came to be? I don't know, but to be honest, you've made me a bit curious now.
I'll grant you, you've found ways to push my buttons in the past, but apparently I just pushed one of yours. Again, your disappointment is your own. I told you I don't have the time to dedicate to a new project in the amount that you would apparently like me to, and you imply that because I can't do more, I don't have a right to complain about what has been done by others. Well, screw that. I can't stimulate the economy either. Does that mean I can't complain about unemployment?
You need to take a pill and relax, Hulk. I don't like you when you're angry.
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PS: I never represented myself as anything other than someone who knew Jezebel. You got that we were 'friends' all on your own.
http://www.grooby.com/fallenangels/
Added Jezebel to the site. One of the harder ones to write as I'd met her a few times.
http://www.grooby.com/fallenangels/w...rnold10011.jpg
http://www.grooby.com/fallenangels/w...agnum10061.jpg
http://www.grooby.com/fallenangels/w...rubyD10143.jpg
I don't find that f*cked up at all..Quote:
Originally Posted by tsparisangelline
The very first time I ever saw this linked anywhere, was when I thought it is good to spread the information about how there are different destinies for girls involved in the industry - and that knowing these things can help better the stakes for all TGirls.
Personally I do not see it appropriate either to dismiss the consequences or -atleast what seem to be- shady circumstances, that are somehow related to the soulpaths and the lives of these girls..
Didn't see anything "objectifying" anyone on that site (unless peoples lifes work and the imprint they have left in our society, their natural beauty in form of the pictures taken of them can be seen as such), but perhaps I missed something..
The Vibe of the site is cool though, and I see no disrespect personally here..
RIP Jenna, our lost sister
Thanks Felicia!
I assume there is no problem re-posting that information to relevant places?
no, its up on here and on the other board and is also on Facebook and Twitter as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
thanks for your help
FK
I don't find this site fucked up at all. In fact it is the only memorial that some of these girls will ever have. Also in defense of Seanchai, I seem to recall a thread or 2 on this board asking for a site to be set up for "The Fallen Angels" and Seanchai was the lone person who took the time and allocate the bandwidth to do it. This fuckin place always amazes me as to how many people will flame someone first and ask questions later.
Flame the ISSUE IS NOT THE SITE
ITS THE FACT THE GIRLS SHOULD HAVE BEEN DEPICTED WITH CLASS IN THEIR MEMORIAL PICS