the Juliar gillard Labour government of Australia wants us all to live in darkness and poverty.She wants to kill off our industries and our quality of life and make most of our population unemployed lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Ben
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the Juliar gillard Labour government of Australia wants us all to live in darkness and poverty.She wants to kill off our industries and our quality of life and make most of our population unemployed lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Ben
Not everyone. Just you. Since we rule, we can just put the shortages on the mentally inferior right wing wanna-be usurpers & other enemies of democracy.Quote:
Can we make these changes in a way that the "ruling class" represented by lefty politicians and their lap dog media have to have the same shortages of resources they want to foist on everyone else
Thank you for showing the true colors of the left - probably once again. Your idea of democracy most likely includes a single vote for a slate of slave masters and then no more votes are required.Quote:
Originally Posted by hippifried
Are you reading-challenged or are you simply too stupid to understand sarcasm? Just curious.Quote:
Thank you for showing the true colors of the left
I apologize. I was looking at the message behind the sarcasm - that wasn't there. I don't have any love for the republicans either - they love to sit on their thumbs.
What reputable source predicted there would be 50 million global climate change refugees by 2010? Names and specific references please. Where these refugees supposed to be from rising oceans? From growing arid regions? Refugees from the increase in hurricane, tornado and storm activity? Refugees from the increase in uncontrollable fires? Be specific.Quote:
Originally Posted by w1s2x3
The near periodic fluctuations in coronal and solar spot activity is detectable as frequency and amplitude modulations in the radio bands here at Earth, but there is very little effect on the solar luminosity. That's why it's call the solar constant. Consequently Sun spot activity doesn't correspond with any statistical fluctuation in weather activity nor climate. We will not be burning more fossil fuels to stay warm because of a diminution of coronal activity.
Bring it on, Climate Change! I got yer extinction of our species right here for 'ya! I hate this World more than you do! Go back to Russia!
Climate change lives in Russia?
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/14/ice_age/
Climate change continues:
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/20...nimum-climate/
I addressed this issue several times in the past:
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/sho...6&postcount=27
The variation in the solar energy flux is swamped by comparison to the mean flux itself.
[recently ran across this:
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/ba...a-new-ice-age/ ]
hi Trish how is life treating you.Hope you are happy and healthy
Global warming is real, the ice sheets are melting and under the ice "perma frost" there is a time bomb! there are billions of tons of methane under the ice cap, which is 20 times stronger than CO2, if the ice continue melting the methane will be liberate to the atmosphere, then humans will be walking in a planet never seen before.
People who don't believe in climate change, need to wake up! they haven't looked both sides of the debate or they are totally ignorant people!
All the best well known and Nobel Scientist in the world are telling us to stop, stop now or we will fuck up the only home we have, the Earth!
If a doctor tell you that you have an infection and you need to take antibiotics as soon as possible or you will die, you will listen to the doctor, because he knows about your body.
90% of the Scientists out there are telling us the same thing, we are killing our home planet, we need to STOP now when the Earth still have the ability to heal itself from what we've done, but we are not listening.
I have a gorgeous Nissan leaf electric car, the best car of the year in 2011, the best electric car of the year 2011, and the best car I ever had. Brazil 7th largest economy on Earth have 98% of its energy from renewable sources, clean energy from hydroelectric powered plants, Denmark together with other Northen europen countries already have 60% of their energy from green source like Wind and solar powered plants, UK just started the largest wind farm on earth, producing an astonishing 1 Gigawatt and will have 22% of its energy from clean energy by 2018. US just started constructing the biggest solar powered plant on Earth, over 1 Gigawatt. We already damage the Earth too much, the time to change is now.
I'm also vegetarian, no animals paying cruelly with their own life for my stupid pleasure, no agriculture to feed animals to be a beef for me, instead of animals agriculture should feed people, there are millions dying every week of hunger!
DNA have proved we are naturally vegetarians, meat short our life span with many diseases.
Think about it people, for the ones who still don't believe we are fucking your world and only home, wake from your defence mode, and try to see the things from a different perspective. It will good for you and everyone else.
love
Raskia Lorenz xx
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I have a gorgeous Nissan leaf electric car, the best car of the year in 2011, the best electric car of the year 2011, and the best car I ever had. Brazil 7th largest economy on Earth have 98% of its energy from renewable sources, clean energy from hydroelectric powered plants, Denmark together with other Northen europen countries already have 60% of their energy from green source like Wind and solar powered plants, UK just started the largest wind farm on earth, producing an astonishing 1 Gigawatt and will have 22% of its energy from clean energy by 2018. US just started constructing the biggest solar powered plant on Earth, over 1 Gigawatt. We already damage the Earth too much, the time to change is now.
The important point here is that there are practical measures that can reduce carbon emissions, while making the transition to new sources of energy -the problem with the insistence on immediate change is that it sounds like panic, and thus tends to alienate people. I am not saying the situation is not serious, but we need to generate a feeling that change is possible, as much as that it is necessary.
this issue is bringing the socialist Australian government down with a disapproval rating of 83 percent
Really? There's a socialist government in Austalia? And the the Keystone XL Pipeline is a big issue there? Look again, I think you got something wrong.
No a climate tax on carbon emissions which everyone has had a gutfull of and that's why[government] they are on their last legs
Someplaces the revenues.collected from specific taxes are funneled to specific projects. For example, some States in the US dedicate gasoline tax revenues to road maintenance and construction. Lottery money (a disguised poor man's tax) goes to education. Just curious if the Australian carbon tax revenues are dedicated to any particular public service?
Australia is not really a country but a continent, and one that has had a volatile climate for millenia -it's the nature of the place. One of my favourite poets, Judith Wright, born in New South Wales in 1915, wrote a compelling book about her father and the sheep farmers who were based in Cairns (The Generations of Men, 1959) which chronicled the difficulties new farmers had with local Aborigines, but particularly the ferocious droughts which decimated herds, destroyed livelihoods and sent many south never to return. Thomas Kenneally, after the fires in 2009 wrote a typically eloquent piece on the deliberate bush-burning which was practised by Aborigines and inherited by settler communities -none of which endorses climate change but does emphasize the fact that even in Sydney or Melbourne the climate will one day catch up with you -because you live in Australia.
My guess is that the Gillard governmet has opted for Pascal's Wager on climate change: better to introduce policy now than lose in the long term. In any case I can never understand why people would be opposed to the reduction of carbon emissions, to take one policy strand -who wants to live in a gaseous cloud that might kill them and their children and turn the sky a sickly orange-brown colour at 3pm every day?
The fundamental argument, taken from the Stern Report, is that the cost of taking action now will be cheaper than taking it when the flames and floods are inside your door.
The Kenneally article is here, highly recommended:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...-climatechange
no go's into politicians pockets and crushes our mines and factories and makes the workers a little bit poorer that's why they are at 23percent in the polls and a good chance they wont be back for many,many years hopefully
Really? It goes into politicians' pockets? If you're sure about that, then your beef isn't with liberalism: it's with corruption. Liberalism is about empowering laborers, putting money in the pockets of ordinary working folk and sharing the nation's natural resources with every day people, not just the corporations that only want to exploit them. Get yourself some real liberals.
The extinction of the human species, oh no. That's awful. Who'll be here to tear up and pollute the earth for the other species? We are such a NICE bunch we deserve to stay and fuck everything up even more... especially the way we breed like bacteria- as in logarithmic population growth, ahem, not asexual reproduction.
My point being if we want to hang out, we all gotta cool out.
Pigs will be next. Earth will become the Planet of the Pigs. No, wait...it already is. The pigs have everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by NaughtyJane
no our beef is with a socialist inept,and corrupt government that believes in global warming and shutting our power stations down ,taxing our steel refineries so that they go off shore to Asia,taxing our transport and leaving it's workers and middle class in the poo.The governments supporters are the inner city yuppies on high wages and rich university students while our conservatives support the workers and middle class and are against a carbon tax which will harm Australia and benefit our competition Asia which does not comply with our strict pollution laws
Trish you need to understand that after the debacle in the 1970s when Gough Whitlam was ousted in a palace coup, the Australian Labour Party re-defined itself as a cuddly, Koala Bear party everyone could vote for -and under Bob Hawke most did -so successful that Hawke's model was studied by Mandelson and other 'thinkers' [sic] in the British Labour Party close to Anthony Seldom Blair. As in the UK, the end of the Cold War meant that sharp ideological differences on economic, social and foreign policy were blurred (I almost wrote Blaired); this is one reason why issues like Climate Change and Immigration have been so toxic in Australia -they don't really have much else to dispute, other than the perennials like the First Nations, drought, fire and floods. Russtafa's point is political -but economically, carbon taxes and other green initiatives would not make industry more or less expensive: the costs in Asia are that much lower if steel and other industries were to locate it would have nothing to do with Climate Change policy. Labour is as incoherent in Australian as it is here in the UK, I sometimes think they have latched on to Climate Change as a 'defining' policy difference with the Conservatives, not the best basis for policy. Whatever one's fundamental position, Julia Gillard comes across as a ruthless, humourless mistress-of-the-machine that is Australian Labour; a sort of down-under Gordon Brown. Basically most of the liberal-democracies are in a mess, they don't seem to have any new ideas in Australia either. And their so-called beer/lager is also just gas -albeit more drinkable than the stuff off the coast of Western Australia...
I always look at the upside of taxes. I mean, taxes are revenue that pay for schools, roads and bridges. And, too, we have to remember that tax dollars pay for the salaries of nurses, police officers, firefighters, doctors. I mean, we can cut taxes down to zero and privatize everything including the police force. I think that's a bad idea -- ha ha ha! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by russtafa
I don't think there's an elaborate conspiracy (as suggested by Alex Jones and others) with respect to global warming to bring in a carbon tax. Seems a lot of effort to go to to just bring in a simple tax.
I mean, I remember reading about the GST (goods and services tax) up in ol' Canada. Um, 93 percent -- that's ninety three -- of Canadians were opposed to it. Didn't matter. The government of the day just instituted it. There was no elaborate scheme, as it were.
So, if a government wants a so-called carbon tax, well, they'll just institute it. They aren't going to come up with some elaborate scheme that's been going on for four decades. (In the 70s at M.I.T. scientists there knew about the dangers posed by climate change due to greenhouse gas emissions.)
Hell with this, I'm gonna go fuck.
Well, I'm clear ignorant of Austrian politics, but in one sense I guessed correctly: they have no real liberal party...just one with very Blairry vision. Thanks for the mini-lesson Stavros.
Jane, I think you've got the right idea. Fucking is a whole lot more fun :)
Don't forget to pay your insertion tax.Quote:
Originally Posted by NaughtyJane
[QUOTE=trish;997902]Well, I'm clear ignorant of Austrian politics, but in one sense I guessed correctly: they have no real liberal party...just one with very Blairry vision. Thanks for the mini-lesson Stavros.
No problem, but I was referring to Australia. Have you been hitting the bottle again? russtafa can have that effect on people...
So was I, but my spell checker thought I meant what I wrote, Austrian!! Stupid spell checker! Thanks again.
The leading climatologist James Hansen:
The White House & Tar Sands
by James Hansen
Tar Sands Action organized a civil disobedience sit–in at The White House to oppose construction of the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline that began on August 20 and will culminate in a big rally on September 3rd. On August 29 I joined 60 religious leaders and other fellow protestors. I was arrested that day. But before I was handcuffed, I addressed fellow activists who had gathered outside The White House with these words:http://www.commondreams.org/sites/co..._3-250x355.pngDr. James Hansen arrested outside the White House on August 29, 2011. (Photo: TarSandsAction.org)
Let us return for a moment to the election night in 2008. As I sat in our farmhouse in Pennsylvania, watching Barack Obama's victory speech, I turned my head aside so my wife would not see the tears in my eyes. I suspect that millions cried. It was a great day for America.
We had great hopes for Barack Obama — perhaps our dreams were unrealistic — he is only human. But it is appropriate, it is right, in a period honoring Martin Luther King, to recall the hopes and dreams of that evening.
We had a dream — that the new President would understand the intergenerational injustice of human–made climate change — that he would recognize our duty to be caretakers of creation, of the land, of the life on our planet — and that he would give these matters the priority that our young people deserve.
We had a dream — that the President would understand the commonality of solutions for energy security, national security and climate stability — and that he would exercise hands–on leadership, taking the matter to the public, avoiding backroom crippling deals with special interests.
We had a dream — that the President would stand as firm as Abraham Lincoln when he faced the great moral issue of slavery — and, like Franklin Roosevelt or Winston Churchill, he would speak with the public, enlisting their support and reassuring them.
Perhaps our dreams were unrealistic. It is not easy to find an Abraham Lincoln or a Winston Churchill. But we will not give up. There can be no law or regulation that stops us from acting on our dreams.
Tar Sands and Unconventional Fossil Fuels
In a previous post “Silence Is Deadly” I wrote, “The environmental impacts of tar sands development include: irreversible effects on biodiversity and the natural environment, reduced water quality, destruction of fragile pristine Boreal forest and associated wetlands, aquatic and watershed mismanagement, habitat fragmentation, habitat loss, disruption to life cycles of endemic wildlife particularly bird and caribou migration, fish deformities and negative impacts on the human health in downstream communities.”
http://www.climatestorytellers.org/s...-emissions.jpg
Figure 1: Total conventional fossil fuel emissions (purple) and 50% of unconventional resources (blue).
Now, I’ll illustrate the emissions scenario from potential burning of tar sands oil and other unconventional fossil fuels (UFF) as contrasted with conventional fossil fuels (oil, gas, and coal). Figure 1 helps make clear why the tar sands and other unconventional fossil fuels ought not to be developed and burned. The purple bars show the total emissions to date from the conventional fossil fuels. These past emissions, plus a smaller contribution from net deforestation, are the cause of the CO2 increase from 280 to 391 ppm — where we are today. I wrote before, “Easily available reserves of conventional oil and gas are enough to take atmospheric CO2 well above 400 ppm, which is unsafe for life on earth.”
The blue bar is 50% of known UFF resources. Supporters of UFF development argue that only 15% of the tar sands resource is economically extractable, thus we may exaggerate their threat. On the contrary, Figure 1 is a conservative estimate of potential emissions from tar sands because: the economically extractable amount grows with technology development and oil price; the total tar sands resource is larger than the known resource, possibly much larger; extraction of tar sands oil uses conventional oil and gas, which will show up as additions to the purple bars in Figure 1; development of tar sands will destroy overlying forest and prairie ecology, emitting biospheric CO2 to the atmosphere.
We show in “The Case for Young People” that it is probably feasible to avoid dangerous climate tipping points, but only if conventional fossil fuel emissions are phased down rapidly and UFFs are left in the ground. If governments allow infrastructure for UFFs to be developed, either they don't “get it” or they simply don’t care about the future of young people.
Preserving creation for future generations is a moral issue as monumental as ending slavery in the 19th century or fighting Nazism in the 20th century.
Citizen's Arrest on Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama?
George Bush confessed our addiction to oil. Taking tar sands oil amounts to borrowing a dirty needle from a neighbor addict. Fortunately, Congress adopted and Bush approved the Energy Independence and Security Act 2007, which was intended to prevent US agencies from buying alternative fuels that generate more pollution in their life cycle than conventional fuel from customary petroleum sources. Tar sands oil not only exceeds conventional petroleum, but the energy used in mining, processing, and transporting tar sands oil makes it slightly worse — in terms of CO2 produced per unit energy — than coal.
Who would drive a car powered by coal!?
This raises a question: if the Keystone XL pipeline is approved, can we make a citizen's arrest on Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama for violating the Energy Independence and Security Act?
If they were put in the back of a hot paddy wagon in DC and held for at least several hours with their hands tied behind their backs, maybe they would have a chance to think over this matter more clearly.
Real Solution
Let's address a common criticism: “It does no good to stop the Keystone XL pipeline, because other pipelines will be built.” Indeed, pipeline opposition and other stopgap actions (closing a coal–fired power plant, etc.) have little ultimate effect unless we put in place the real solution.
Let me address the following points that would lead to the real solution:
a. 'Law of gravity': as long as fossil fuels are cheapest, someone will burn them.
b. Fossil fuels are cheapest because: direct/indirect subsidies; human health costs not paid by fossil fuel companies; and climate disruption costs not paid by fossil fuel companies.
c. Only workable solution: rising across–the–board flat fee on carbon, collected from fossil companies at point where fossil fuel enters domestic market (domestic mine or port of entry).
d. Larson rate — $10/ton of CO2/year — at year 10 yields 30% reduction in US emissions.
e. 30% of US emissions is ~ 13 Keystone XL pipelines!!!
By year 10 the Larson fee is equivalent to $1/gallon of gasoline. The public will not allow this to happen unless 100% of the collected fee is distributed to the public, which could be done electronically to bank accounts or debit cards. By year 10 the fee collected from fossil fuel companies would be over $500 billion per year, providing $2–3,000 per legal adult resident of the country.
Jim Dipeso, Policy Director of Republicans for the Environment, endorses this approach, saying that it “makes use of market principles, by prodding the market to tell the truth about the costs of carbon–based energy through prices. It would not impose mandates on consumers or businesses, create new government agencies, or add a penny to Uncle Sam's coffers.”
Further: “Businesses would seek out more opportunities to improve their energy efficiency. Other businesses would sell products and services that enable them to do so. Low carbon energy sources would be more competitive with high–carbon sources.”
Finally: “Transparent. Market–based. Does not enlarge government. Leaves energy decisions to individual choices. Takes a better–safe–than–sorry approach to throttling back oil dependence and keeping heat–trapping gases out of the atmosphere. Sounds like a conservative climate plan.”
How could this be achieved, given our well–oiled coal–fired Congress? Not easily.
Obama had the chance when he was elected. He would have needed to explain to the public that national security, energy security and climate security all yield the same requirement: an honest price on carbon emissions that provides market–based incentives for moving to clean energies.
Obama lost his chance for a spot on Mount Rushmore by not addressing the moral issue of the century. He would have needed Teddy Roosevelt's drive and Franklin Roosevelt's ability to speak to the public. A second chance if re–elected? It would be much harder, even if characters like Inhofe are smoked out by then. And it cannot be done with a sleight–of–hand approach, pretending there will be little impact on fossil fuel prices as in the proposed cap–and trade, or with government picking winners as in the would–be “green jobs” program.
The energy/climate matter will be addressed eventually. But will it be in time and which country will lead? There is an incentive to be the first to put an honest price on carbon: future global technologic and economic leadership. Europe squandered its resources on government specified inefficient technologies. If the United States continues on its current path, and if China seizes the opportunity to be the leader by putting an honest price on carbon, it will probably mean second–rate economic status for the United States for most of this century.
If President Obama chooses the dirty needle (approves the Keystone XL pipeline) it is game over (for the earth's climate) because it will confirm that Obama was just greenwashing, like the other well–oiled coal–fired politicians with no real intention of solving the addiction (of fossil fuels). Canada is going to sell its dope (dirty tar sands oil), if it can find a buyer. So if the United States is buying the dirtiest stuff, it also surely will be going after oil in the deepest ocean, the Arctic, and shale deposits; and harvesting coal via mountaintop removal and long–wall mining. Obama will have decided he is a hopeless addict.
Have no doubt — if the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline is approved, we will be back, and our numbers will grow. For the sake of our children and grandchildren, we must find a leader who is worthy of our dreams.
© 2011 ClimateStoryTellers
[quote=Stavros;997912]no but "juliar" gillard or prime minister "no carbon tax under the government i lead" is thinking of having along drink with only 20 percent of the population supporting her= the lowest support of any political party ever in Australia lol fuck the socialists/greensQuote:
Originally Posted by trish
As John Ralston Saul points out, "... if there's a 50-50 chance of global warming (caused by humans) then that's an unacceptable risk."
The Climate Change Gamble: An Unacceptable Risk? - YouTube
Best scam the UN ever produced lol
It's a dearth or lack of trust.Quote:
Originally Posted by russtafa
I mean, we certainly don't trust politicians. Ya know, why should we trust the government? They lie. Steal. Ya know, taxation (according to right-wing libertarians) is merely organized theft. So, governments lie and steal. So, why should we trust them?
We don't trust the UN. We don't trust businesspeople. I mean, the essence and core of business is deception. And control. So, they lie. We can't trust them.
So then why should we trust climate scientists? I mean, why should we have any confidence in science? I mean, maybe Rick Perry is correct and evolution is just a theory that's out there.
I think that's the core of it. Just the lack of trust, trustworthiness.
As Noam Chomsky articulates: If you do a cost-benefit analysis. As he points out, Suppose the people who deny it are correct. And you do something about it. OK, you've spent some money doing things you should've done anyway. Like more renewable energy and so on. (Getting off fossil fuels will be great for reducing pollution. That's an immediate benefit.) But suppose that the scientific consensus is correct, well, we're screwed.
Noam Chomsky and Bill McKibben on Global Warming - YouTube
If you do a cost-benefit analysis. As he points out, Suppose the people who deny it are correct. And you do something about it. OK, you've spent some money doing things you should've done anyway. Like more renewable energy and so on. (Getting off fossil fuels will be great for reducing pollution. That's an immediate benefit.) But suppose that the scientific consensus is correct, well, we're screwed.
I am not being religion or anything but the above is very similar to what Christians say about their religion.
Suppose people who deny Christianity are correct, OK you spent some time doing things you should have done anyway, go to church, live a decent life and so on. But suppose the Christians are right, well then the people who deny Christianity are screwed.
I know that had nothing to do with climate change but I thought it strange the way the two say similar things.
I said it before, I feel that the whole climate change thing is about keeping people in their place, especially the poor and working class. It is designed to keep more cars of the road by making emissions tougher and making alternative fuel cars too expensive, which means the poor and working poor will suffer.
Where I lived in Maryland, they have High Occupancy Lanes on the highways where people can use these lanes if they have two or more passengers in their cars. Some people are trying to change that where by people can pay a toll so to speak so they can travel in these lanes with a sole driver,, hence,, for the rich and those who can afford it not the poor.
One can give me link after link about some guy or scientist who says that climate change is a real danger, but I will never, ever believe anything a politician says, anything a big business says or anything a scientist say that comes from a university that could possibly have an agenda. We, the people have been lied to so many times buy so many different people, that i gotta say, sorry, I don't believe there is a wolf out there, even if he is there.
Also, until all the politicians, rich people who believe in climate change is a problem, Hollywood stars that believe in this as well, until the day I see them riding bicycles to work or taking the bus like i do, that will be the day I believe they are serious, but as of right now, the rich liberals continue to waste energy so I don't believe climate change is a threat cause the people who tell me it's a threat don't live like it's a threat.
Bill Clinton said awhile ago (after he left office, of course -- :)) that the oil industry has monopoly power over energy use.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yvonne183
But suppose we lived in an actual market system. Whereby the sellers (meaning the car companies and oil companies) actually paid the cost of what they produce. Meaning externalities. The cost to others, to us. In terms of pollution etc. (The point being: if the polluter pays, well, maybe electric cars could then compete. What we sorely lack in our economy is competition. Because large companies pretty much control the marketplace. Which isn't healthy.)
What companies don't do is internalize the costs of what they produce. So, Pepsi produces cans of, well, whatever is in the drink -- :). They make the profit. But who bears the cost of picking up all those cans? Well, the taxpayers. Through trash collection and so on.
Same with cigarettes. Who profits? The companies. And who bears the costs? The public. Alcohol? Who benefits? Who pays the costs. (Externalities are inherent in any market transaction. And it's a profound problem. Like say you buy a car. You're looking for the best deal possible. As is the seller. What doesn't come into the transaction is the cost to others. In the form of pollution. Gridlock. And higher fuel prices.)
Now in a market system, well, a few things have to happen in order for it to work efficiently. You need fully informed consumers making rational choices. You need the sellers, again, bearing the full cost of what they produce. And, also, in order for markets to work you need investment income staying in the country. That's a requirement for markets to work.
And, lastly, savings must be spent on real wealth not phantom wealth. Ya know, building a bridge. Instead of gambling with stocks. Which isn't real wealth. But phantom wealth.
So, part of the problem is that big corporations have such a grip, as it were, over the overall economy. And we haven't fully addressed what economists call externalities....
Chomsky on the Environment, Corporate Propaganda and Externalities - YouTube
[/QUOTE] I feel that the whole climate change thing is about keeping people in their place, especially the poor and working class. It is designed to keep more cars of the road by making emissions tougher and making alternative fuel cars too expensive, which means the poor and working poor will suffer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yvonne183
Where I lived in Maryland, they have High Occupancy Lanes on the highways where people can use these lanes if they have two or more passengers in their cars. Some people are trying to change that where by people can pay a toll so to speak so they can travel in these lanes with a sole driver,, hence,, for the rich and those who can afford it not the poor. [/QUOTE]
Just an addendum. There's an 80-20 rule they teach you in business school. It's that 80 percent of your profits come from 20 percent of the population. So, businesses and governments don't care about 80 percent of the population. We should remember: governments and corporations are not benevolent or kind and caring institutions.
I think free trade agreements (which means the free movement of capital) are designed, as it were, to keep poor people in their place. I think demonizing unions are about keeping people in their place. Ya know, Unions are about solidarity. That working people care about one another. That's a huge threat to the capitalist class, as it were.
I've mentioned Adam Smith before. He said, and it's true, that corporations are going to pursue their own selfish and greedy interests regardless of the harmful impact on others....
George Carlin sums it all up perfectly:
George Carlin ~ The American Dream - YouTube