lol cause I don't remember you can private message it to me on hereQuote:
Originally Posted by ohioboy
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lol cause I don't remember you can private message it to me on hereQuote:
Originally Posted by ohioboy
Oh now I remember...yeah I was mean I'm sorry for that.
its okay. im just bustin ur balls..i can still 'officially' do that. Advantages of a TS women.
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Originally Posted by ohioboy
I don't find that true if they see the looks of a woman they are definitely attracted to..has the personality they want for their woman...and has the voice of a woman. I don't think men are put off at all. I have never had one in person that has been.[/quote]Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
I just find it odd is all. I know how homophobic guys are so it's odd to hear that, at least from my perspective.
Vala,
Who cares!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
I just find it odd is all. I know how homophobic guys are so it's odd to hear that, at least from my perspective.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vala_TS
Vala,[/quote] Vala thats about the stupidest thing I have ever heard you say..and I'm not trying to be a bitch. Just the truth.
Are you referring to the corrupt quote box or about guys being homophobic?
So you are saying they aren't? Since when? When I was a boy back in school a few years back, every guy was worried about being percieved as gay and stuff like that. Of course, being feme, they picked on me and said I was gay, of course, it was just an outlet from themselves being percieved as gay.
Vala,
Okay I am not bragging here since I know most will twist it as that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vala_TS
But Vala I have been living as a girl, since age 12. I served as my schools homecoming queen and also was on the cheerleading team. The guys viewed me as a girl not the first year but after sophmore year things went peachy. And guys are homophobic in my experience if you look and sound like a dude. If you are something they are attracted to and find hot you are considered on their "level" per say or a woman. But if they don't find you to their liking they label you as a "freak" or man.
Makes sense to me :rock2'Quote:
Originally Posted by tsntx
Makes sense to me, if TS status is relevant, like a dating profile. Really it's your business so you reveal what you want, can see Jen's point about weeding out certain guys. I worry my myspace profile will scare off GG women as I look like such a big time tranny chaser/toxic bachelor, at the same time scareing off serious TS women who will think 'cock bandit'. Honesty IS the best policy BUT it's got me nowhere! Now where's those fake pics.........if i photoshop brad pitt's head......with.........these abs...........graft on mr Boner's........Quote:
Originally Posted by tsntx
Ok, none of this makes any sense. You say that they are homophobic, which is what I said then you said they don't care if the girl they're with has the same equipment they have? I would have to disagree, I'd say it doesn't matter how hot a woman was, if she has a dick, they run, run, run! Did you go to some big city school or something? People hated me because they thought I was gay (I never acted manly, I never had any girlfriends, all the "classic gay" school signs), which I wasn't, I was a pre transtion transexual it turns out but they wouldn't have understood that either. And on the scale of things people don't understand so they hate, being gay is more understood than being transexual so none of this really makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
And for the record, I TOO felt like I should have been a woman since I was eleven/twelve. Although, at the time I was too scared/worried to come fourth with that information, plus, I didn't know that transexuals even existed until I was 13 but at that point, I figured that I'd just try and be a man but it ended up not working out so I'm where I'm at right now and much, much better off.
Vala,
Vala have you even dated guys yet as a transexual or just slept with them? I think you need to go on a date a few times with a straight guy before you form an opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vala_TS
I didn't answer your last questions no I went to school of 400 students total in a town of 2500 people outside of Bloomington, Normal, Illinois called El Paso, Illinois most get it mistaken with El Paso, Texas.Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
No, I've never dated guys and never will. --- I'm a Lesbian.Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
I've tried to get dates with over a dozen women and it never worked out(as a guy, not a TS) so I've yet to see how that will go as a woman, but hopefully better than before.
Vala,
Well just trust me on this lol okay. I am sure a lot of the other girls that have posted in here will say the same. That date men.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vala_TS
Really? And was this area already used to transexuals at schools or did you get happen to be really lucky?Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
Vala,
Ok, whatever you say. But make no mistake, I'm just as much a woman at heart as you are, just because I don't like guys doesn't mean I'm not. I'm the submissive type so I am after a dominant woman/TS.Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
Vala,
I voted yes because I think that at least at some point you should come clean that you were born a guy. If you have the personality and the looks, the guy is going to dig you, and if it gets serious, there is always going to be that notion in the back of the mind: "Should I tell him?" Believe it or not, but this is a serious thing for guys. They might be totally turned off just at the thought.
I think that it is best to be honest up front. If they like you, excellent. If not, excellent. The important thing is that they like you and all of you.
That is what I think.
maybe you dont like sex at all, and prefer to be solo.
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Where did I say I never tell them or keep playing what you call "charade" please read before you reply. Assuming makes an ass out of you and me :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by catpower
I don't see it as wrong, at that stage you're only talking and getting to know eachother. I think it may be unfair at a certain point, but if someone's intentions are true then it shouldn't matter in early conversations because they're supposed to be looking for a relationship, not sex ideally, so when they find out there shoudn't be all that much invested or expectations to where they can't just walk away unharmed. I honestly think it's fair to avoid whatever bias may be associated with TS in getting to know the real person.
Now my question to you, you like straight boys. I consider myself straight. What's the difference between someone who is 'straight' but know he likes transsexuals and a 'straight' boy who doesn't know but would be with a TS if it ends up at the same point logic wise. Just curious, not accusatory.
This question goes back quite a few pages, possibly on another thread.
Kelly, you said something about not being able to have any guy you want because of your cock. So are you saying that you want SRS just to fit in or because it's what your truly want? I'm not trying to mess with you or anything like that, I'm just saying, get SRS because that is what YOU really want, not because you think it'll make you fit in. You'll be full of woes and regret later on if this is the only reason you're doing it.
Vala,
Actually Kelly, I never called anything a "charade", that was you. I also was not implying that you were playing a game. The reality is that when the majority of guys think of girls, they think of girls who were born girls. Not every guy out there looking for a nice girl is interested or even tolerant of people who have made a transition. If you don't realize this, you are the one assuming that "finding out" will be ok for the other party.
All that I was saying was that it is best to be honest up front.
No not if their intentions are true and more about me than what I have downstairs The Guard.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGuard
Ah, good answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
No I am doing it for me..if I could of had the change at age twelve I would of done it. What I was saying is most men wont date me due to it..and wont stay with me because the prejudice and drama that comes with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vala_TS
I didn't say you did..when I respond I am responding for all the other also at the same time. I never said that some haven't reacted badly to it..but not a lot I will say that.Quote:
Originally Posted by catpower
I voted "yes." And my reasoning is as follows:
1. Whenever you do not tell the truth about something, there is something "wrong," period. The question is, however, what is the DEGREE of wrong?
2. The degree depends somewhat on the result. And the result depends on the circumstances and how you feel and the other person feels at the time. If you see the person is merely flirting and is looking for adventure, well then maybe the deception won't lead to anything more than a sligtly more than harmless misunderstanding.
3. But if you realize that the person is seriously into the object of the deception, then you might be setting them up for a serious fall--the degree of wrong here is heigtened.
4. The problem with this degree thing, however, is that it requires you to be somewhat of a mind reader and in doing so you inevitably find yourself treading out on thin ice more often than you'd maybe want to.
5. As a consequence, the safest course is to avoid any degree of "wrong" at all times... But that ain't fun, is it?
6. Still---just how "wrong" it is depends on your own sensibilities and the context of the encounter. Ever notice how when a man with a girlfiend meets an attractive woman he does not mention his girlfirend---it's because he is indulging a fantasy at the expense of this newly met attractive creature. On the other hand, when he meets someone unattractive (to him) he talks about his girlfriend with immediate dispatch... Thus he uses deception when he wants to gratify a fantasy and maintain the possibility of sexual tension--but it is only on his terms.... Whenever two people meet and a deception is being maintained to create an attraction on only one of the person's terms at the expense of the other--there is something wrong about that---in my opinion.
Im also on many Straight sites and i put female because: 1) i see my self as a female 2) i wouldnt be bothered with any1 that doesnt see me as a female. i think aslong as u tell them, theres nothing wrong with it
Who said anything about not telling the truth?Quote:
1. Whenever you do not tell the truth about something, there is something "wrong," period. The question is, however, what is the DEGREE of wrong?
I am a girl, if I say I am a girl I am not lying.
It's a double-edged sword really, and while you're certainly starting off worse with 'pre-set' impedments to finding a partner, it's still an utterly difficult task to find the right person, especially if you value yourself and aren't willing to compromise. Point is, sure you may have it worse, but it's a difficult thing for everyone, just hang in there.Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
Listen here buster..I've been living as a girl for 12 long years..out in public..going to school..going to work....relationships..etc I think I have the damn right to say I am a girl..and not have to say HEY I USED TO BE A GUY to the world. It's not about that when we first start talking anyways it's a conversation..it's not like I'm marrying the guy or even going on a date with the guy. I am talking to him, but when he suggests for intimate things...I tell him whats up! Can we stop taking things out of CONTEXT please!Quote:
Originally Posted by olite71
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Originally Posted by SarahG
Well if you say you are a girl, and you have a penis, and you fully expect that the listener's underdstanding of the definition of "girl" is someone with a penis, then you are right.
The question is, is that the listener's understanding of the word "girl?" If not, then you are not telling the truth.
Because if that's the truth--then the truth is whatever you believe it to be. But the world cannot function that way. There has to be some kind of objective consensus on definitions of things---maybe in the future the objective consensus will be that T-girls are "girls" per se. But at this time, I don't think we have that consensus.
The guard please I was not looking for sympathy..I was just stating my reasoning. I have come to grips with why my relationships didn't work out. It wasn't because of me as a person. It was because of what I had downstairs.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGuard
Olite lying would be...if the guy asks in the first sentence or second sentence.. Did you used to be a man? And then you reply NO..thats lying and deceit.Quote:
Originally Posted by olite71
I don't see that as valid logic.... you are assuming the other person's definitions are accurate or comprehensive... which is not always the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by olite71
Lying is intentionally saying something you yourself know to be false (or so has been my impression). Since I know I am a girl, I am not intentionally giving false information by saying that I am a girl.
No, not sympathy - It's just I can understand where you'd have a certain amount of frustration given a catch-22 type of situation to your dating life, that's all. Christ, I'm disillusioned after growing sick of vapid sorority girls - just makes my dating problems seem trivial. So thanks for that :lol: (thought I'd asshole it up after the gayass sympathy)Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyShore
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Originally Posted by KellyShore
If you are so certain about your "damned" right" would have never have started this thread. This thread suggests that you feel misgivings about it.
And I did not take anything out of context. If you think that all your dates out there who are male define a "girl" as someone with a penis--then you have every right to call yourself a girl and not think you are lying about it.
But do you really believe that? And you are right about what you're rights are--but rights are not in a vacuum--when your right to say something may mislead somebody your rights clash with their rights.
Does a man who calls you and defines girls as only "biological girls" have the right to be told that? That is the question.
It is interesting that you say "out of context" because the behavior you describe is taken "out of the context"....You are taking yourself, out of the context of the rights of those who are relying on the information you give them, instead saying: "I have the right to say I'm a girl," no matter what rights they have to rely on what you say.
You see everything changes when another person's rights and expectations are broght to bear. Sure in a vacuum you have the right to sing to the heavens that you are a girl---I have no disagreement with that whatsoever.
Olite you really put too much into the internet sweety, I made the thread for people's opinion. I do what I do with out others making it for me. I just wanted to start a topic that may be interesting to others. And see if girls did the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by olite71