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So everyone on this thread is upset because of a miss spelled word?
If we spent that same amount of money we would spend on a wall over time on border patrol, it would be more effective in combating illegal immigration. The vast majority of migrants are coming to the United States for economic reasons and are not seeking to harm anyone. I lived in Southern California growing up and there were large numbers of itinerant workers who were undocumented. I never felt the least bit threatened by them but we do have immigration laws and a right to enforce them. I am aware that Trump and others have highlighted some crimes committed by illegal aliens, but these are crimes that are also committed by American citizens, who are justifiably punished when they commit them.
This is an article on crime rates of foreign born v. native born individuals in the U.S. The author says it's difficult to compare directly undocumented immigrant crime rate to american born, but indications are that undocumented individuals may commit less crime on average.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...ting/30159479/
The only thing the wall does is symbolize to Mexico that we don't want normal relations with them. We benefit from trade with Mexico every year notwithstanding the fact that we have a trade deficit with them. Trump seems to believe that we only benefit from trade when we export more than we import from a country, but that's not how trade works. Trade allows us to allocate our resources towards those industries that are strongest in our country, even if we source some goods from other countries. Funding the wall with a tariff on Mexican goods would place a tax on American consumers who purchase either finished goods from Mexico or products made with inputs from Mexico.
If the idea is to prevent illegal immigration and not stigmatize Mexico or damage relations with them, border security is the way to go, not a wall.
As far as terrorism is concerned, we have not had any major acts of terrorism from anyone infiltrating our southern border. And if a wall is not any more effective in protecting that border than officers looking for illegal migrants, then why build it?
https://www.wired.com/2017/01/wall-a...o-matter-pays/
This is an article on cost effectiveness of building a wall v. other technological methods of patrolling the border, with the use of manpower and radar devices to detect movement. A wall is easy to circumvent and does not even defray many human costs. I've read elsewhere that the wall also runs into difficult issues of eminent domain, as it would require the government to confiscate private land to build it. I'm going to start a new thread for Trump policies.
Probably just me, but having produced copy for corporate clients I know that spelling the simplest of words is precisely the kind of error that sticks out, and would be ashamed to see it happen if I was responsible, but always took steps to make sure it didn't. This is the Government of the USA we are talking about, which has produced documents that not only contain basic spelling mistakes, the people responsible evidently don't use a spell-check built into their word-processing software, and don't proof read the documents before they are sent to print or publication. At the very least it is unprofessional, and suggests to me that the people concerned are either just no good with English, or don't care.Quote:
Originally Posted by AshlynCreamher
Donald Trump 5 January 2012
President @BarackObama's vacation is costing taxpayers millions of dollars. Unbelievable!
Average annual cost of President Obama's trips: $12.1.1 million
Cost of President Trump's trips after one month: $11.3 million
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7586261.html
I'm not technical expert but it seems there is a perfectly reasonable explanationQuote:
Originally Posted by AshlynCreamher
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...athan-goulding
I've no idea why your last sentence is relevant. Obviously the certificate posted online had to be an electronic copy - not the original document.
Donald Trump 14 October 2014
Can you believe that,with all of the problems and difficulties facing the U.S., President Obama spent the day playing golf.Worse than Carter
http://www.salon.com/2017/02/13/dona...dents-golfing/
Donald Trump, first month in office as President, Jan-Feb 2017
Golf—25 hrs
Foreign relations—21 hrs
Tweeting—13 hrs
Intel briefings—6
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7598396.html
Donald Trump, speech to Congress, 1st March 2017
We are blessed to be joined tonight by Carryn Owens, the widow of a U.S. Navy Special Operator, Senior Chief William "Ryan" Owens. Ryan died as he lived: a warrior, and a hero --- battling against terrorism and securing our Nation....Ryan's legacy is etched into eternity. For as the Bible teaches us, there is no greater act of love than to lay down one's life for one's friends. Ryan laid down his life for his friends, for his country, and for our freedom --- we will never forget him.
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/28/po...ipt-full-text/
Words for a dead American, but not one single word of support or sympathy for the Yemen where millions are without food, water and a place to live -Trump could not even find time to mention the word Yemen, or to shower praise and support for 'one's friends' in Saudi Arabia, the GHQ of global Islamist terrorism. Maybe someone should tell Mr Trump that the last time the USA backed Saudi Arabia in a war to decide who forms a government in the Yemen, it began in 1962 and ended in failure in 1970. And maybe he could explain how destroying homes, businesses and lives in the Yemen protects America?
https://www.caat.org.uk/campaigns/st...ng-saudi/yemen
But as the English conservative Edmund Burke once said, Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.
Along with all the rest of the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
"Owens didn’t die in a highly successful mission to defeat al-Qaida once and for all. He was part of a firefight that killed 30 civilians, has yet to produce a shred of useful intelligence and was approved by Trump over a candlelit dinner. US military officials said that the operation was approved without sufficient intelligence, ground support or back up preparations."
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...sorry-a7606266.
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Originally Posted by trish
Burke also said "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"
Fine words from a man who graduated from military college, then avoided the draft for Vietnam through a series of college deferments and then a medical diagnosis of bone spurs in his heel that magically cleared up afterwards. And then had the temerity to criticise John McCain, who was shot down and spent 5 years in a Hanoi prison, for getting captured.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
Actually, that quote about history is generally attributed to George Santayana.
It is one of those quotes that has been embellished as well such as 'those who cannot remember their own history are doomed to repeat its mistakes'. What Santayana actually wrote was “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" (Life of Reason, Vol 1) and some now claim Burke never wrote the quote in the exact words I cited but did say in Reflections on the Revolution in France: People will not look forward to prosperity who never look backward to their ancestors." A textual analysis of Burke's writing also reveals he never wrote "The only thing needed for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing", but there may be variations on this, the closest appears to be from Thomas Jefferson: All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent."Quote:
Originally Posted by filghy2
I am as guilty as others in poaching quotes on the assumption I know where they come from. And then sometimes it transpires nobody knows, probably because people take something from a book and twist it for their own purposes, but I guess that is the joy of writing and researching the truth...elusive as that can often be.
Calamity Sean at it again:
2nd March 2017 10.58am:
The Senate confirmed @realDonaldTrump as the next Secretary of @HUDgov
Followed soon after by
The Senate has confirmed @RealBenCarson as @realDonaldTrump 's Secretary of @HUDgov
As one internet wag put it
I think someone handed him the wrong envelope pic.twitter.com/nbJxcAmShT
https://www.indy100.com/article/sean...istake-7608116
At least we can be sure Ben Carson is real...
The nearest quote that can be found in Burke's writings is "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." (Thoughts on the Cause of the Present Discontents) Not quite the same thing, and not nearly as punchy. http://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/12/04/good-men-do/Quote:
Originally Posted by martin48
Donald Trump, 3rd of March 2017 tweeting on the day he visited St Andrews Catholic School, Orlando Florida
“I hear by demand a second investigation, after Schumer, of Pelosi for her close ties to Russia, and lying about it."
I hereby declare that Donald Trump is going to take some spelling lessons.— President Bannon (@PRESlDENTBANNON) March 3, 2017
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/03/donald-trump-runs-twitter-trouble-repeated-spelling-errors-attempt/
Where would we be without .....
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Originally Posted by filghy2
I wonder whether Edmund Burke has ever said anything that someone else didn't say better:)
I think you are probably right, Burke is recalled as one of the first 'conservative' 'thinkers' which is why he is used as a source. When students do a course in political theory/philosophy they have a 'canon' to get through, from Plato and Aristotle through Augustine and Aquinas to Machiavelli, Bentham, Mill and Marx, and although Burke was not a philosopher he makes it where other conservatives, like Kant do not as they did not concern themselves with government.Quote:
Originally Posted by broncofan
Donald Trump 4 March 2017
How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones during the very sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...efore-election
You have to wonder how people react to a President unable to spell a three letter word. 'That's just Donald' some might say, just as his 'locker-room' talk was just that. But the White House is not a locker-room, and Trump is President of the USA, not the host of a late-night chat show. I don't know how anyone can take him seriously.
But don't worry, help is at hand -Tony Blair has had meetings with Trump -three so far- and Blair may become a 'special envoy'. Blair's position will probably be -the Presidency looks foolish under Trump but I can tutor him and make it look more serious. Curiously this either suggests he has repaired his relations with Trump insider Rupert Murdoch (the Dirty Digger may even have been the facilitator and Blair is godfather to Murdoch's daughter Grace but maybe the two fell out when Tony snuck into Wendi's bed a few years ago). Or, even more perversely, Murdoch may not be behind this at all, and it is Blair competing with Murdoch for influence in the White House.
Maybe this is just a late night tv show...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...e-amid-claims/
Why not - it worked so well with Bush and Iraq
It may be Jared Kushner rather than Murdoch who is behind it. Not sure his record with 'the Quartet' is worthy of their praise but as Trump doesn't read he won't know what isn't told to him in three letter words.
The Quartet today expressed its deep appreciation to Tony Blair as he plans to step aside as the Quartet’s Representative.
As the Quartet’s envoy on the ground during the last eight years, Mr. Blair demonstrated an unwavering commitment to the cause of Israeli-Palestinian peace and made lasting contributions to the effort to promote economic growth and improve daily life in the West Bank and Gaza.
The Quartet thanks Mr. Blair for his remarkable service and reaffirms its commitment to advancing peace and prosperity for Israelis and Palestinians.
http://www.quartetrep.org/page.php?i...6088302Y5ce66e
Blair's London office has issued a statement saying that the report in the posts above is not true.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...e-amid-claims/
If you are headed down Cheapside on the way to the Bank of England, and turn left onto Milk Street you will find cartographic evidence of the links between Donald Trump and the Russians...
Attachment 997863
It is a good thing for an uneducated man to read books of quotations.
Winston Churchill
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Originally Posted by Stavros
You can always rely on a pompous braggart like Churchill to grab learning by the throat and drag it down into the sewer where he wallows in his turds convinced the British Empire will last for a thousand years.Quote:
Originally Posted by martin48
Yeap, I can see this in the Oxford Book of Quotations
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Originally Posted by Stavros
Donald Trump, 7th March 2017
122 vicious prisoners, released by the Obama Administration from Gitmo, have returned to the battlefield. Just another terrible decision!
Reporter Carol Rosenberg -- who covers Guantanamo Bay for the Miami Herald-
"Wrong POTUS, @realDonaldTrump," Rosenberg wrote. "Your intel agencies report shows Bush released 113 of the 122 re-engagers from Gitmo."
https://www.aol.com/article/news/201...gers/21875207/
Trump did not read the whole of the intel report. One is surprised he read it at all.
Parallel Universes – Image shows re-tweet links to news items in the US during the election. Hilary supporters are blue, Donald’s in red. Blues get their news from Washington Post, etc. Reds from Breitbart, etc. Little crossing over. Research by University of Columbia. There are two societies with little interconnect. Banging on about the obvious failings of Trump and his coterie is not going to be heard by anyone expect by the like-minded.
In which case I will desist, though it is hardly my fault if Trump's supporters are too cowardly to respond in support of their idol.Quote:
Originally Posted by martin48
I think you are being too pessimistic. People who retweet are more likely to be those with strong priors in the first place. Even so there is still a significant purplish area on that diagram. It has always been the case that most of the electorate is firmly attached to one side or the other. Elections are determined by the 10-20 per cent in the middle who are open to changing their minds. I doubt that too many of the people in the red zone would have been voting for Obama previously.Quote:
Originally Posted by martin48
You're all still proving Abe Lincoln correct. Look up the Article by William Safire.Quote:
Originally Posted by broncofan
welp: this ended up being incorrect.Quote:
Originally Posted by chupapau
I wonder how many actual presidencies (where the US has a President as opposed to whatever the fuck Comrade Trump is) it will take before the rest of the world views that office as anything less than a joke again?