Fuck You AVN!

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Originally Posted by nysprod

So what you're saying is that 100's of millions of dollars are being wagered on the guess of which gangbang scene will make money and which will not?

No, that's not the answer.

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Yeah you clearly don't get it.
It's a common business model in the "real" world. Devalue a business or a type of business either by under-cutting or giving away for next to nothing and when there is no competition, or you've bought it all, then up the prices and close down the free outlets.

BTW - it's highly unlikely that Fabian is the "owner" of Manwin - that would mean in about 6 yrs he managed to raise $100M from the banks when the banks weren't lending. There is also a strong rumour he's just been replaced.

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Originally Posted by seanchai

Yeah you clearly don't get it.
It's a common business model in the "real" world. Devalue a business or a type of business either by under-cutting or giving away for next to nothing and when there is no competition, or you've bought it all, then up the prices and close down the free outlets.

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But the free outlets haven't been closed down...actually, there probably are more of them. Aside from that, governments typically don't allow such monopolies in the "real" world. Verizon can't buy AT&T.

Something's still missing.

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Originally Posted by LibertyHarkness

the big tube sites generate millions of dollars in advertising per year ... they simply sell advertising not porn ... its all about advertising .

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No non-porn business advertises on free porn tube sites that I've ever seen...which have you?

they generate millions of dollars in adult companies advertising .. come now use some logic here .. Webcam sites, novelty toys, adult dating sites, escort sites etc you will see vast numbers advertising ..

take live jasmin as a prime example of paid advertisement. they are everywhere haha, speculate to accumalate

Go contact some big tubes about sponsership rates for primarly adverts on the sites and see what the costs are that they quote you :) they have some mad advertising deals for people ..in ways they offer site/product placements ..

one of my escort clients owns a large adult dating company across europe/uk ..they spend a fortune on advertisement with some tube sites to get them the signups of members .. then market their own wares into them etc

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Originally Posted by LibertyHarkness

they generate millions of dollars in adult companies advertising .. come now use some logic here .. Webcam sites, novelty toys, adult dating sites, escort sites etc you will see vast numbers advertising ..

take live jasmin as a prime example of paid advertisement. they are everywhere haha, speculate to accumalate

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Except for adult dating sites, including LJ, I've never seen those others...besides, we're not talking about millions in advertising but 100's of millions...

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Originally Posted by nysprod

So what you're saying is that 100's of millions of dollars are being wagered on the guess of which gangbang scene will make money and which will not?

No, that's not the answer.

And the reason that no paysite ever thought about setting up their own freesite in order to drive traffic to their paysite is...what?

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It's not about choosing which will make them money Vegas style. It's about giving away that which is owned by others as a loss-leader to profit from that which is owned by the tube site owner. As Steven said, there's also money in commissions and advertising revenues.

~BB~

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Originally Posted by LibertyHarkness

one of my escort clients owns a large adult dating company across europe/uk ..they spend a fortune on advertisement with some tube sites to get them the signups of members .. then market their own wares into them etc

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So what's all that bit about free sites buying the paysites...what's that all about...if they're stealing content from paysite producers with little or no legal repercussion, why buy the paysites?

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Originally Posted by nysprod

So what's all that bit about free sites buying the paysites...what's that all about...if they're stealing content from paysite producers with little or no legal repercussion, why buy the paysites?

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... to either rebuild them, cannibalize them, or just shut them down in order to create a monopoly. This is Business 101. Which part don't you get? :?

~BB~

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

It's not about choosing which will make them money Vegas style. It's about giving away that which is owned by others as a loss-leader to profit from that which is owned by the tube site owner. As Steven said, there's also money in commissions and advertising revenues.

~BB~

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Yes, but that goes back to an earlier question of mine...who's going to spend 100's of millions of dollars setting up free sites and buying paysites in the hope that people getting something for free are then going to turn around and buy it?

It's like, you've already damaged the paysites' business by giving content away for free...then, you're going to spend money buying that paysite and continue to damage it by giving content away for free on the theory that people getting free content are all of a sudden going to buy it?

No.

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Originally Posted by nysprod

But the free outlets haven't been closed down...actually, there probably are more of them. Aside from that, governments typically don't allow such monopolies in the "real" world. Verizon can't buy AT&T.

Something's still missing.

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Somehow I don't think there's a lot of congressional interest in breaking up porn monopolies. They have better things to not do.

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