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Originally Posted by Prospero

Rally - I didn't say emotional investment. I said sympathy. Just like you'd feel sympathy is some poor guy got shot at a local drugstore - even if you didn't know him. It's common decency. Or is your creed so harsh that you care for no-one but yourself and immediate circle of family and friends?

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this.

i know i am in the minority with such a position, but i really don't care about the common man unless i have a personal and emotional investment in him. this lack of common decency if that's what you want to call it is concurrently the attitude that makes me an exceptional surgery fellow and researcher.

i have been very upfront in several threads where i say that i know my place when it comes to this walk of life...i am a john...i am a client and almost all tgirls I have ever known have been for them to make me cum. since that is the extent of our relationship.... a business relationship where they are paid for services rendered, either online or in person, that's where it ends. i have no feelings good or bad about anyone that i don't care about personally being the victim of a crime. do you think i care about every man or ggirl out there that is a victim of a crime?

let's put it another way....
if a stunning porn star gets robbed, i don't care.
if a stunning porn star wins the lotto, i don't care.
if a stunning porn star wins a AVN, i care because that's part of our business relationship (however indirect the $$$ I spent on their site/material might be in the long run)

good things happen to bad people. bad things happen to good people. vice versa. its just life and really not worth my time to care about because the people that i interact with daily and know personally are far more important than anyone i simply have a business relationship with.

I am bewildered by your attitude.

So unless you knew them personally a family of five - with maybe babies - dying in a fire would not move you? You'd not perhaps feel sympathy for the orphans whose parents were murdered by terrorists? For the widows and families of those blown to pieces by a terrorist bomb? For the children dying every day in Syria? For the wife whose husband is dying of cancer?

And escorts are ordinary people too doing a job and deserve respect.

And to TSDVDMAN - don't be so insulting... a predictable puppet indeed. I am not ahd have not sun their priases. I have crossed swords with jamie in the past. Her attitude isn't often very nice. BUT... she and her pals endured a very unpleasant experience. Their line of work uts them at risk. True. But they are human beings.

I was responding to RallyCola's inhumanity - seen offered in its full repulsiveness in his latest post. These girls are people. Human being. i was offered no freebie and nor did i offer them money. Perhaps they were wrong to ask for monies - but i still think it is mean spirited to attack them in the way they've ben attacked in this thread.

I was simply saying - just lets feel sorry for them and leave it at that.

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Originally Posted by christianxxx

Acadia, you left your top in my place when you stayed here.....so I just donated it to good will in honor of your post here. you're welcome! lol

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Awe thanks handsome! I feel my good deeds are done for the day ;) Congrats on the launch of your site www.christiandoesthemall.com

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Originally Posted by Prospero

I fully recognise who this is directed at. The original request left me a little ambivalent, though victims of crime do deserve our sympathy. But there is something a little mean spirited here.

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Mean spirited? Nope just blatantly honest... so what ur phone was stolen get a used one if you can't afford a brand new one... why should others be expected to replace what was lost cause someone couldn't look through a peephole in a door? thats what insurance is for, I can think of many ways to raise the money for a brand new phone and $500 for rent and none include thinking I am so entitled to just have things handed to me. This is about a sense of entitlement, not sympathy because they have my sympathies

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Originally Posted by RallyCola

i disagree. i have no personal investment so she is not deserving of my sympathy.

just because you see some naked pictures of someone or pay them to fuck them doesn't mean you have a meaningful relationship and that said person requires any emotional investment

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I totally agree, just cause someone see's my naked pic's doesn't mean they owe me a Mercedes, house or even $500 for rent... and although they don't owe it to me, it would be uncouth for me to ask such viewers to do so. Hello people bigger picture! you want a new cell phone and mac book and people are starving... why are you so entitled?

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Originally Posted by Prospero

Rally - I didn't say emotional investment. I said sympathy. Just like you'd feel sympathy is some poor guy got shot at a local drugstore - even if you didn't know him. It's common decency. Or is your creed so harsh that you care for no-one but yourself and immediate circle of family and friends?

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I do feel bad for these girls, especially the ones that did not answer the door, but where is our accountability? we must be responsible for the situations we CHOOSE to put ourselves in. Why were these men at the door? I am so thankful they are all ok, but do I think asking the members of HA for money is appropriate? no, by their own admission only Tiffany had money and a phone stolen so why were the other two asking for money? #ThingsThatMakeYouGoHmm

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Originally Posted by tsdvdman

Prospero..With all due respect (because I like the review section and your contribution to it)..but you seem nothing more than a predictable puppet.
These girls could dangle their cocks at you with the promise of a freebie from across the pond and cry you a river and you'd sing holy praises of them.
I think most peoples sentiments was that of sympathy/empathy for the robbery aspect..and most said "Thank God you are all safe" ...that is the "human response".
However..almost all (except for a few extreme suckers) felt that their solicitation for monies (3 porn/escorts/sexworkers/webcammers) was a low and pathetic gesture..playing on the likes of "human nature" from strangers and chasers like you.

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I giggled out loud!

Well acadia - maybe they shouldn't have asked for money but i still don't think this thread with its harshness was necessary. And laughing out, loud at DVD man's loutish remarks... well that's your privilege.

I have no relationship whatsover with these girls and don't think we owe them anything - except respect as people. I wonder if one had been killed or raped you might feel differently?

your hypotheticals are ridiculous Prospero. good lord bro

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Originally Posted by Prospero

Well acadia - maybe they shouldn't have asked for money but i still don't think this thread with its harshness was necessary. And laughing out, loud at DVD man's loutish remarks... well that's your privilege.

I have no relationship whatsover with these girls and don't think we owe them anything - except respect as people. I wonder if one had been killed or raped you might feel differently?

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Now this is taking a turn towards quacky, We can shoulda, woulda, coulda but we can't change it... what we can change is our behavior... Don't miss the point here! There is a set of fact, a way that things actually did happen! ENTITLEMENT is a nasty things... They should try being being THANKFUL they survived instead of being ENTITLED to your money... Volley to you!

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Originally Posted by Prospero

I am bewildered by your attitude.

So unless you knew them personally a family of five - with maybe babies - dying in a fire would not move you? You'd not perhaps feel sympathy for the orphans whose parents were murdered by terrorists? For the widows and families of those blown to pieces by a terrorist bomb? For the children dying every day in Syria? For the wife whose husband is dying of cancer?

And escorts are ordinary people too doing a job and deserve respect.

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we are getting way off topic here and i invite you to PM me if you really want to discuss this but to answer your query...

no, babies dying in a fire, women and kids orphaned by terrorists, cancer patients and survivors DO NOT MOVE ME.

ordinary people regardless of the job they have or the situation they are in do not deserve respect. you earn respect and just because you are a victim of circumstance does not mean you get respect from me. i think i've been pretty consistent about my lack of respect for that which does not immediately impact me. that is not selfish and it is not cold. it just simply is. my concern does nothing for the victims you outlined nor does it get someone their ipad back so why bother. it isn't worth my time or investment to care because altruism is the biggest farce in our modern society. if you respect someone so much and have so much regard for their present disposition, why not quit your job so that you may be replaced by an escort so they need not fuck for a buck. why not renounce your wealth so that every hungry child in the US can have a snickers bar. Why not donate a pint of blood each day so that we may replenish the stocks of usable supply? Why not open your home to 7 syrian kids who are orphaned? since you won't do all that, but you will give worthless respect and feign concern for someone you will never meet, your empty emotions are enough for the both of us and i will continue not to care either way about that which is out of my grasp, control and concern.

i'll give you another example...i am a die hard yankee fan and if tomorrow jeter's home was invaded and he was sprayed in the face with battery acid my concern would be for the fact that i spent considerable $$$ on a team whose playoff chances were just injured, not the man himself. its just a point of view that not many accept or even understand but its my pov and i'm sticking to it.

Aftr RallyCola's last post I rest my case. No further comment needed.

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Originally Posted by Prospero

Where is the voice of reason here? I take on face value that these girls were robbed at gunpoint. Anyone who is the victim of violent crime deserves my sympathy until proved otherwise. So you don't "know them" so what? I have no emotional investment in them. They're not MY friends. They even be horrible people. But they suffered an assault. They are shook up. I feel sorry for them. I consider that a natural human response.
And those who say otherwise are just a little devoid of humanity.
If it were all lies that is another matter.

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I think you're completely missing the point, sir.
There isn't a lack of empathy here. We're all sorry that they had to experience being held at gunpoint and having their rent money stolen. I haven't heard anybody say anything to the effect of "they got what they deserved". By all means, if that were the case your point would be incredibly valid. Donating money to victims of crime is a choice, not a natural human response. While empathy can be a motivation for charity, you also have to consider that Jamie's public reputation around here is kinda screwed in the wake of her recent statements and actions.

Perhaps the situation would have been different if the three volunteered to cover rent from their other saved incomes and simply asked contributors to consider that they had just lost a lot of their donations; I know that's simply arguing over semantics, but it would have made for a world of difference. However, it's admittedly a bit precocious that while having the money to cover rent, they'd sooner pretend they didn't for the sake of monetary benefit. You may call that 'cutting even', but do you really think they're going to hand extra donations back once they hit the $550 mark? Not likely.

It's also a bit of a slap in the face that while each of us have our own problems in life, the only argument they've been able to muster in their defense is that they only ask for the donations so they don't have to struggle. Everybody struggles from time to time and most of us don't ask for help. That doesn't deserve them charity. Some of us have been robbed, taken advantage of, exploited, cheated, or hurt so where's our shot at free cash without services rendered?

I'm not claiming that cam shows and porn scenes aren't a lot of work, but it's certainly not the same as putting in overtime at a nine-to-five to make up for lost income. Euphemistically, that's like getting a black eye and either asking for a free steak or a free plane trip up to the arctic to reduce the swelling. One is acceptable, the other isn't.

So, yeah... sympathy and donation are two different things. They have my sympathy, just not my money.