Shemales are just men... don't take my word for it

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Originally Posted by trish

It has been claimed there’s nothing wrong with being what we were meant to be. But who meant me to be what I am? God? That’s a defunct idea. The Universe? Like the universe designed the things within it to serve a function and have a meaning. Biology? Chance? At conception my mother contributed an X chromosome and my father a Y. Did Chance “want” me to be a male, or was it just chance that I’m genetically male? Did Nature mean me to be a man in addition to being male? Does society? Is there really nothing at all wrong with being what society means you to be? So because I'm genetically male, does society means me to be, wants me to be a man? To function within the norms and customs as a man? I know there’s a very vocal segment of narrow minded bigots who do? Fuck them. And fuck their self-appointed spokespersons on this board. Can we not be self-determined and take responsibility for ourselves? Can we not be what we mean ourselves to be? Can we not please expect the respect that self-determination requires?

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:Bowdown::Bowdown::Bowdown:

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Originally Posted by MacShreach

Maybe, but he just sounds like a homosexual man who hates transsexuals.:shrug

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That's the pretty typical response MacShreach. But ask yourself why do you feel the need to reach so far in their defense when they don't need defending? I'm sure there are several girls who will take offense to some of the things I've said simply because it goes against the "illusion" and that's just something you don't do. But why would anything I said upset you? Especially when I didn't say anything that should offend or piss of anyone (most notably the parts about how I love transsexuals and I think it's a great thing in itself--incase you missed these parts).

Come on people lighten up. If you want to convince yourselves that they are woman no different then your mother then by all means do that if it helps you get through the day.

Me myself I prefer to live in reality and see there transsexuality as a virtue instead of something that is to be frowned upon. Now who sounds more like the person who hates transsexuals? Me, a person who blinds himself totally from the true self of the person he's dealing with. Just something to think about but I'm not expecting anything other than attacks to come from you at this point so fire away.

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Originally Posted by dafame

Why do people insist on being so deep in their defense of this shit..lol.. Male vs Female is what we're talking about bruh. No need to be so technical because again you're reinforcing this false belief in these girls which is by far the worse part about them. I wish people would stop doing that but I realize also that just as many of them need that false sense of identity, so do many of us men in dealing with them.

Either end you're on its a complicated situation but it would be a lot simpler if people learned to love themselves for who they are rather than what they've managed to convince themselves they are or convinced themselves that the person they love or find an attraction to is.

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the same we "these people" are being so deeply defensive is the same way your being so deeply aggressive about your point of view.
the SCIENTIFIC answer to this question is while we are not biological woman we arent biological men either.
hormones do alot more than just give us boobs and pretty skin.it actually changes alot of ways very crucial internal organs function and look.over time our bodies and organs strive to function as much as a females as possible.tgirls have different sized brains than men (even before hormones),hearts functions differently,prostate shrinks,bladder shrinks,hips end up rotating forward,change in eyes shape,bone density changes,certain sweat glands become in active, and etc
so yes your right we arent biological women but we arent men either..when was the last time you got a mammogram..something you as a man will never really have to worry about but already my doctor does breast exams on me and the pleasure that is a mammogram lies waiting in my future...

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Originally Posted by dafame

I'm not expecting anything other than attacks to come from you at this point so fire away.

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Oh, no, I'd just like to hear your answer to the question I posed.

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Originally Posted by trish

It has been claimed there’s nothing wrong with being what we were meant to be. But who meant me to be what I am? God? That’s a defunct idea. The Universe? Like the universe designed the things within it to serve a function and have a meaning. Biology? Chance? At conception my mother contributed an X chromosome and my father a Y. Did Chance “want” me to be a male, or was it just chance that I’m genetically male? Did Nature mean me to be a man in addition to being male? Does society? Is there really nothing at all wrong with being what society means you to be? So because I'm genetically male, does society mean[] me to be, want[] me to be a man? To function within the norms and customs as a man? I know there’s a very vocal segment of narrow minded bigots who do? Fuck them. And fuck their self-appointed spokespersons on this board. Can we not be self-determined and take responsibility for ourselves? Can we not be what we mean ourselves to be? Can we not please expect the respect that self-determination requires?

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Well now you're going to cause some people's heads to explode.......can't imagine what category they're going to try and plug you into! Thanks for being lucid.

I wonder if your number one fan will feel the need to rebut anything you wrote.......those 1 percenters are quite the rebels y'know ;)

Thanks for the affirmative nod, runningdownthatdream...and you too MacShreach, long time no see. ;)

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Originally Posted by trish

Thanks for the affirmative nod, runningdownthatdream...and you too MacShreach, long time no see. ;)

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Here's looking at you too, Trish.:)

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Originally Posted by MacShreach

Well, in the first place, I'm not your friend, or your 'bruh.' If you are suggesting that I don't know that an MTF transsexual was born with a penis, then you are similarly mistaken.

I'm very happy for you, in that you are so proud of being a man. Are you so proud of that that you deny in others the right not to be proud of it, indeed, not to see themselves as men at all? Perhaps you are rather more insecure in your masculinity than you might like us to believe.

I'm also happy that I provoked you to do some internet reading and hoopefully to expand your knowledge a little. However, you have not really answered my question: AIS women have XY chromosomes, no ovaries, no uterus and no chance of ever having children. Frequently they have testicles, often remaining inside the abdominal cavity, and may have a vestigial penis, depending on the severity of the condition. Similarly they develop secondary female characteristics and their bodies do not masculinise, because they synthesise a natural version of a t-blocker. Now, do you consider them to be men or women? Simple enough, I'd have thought.

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Happy for me that I'm proud of being a man? That was just too weird to even respond to. On a serious note though yeah I found that facinating. When I typed that in and got the definition of it I was like "ah this is what it must mean to be hermaphordite". Enlightning, and yes I owe you for that but again bruh it doesn't have anything to do with the topic. Plus as we both know I just did some research on it now and don't know enough about the condition to have an opinion on it other than the one I just gave you. But again I'm missing your point??

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Originally Posted by dafame

But again I'm missing your point??

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Indeed. Do you consider women with AIS to be men or women?

I worry about Ellery sometimes, just saying.

She self medicates a lot..hasn't really been to a gender identity specialist.

So as beautiful as she is, she hasn't exactly taken time to understand whats going on inside of her.