Thoughts on Obama SO FAR?

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Originally Posted by yodajazz

Thanks for responding to that other post. @tslvrnyc: That's a prime example of what I am talking. Terminology misused, by loading it was misleading meanings ('socialism'), falsehoods, (calling him and idiot), "piece of shit", when he was elected by millions of people who had ample time to judge his qualities. And how is this country supposed to be so great, if the majority of the electorate voted for a "moron, piece of shit"? So does that kind of post really lead to any intelligent debate?

BTW: There are many instances in the Bible where 'lies and deception" are said to be tools of Satan. So I'm backing what I said in a previous post, with this specific example.

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You're right, ad hominem attacks have no place in a debate.

Regarding socialism, I don't think the term is misused as much as it's feared for silly reasons. I like to point out to people when they freak out at the word "socialism" that public schooling is socialist. Should we make parents pay tuition? Socialism works well for some things and for others the free market works better. Society benefits from certain things as a whole, like mandatory free public schooling, and without these things society would be much worse off.

It's amazing to me to witness the range of emotions elicited by the Obama administration from the electorate.

I can't think of a recent President who brought out the level of vitriol and demagoguery that BHO has, and the GOP was on CLinton's ass like clockwork 24/7 for 8 straight years.

Does anyone remember the run on ammunition at gun shows a year ago because there was a rumor that Obama was going to ban the manufacture of firearm shells and shot gun ball bearings??

Sometimes I wish Obama had nixed tarp and the stimulus package just to end Right wing voodoo economic policies once and for all.
WHenever the nation is in the midst of economic stagnation, the Republicans answer is, wait for it......cut taxes(!!).

Leading economic figures from previous administrations, including Alan Greenspan, have come out and stated publicly that not allowing the Bush era tax cuts to expire to the top 2% would explode the federal deficit, but still folks like Sen. Mitch McConnell lie outright to the American people that 'raising' the tax rate of the top 2% would hurt small businesses, and stall the economy, ( problem is most small businesses gross less than $250,000 a year).

I'm reluctant to turn the Oval Office and Congress over to a party that is fundamentally opposed to the existence of the federal government, whose 'solution' to the nation's economic woes is to cut social security, medicare and the Department of Education.

Obama screwed up IMO when he believed he had willing partners on the other side of the aisle who would work with the Democrats to right the ship of State and buoy the economy. How many times did he amend the Healthcare reform bill as requested by Republicans, only to have NOT ONE vote for it??

The GOP is willing to sit on their hands for the next two years if they feel it will cripple BHO's presidency.
We should have had a public option to compete with the private health insurers. Instead we have a multi-million dollar giveaway to the HMOs because the government is going to subsidize in the billions of dollars those who can't afford to buy private health insurance.

President Obama should have started out demanding universal healthcare, then negotiated his way down to the public option. By taking the public option off the table, he removed any leverage he had with those opposed to any healthcare reform.

I agree that Obama had to pursue healthcare reform before the midterms because he needed a filibuster proof supermajority in the Senate to get it passed.

Now the focus is back on the economy, as it should be, but with a divided Congress in 2011, I don't think another significant piece of legislation will be passed until 2013.

The Republicans are willing to burn down the entire people's house in order to get back into power.

Two-thirds of U.S. corporations don't pay federal income taxes, and 68% of foreign corporations that do business in the USA don't pay federal income taxes either.

Banks and companies are sitting on trillions of dollars that aren't being loaned out or spent on business expansion...all because they say they 'fear' Obama and what his economic direction is for the country.

The system has been rigged for a very long time to benefit those at the very top, and there's no way Obama, even if he were so inclined, can be expected to be America's savior.

ANd why is it that Americans expect this economic crisis to be solved in 2 years?? Pure idiocy. If another administration is elected in 2012, they won't fix it in four years either.

WIth the lack of a manufacturing base in the USA and U.S. corporations outsourcing their production overseas, unless a new e-industry sprouts up in the near future, we are all in for a long slog.

A sick, sick part of me hopes to God that Sarah Palin runs for POTUS in 2012.

And, she wins.

Oh, and Obama has governed as a moderate conservative from his first day in office. This socialist, commie crapola is Faux news spin.

Aint nothing free about public schooling...

The fact that he is the first president to appoint a transexual to a position in the White House, he won me over, if he hadn't already.

what i find the most fucked up thing about him is if u disagree w/ anything he does u are labed a raciest

- Pulling resources out of Iraq and applying to Afghanistan..and now the real threat of Pakistan...basic intelligence demonstrated..unlike Bush of course. Average marks.

- He continues homeland security policies put into place by Bush such as wiretapping without due process. Low marks.

- I wish people would "Health care insurance reform" from true "Health care reform" because all we do is juggle money around on the former and don't mandate process with the latter to make health care more effective and reduce costs.

I had more hope for the man when he talked about standardizing medical records electronically. If you've been to the hospital a lot and have had to repeat your medical history ad nauseum to the umpteenth doctor in the same hospital but just a different shift you can easily see a base problem eroding the efficiency and increasing the cost of the medical industry overall.

Paper records these days are an anachronism yet that's what most hospitals still run on and they never talk to each other or trade information without an act of God.

The medical industry overall makes a profit by keeping people sick, in the system, and charging expensive appointments to further sell a tiny, portable, easily manufactured product called pills.

Watch the next time you are in the doctor's office around lunchtime and see the hot young babes the pharmas use to whore up their product and buy the doctors lunch (rolling over all normal appointments of the patients while they are at it) and you'll begin to understand what a big business and setup this really is.

I think the pharmas are now employing more pussy than Playboy, occasionally you see the hot young guy as well. They probably keep tabs on which way your doctor swings.

Overall, there is no accountability for failure and no followup on getting people out of the medical system since there is more money to be made keeping them in. These are real reforms we need, not fucking around with giving free health care to the homeless and illegal immigrants that already clog our ERs every night.

Obama is of average to high intelligence which makes him a thousand times better than Bush but we need more to get us out of the pit we're in. I enjoyed and believed in the pre-election rhetoric of comparing the medical care industry to the old meat packing industry pre-FDA but it's been all talk and no substance concerning reform so far. Having the United States community pay for the homeless and illegal immigrants to enter into this profit making system isn't going to help all the people who aren't getting cured now. I'm not saying that's wrong or undesirable it's just focusing on things that aren't the real problem.

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Originally Posted by CORVETTEDUDE

Obama is an ass, the sooner he goes away, the better. He in an economic moron. Those of you that voted him in, should be completely embarassed by your choice.

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I voted for him and I agree with everthing you said.
The only reason I voted for him was because of all the racist attacks he was getting...and still is....
He is a BIGGER disaster then Shrub and I never thought that possible.

It turns out that Obama’s childhood
mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, was a communist.
In
his books, Obama admits attending “socialist conferences” and coming into
contact with Marxist literature. But he ridicules the charge of being a
“hard-core academic Marxist,” which was made by his colorful and outspoken 2004
U.S. Senate opponent, Republican Alan Keyes.
However,
through Frank Marshall Davis, Obama had an admitted relationship with someone
who was publicly identified as a member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA). The
record shows that Obama was in Hawaii from 1971-1979, where,
at some point in time, he developed a close relationship, almost like a son,
with Davis, listening to his “poetry” and getting
advice on his career path. But Obama, in his book, Dreams From My Father, refers to him repeatedly as just “Frank.”
The
reason is apparent: Davis was a known communist
who belonged to a party subservient to the Soviet Union. In fact, the 1951
report of the Commission on Subversive Activities to the Legislature of the Territory of Hawaii identified him as a
CPUSA member. What’s more, anti-communist congressional committees, including
the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC), accused Davis of involvement in
several communist-front organizations.


UMMM....................just read the book. His buddy Van Jones is an admitted commie too.

He might be the worst back stabbing sellout I've ever seen in my life. He's an absolute disgrace. On every possible issue he has betrayed his constituency in favor of corporate interests and I can't wait to vote against him. My only regret is that I have but one vote to cast against this despicable character.

My only regret is that I have but one vote to cast against this despicable character

Dont worry...........im sure ACORN will count you at least twice!!! Sad...