He sounds really nervous right now.........

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Originally Posted by BrendaQG

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Originally Posted by Realgirls4me

I knew it. ...So all Reagan did was blow shit up the ass of the Soviet Union, as well as this country's citizens, along with turning this country from the largest creditor to the largest debtor nation, leave us with unprecedented debt and homelessness, and basically prove that trickle down does not work. Great legacy that Reagan left.

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In the process defeating the Soviet union without having to fight a thermonuclear war by demonstrating finally the economic superiority of the capitalist system, and freedom in general. Not to mention reversing the economic malaise of the late 70's and early 80's. Which was done by lowering the top marginal tax rate from somewhere around 70% to about 25%, which created jobs and kick started the economy by freeing up capital for reinvestment in the private sector.

He once quipped. "Why has the media stopped calling it Reganomics? When the economy was doing bad it was Reganomics why not now that the economy is good?"

Now we are about to have the government invest in the banks and failing heavy industry, effectively socializing industry, and medicine. Pure bolshevism! Might as well move to China at least they won't make a pretense at being true capitalist while the collectiveize the people.

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How did Reagan "defeat" the Soviet Union, other than being at the helm at the time? It was 40 years of defense spending -- by both Democrat and Republican administrations -- that tipped the scales and led to their demise; nothing due to Reagan. Again, what did his administration specifically do to end the Cold War, something for which this country has never ceased spending for?

Reagan actually raise taxes six times, because even he knew his economic policies were pie in the sky fantasies that would come crashing hard during his administration. Despite those tax raises, he still managed to burden this country's citizens with an unprecedented debt, which every administration has had to deal with since then. If tax rates and policies were so great, why were small business start-ups worse under his administration, particularly during his first term? His tax policies were great as far as helping the richer get richer (You talk about "wealth distribution"?) on the backs of the poor and middle class, but again, how is borrowing and spending on the backs of future generations good for the well being of this, or any country?

"Bolshevism"? You've got to be kidding?!

Oh, and you are living in denial or historically on empty if the only ones you think were calling King a Communist were members of the KKK or J.Edgar Hoover. Some of the everyday rightwing lemmings of hate radio still consider the most rightwing Democrat to ever occupy the White House (Clinton) a Communist. What world are you living in?

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Originally Posted by BrendaQG

A communist is someone who endorses Marxism in any of it's derivative forms. i.e Marxism-leninism, Maoism, Marxist feminism etc.

The only people who called MLK members of the Communist party were J.Edgar Hoover and the Klu Klux Klan. No one else would have seriously thought that. Unless you know of MLK thinking that so called "wealth redistrubution" by force is an acceptable way to achieve fundamental fairness. I really doubt that.

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Wealth redistribution has always been part of the US. Look at the various programs that are still in place, they're not going away no matter who the president is. Since most KKK members would relate to the current republican party(Sarah Palin's rallies, hateful and racist supporters). The democratic party isn't perfect by any means, but it's still more open to people who are different.

John McCain and Sarah Palin would have been much more dangerous to our freedom. Religion fundamentalism is un-american IMHO. Which is what John McCain and Sarah Palin had in mind for America.

I thought he did quite well. It's refreshing to have a President who can actually speak and make some sense.

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READ MY LIPS - - NO BAILOUT!

Let the car companies fail. Let the banks fail. Let the market take care of itself. Let people get foreclosed on.

It will be a tough road for awhile. Some of us may have to live in tents or car for awhile. but as someone who HAS lived in a tent and a car both, you gotta do what you gotta do. I've hunted rabbit for dinner and lived on fish I caught more than once. There is no reason the cry babies of today can't do the same thing.

Folks, we exported all our manufacturing overseas. Then we went on a 5 year buying spree and exported all our MONEY overseas. The only thing we sell is Big Macs and information, and then we exported our tech jobs to India.

What the fuck do you expect to happen?

Let's not destroy our currency value on top of everything else.

They need to do what we did in the early 90's which is a Resolution Trust Corporation. (A bad bank, if you will.) They will take the assets of failed banks, sell them off. Depositors will be protected. Strong regional banks will survive this - because many did NOT make stupid loans on over priced property hoping to get out before the bust.

If B of A and the big banks fail, maybe it's time to get rid of them. The regionals will grow into their place. If GM and Ford fail - Toyota and Honda will take up the slack. Just make sure they make the damn things in the USA.

And if Wal Mart fails - - then god help us all...

Giggle,
TS Jamie :-)

A lot of republicans seem to think they are suppose to live in America and not pay taxes. I pay a good amount in both income and property tax. But I'm not whining like Joe "the fake plumber" who would be paying a lot less than me.

No modern country can survive without taxation.

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Originally Posted by justatransgirl

I thought he did quite well. It's refreshing to have a President who can actually speak and make some sense.

However...

READ MY LIPS - - NO BAILOUT!

Let the car companies fail. Let the banks fail. Let the market take care of itself. Let people get foreclosed on.

It will be a tough road for awhile. Some of us may have to live in tents or car for awhile. but as someone who HAS lived in a tent and a car both, you gotta do what you gotta do. I've hunted rabbit for dinner and lived on fish I caught more than once. There is no reason the cry babies of today can't do the same thing.

Folks, we exported all our manufacturing overseas. Then we went on a 5 year buying spree and exported all our MONEY overseas. The only thing we sell is Big Macs and information, and then we exported our tech jobs to India.

What the fuck do you expect to happen?

Let's not destroy our currency value on top of everything else.

They need to do what we did in the early 90's which is a Resolution Trust Corporation. (A bad bank, if you will.) They will take the assets of failed banks, sell them off. Depositors will be protected. Strong regional banks will survive this - because many did NOT make stupid loans on over priced property hoping to get out before the bust.

If B of A and the big banks fail, maybe it's time to get rid of them. The regionals will grow into their place. If GM and Ford fail - Toyota and Honda will take up the slack. Just make sure they make the damn things in the USA.

And if Wal Mart fails - - then god help us all...

Giggle,
TS Jamie :-)

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I agree with most of what you wrote....but if GM and Ford fail, Toyota and Honda would most likely go down too. At least in the US.

No Taxation without representation though, bitches!

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Originally Posted by DarkThanos

Libertarians are fiscally conservative and socially liberal....Bush was the complete opposite...big spending and pandering to the Christian Right...what are you talking about, Coroner????

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I´m not talking about liberals. I was talking about the Laissez-faire society concept, the false individual freedom in which everyone with power and money has the right to fuck you in the ass. This is the economic part and has nothing to do with being liberal, like endorsing abortion, same-sex marriage etc.
Bush and Reagan are the best examples for what I´m talking about. Reagan is responsible for the still perpetual alliance between Republicans and the Christian Right. Bush only determined it.

So instead of what you call false individual freedom. You would rather be a collectivized slave of the cruelest master imagineable, the federal GOVT.

@Justatransgirl.

I totally agree with that. Making our currency as worthless as a ruble or Chinese Yuan Remimbi (sp?) is not the way.

Going bankrupt and starting overagain is the way.

I have an uncle who now has gone bankrupt four or five times. This latest time, he had built up to owning a couple whole neighborhoods of rental houses and apartments, lost em all because democrats would not pay the rent. Filed bankruptcy and I'll be dammed if he's not back in the race in two years or less. Bill gates did the same just before founding Microsoft.

What happend to the america were even democrats were proud to build what they owned, own what they built, and pass it on to their family when they couldn't use it anymore?

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Originally Posted by Realgirls4me

Darkthanos:
What kind of dirty underwear have you been smoking? Reagan, as he did here in California, actually grew the size of government. ...

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Exactly, Reagan was never anything even remotely close to being a fiscal conservative, nor was he ever close to being a libertarian.

People are still falling for his "I want small government" lies decades after the fact. I suppose if someone were to put their head deep enough into the sand, they'd come to a state of plausible denial over the truth of Reagan's policies.

People can like him or hate him for all I care... but to say he is a fiscal conservative or a libertarian? NO WAY.

As to whether or not he "defeated the USSR" or "just happened to be in charge when it happened", I am not certain. One thing is for sure, the USSR couldn't keep pulling it off forever. For their case, their own worst enemy was the enemy within...

Last year I was watching the NASA channel and the Russians on ISS were talking about the state of the Russian Space Agency. They said their facilities look like the Germans had just come back for another siege of Leningrad, and had decided to siege the space agency on their retreat. The Soviets had managed to steal, I mean clone, our shuttle but shortly after the USSR fell, the warehouse they stored it in fell... right on top of it. Look at their space agency in google earth sometime, so much of the USSR was a false facade that it was really amazing everything lasted as well as it did, as long as it did.

There is a Russian joke that a friend of mine told me after he came here, in the early to mid 90s. It went something to the effect of: "When the curtain fell, we realized the American Propaganda against the Soviets was true. But then we also realized the Russian Propaganda against the Americans was also true!!" there is another... "Life in Soviet Russia was hard, we had very little, the stores were empty, and you could never find what you needed. But at least we could afford it."