TO THE MEN FROM TS in Light of recent comments

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Originally Posted by vietboy

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Originally Posted by Danny partridge

There is no loathing like self loathing.

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It's a damn shame that "gender identity disorder" is in the DSM-IV and "self-loathing homosexual" is not.

Because it is the cock-obsessed "chasers" who are in the most need of help.

The unfortunate reality is that many of these losers are such horrid misogynists that their own mothers and sisters have repeatedly rejected them and their spiteful ways. Yet they go on to treat their wives and girlfriends, including transsexual women, with the same scorn. It is ironic then that chasers are called transfans because the sad reality is that a transfan has contempt for transsexual women, just as he talks down to every other woman in his life.

Why do these sickos hate women? ...Ultimately, chasers hate themselves the most. And since many are swishy autogynophiliacs who dress up and enjoy taking it up the backside, they misplace their self-hatred on the woman they fetishize themselves as, and this contempt is then displaced onto other, more successful, feminine individuals in their lives.

If only the pre-op lover could just come to terms with himself as a gay man and gain ease with his own feminine side! Self-accepting gay men don't hate women, and gay men love their mothers. Tranny-chasing and tranny-hating (two sides of the same coin) would disappear. The world would be a better place!

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I think part of the issue here is this: does a pre-op lover really need to come to terms with himself as a gay man? Certainly, it may very well be true that some men who enjoy bottoming to a pre-op are indeed gay and may not have made that realization yet; however, that is certainly not true of all of them. I think this problem stems from the fact that we tend to identify and label certain acts as being gay or straight rather defining the person as gay or straight. A man who enjoys being anally stimulated/penetrated is not necessarily gay...he simply finds pleasure in the purely mechanical act. Remember, the prostate is an erogenous zone in the male. If a man asks his wife/girlfriend to do him with a strap-on from time to time, does that make him gay?

Another part of this issue is that some men who fall into the aforementioned category are often derided themselves and frequently taunted with the epithets of 'faggot' and 'queer'...believe me, I know because I happen to fall into this category. When you get met with hostility, it's natural to return that hostility. Of course, there is no excuse for 'chasers' to be rude, spiteful or hateful when they can't get their way.

I think the most important thing to do is not to worry about attaching a label to anyone and rather just make the earnest attempt to understand another person's ideas and motivations.

I read a variety of forums and there are always the self serving know-it-alls who feel the need to make others feel inferior if they disagree with them.

Fuck em.

Danielle, you're right to not take shit from those needle dicks.
Just ignore them. That's the worst punishment they can't handle.

Life's too short & too complicated to give all the assholes a second thought. It's hard though - there are SOOO many of them and some of the hateful shit they come up with makes your head spin.

Your fans far outnumber your detractors.

Have a nice weekend, Hun. Stay on the bright side. I hope I can take care of you if you decide to tour thru my town again!

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Originally Posted by TS DANIELLE FOXXX

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Originally Posted by Justawannabe

but if your going to get all high and mighty about who you are, and what you've had to go through... don't slap the guy standing next to you down like he has no value. You don't want it done to you, stop throwing you own slurs around.

I don't know, just this post I both wanted to applaud and shout at the same time... lifting up your own is a wonderful thing... doing it by vilifying others is not.

Sean

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I am only making an example out of those who no matter how much we make posts like these it will never compute. Their brain is a PC and what I am saying is MAC...

I am not trying to put anyone down, I am just pulling off the vail. They are already on the floor, I am just making sure they stay there.

I am not anyone to teach these assholes anything, I am simply giving them a look at the harsh reality of things.

Does the fact we TS have a hard time in life have any meaning to any of our admirer's life? Not really because what most see on the net are dicks and boobs.

Most don't really make a point to address us even as anything else then a nut off their dick.

I am not going to be nice about it - Sorry, that is wayyyyyy too much to ask. If you slap me on the face I don't turn the other cheek. Bitch you are gonna get socked.

I am a lady but when it comes to speaking my mind I don't hold back, no matter how you want to analyze it.

But I appreciate your very intelligent argument in the subject. Maybe you can get through to men. I just don't want to keep repeating myself.

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Danielle you are exactly right in saying that some people can’t compute. Out of every large diverse group people you will find insensitive people. But the other side of that is there are also sensitive people that understand more than you know. Men who are attracted transsexual have an inner struggle to define who they really are. No their struggle are not as visible as trans women, but it is still a struggle with the exact same forces as trans women. I have read your posts and you have repeated many times that we don’t understand or care. But if you look at how long I have realized about my attractions to trans women, I have been struggling with this for decades longer than you. I am in no way denying the struggles and hardships that you went through. I am saying to assume that I or others can never understand is not true. We love you with a deep biological urge, and our language does not even have a word for us to define ourselves. We live with the loneliness of not feeling free to talk to anyone about, the guilt, but the most difficult thing is to come to understand ourselves and be at peace with it. Gays do not completely understand nor straights, not even our families, especially. We finally find a place where we can share our feelings here on HA, and then very women we admire call us the worst names, like “gay cock loving tranny chasers”, over and over.

I hate to say this but I must. I believe that view of men has been warped by your occupation. You constantly saw men for only one part of their expression. I have been trained to see people as beings in a larger perspective, plus my sexual experience is relatively limited compared to yours. So that influences my life views away from sexuality. For example, I was a complete virgin until I was twenty three.

I am saying this not just to you, but I see you as a prime example. trans women focusing so much energy on negativity, that you really end up feeding hate and neglecting love. If you don’t feed an emotion it will eventually die. Hate itself is a negative energy will turn on itself and self destruct. The universe is governed by laws. Destructive energy will have negative consequences, whether you spend time fighting it yourself, or not. Take your slap on the cheek example. If you walk away, they often are demoralized to see that their best shot has not hurt you. Often other people will see their attack and take care of them with out you saying a word. Or they go onto someone else to feed their negativity, but end up more serious consequences than what you could have done. The worst thing is that when their negativity has no where to go, it attacks their own bodies and they get serious diseases like cancer. But as long you hold on to them you are subject to same disease. The concept of forgiveness is simply letting go of someone else’s negative energies. It frees you much more than the offender.

On the other hand if you walk away and spend time with love, creativity, productivity and other positive energies, they will attract after their own kind. If you can work to see the good side of people, you will bring out that aspect of their nature, with positive results. Yes there are bad people out there, but there are many good people that you don’t recognize because you aren’t looking. This is true of everyone, including myself. And sometimes, being positive will even bring out the good in ‘bad’ people. I have worked with juvenile felony offenders, and others. There are plenty of positive people here on HA. People in the arts is just one category of good people here.

These are ‘deep’ spiritual lessons, that a lot of people are not ready for, especially here, but you are ready for them. I paid to get these lessons as much money as some of your surgeries and I have seen them tested for longer than you have been on the planet. I give them to you because of the love you have already given, and the great potential that you have.

I thank you for the giving of yourself. I am just one of many. I have said a lot here but I don’t have the words to tell you how special you are.

You said in your post that you wanted people to see the “harsh reality”. But the other reality is love, beauty and life itself. Each day is a new opportunity to find positive things in your existence. You already know these things. The next thing is to put them into practice. It's a life long job, but the benefits are great!

P.S. Before I could finish my long post two people right before me are saying the same thing I am saying, but each in his own way.

It is a shame that the assholes of which Danielle speaks cannot be addressed personally. Instead all of us t-girl admirers--"faggots or chasers" which some of you like to call us are all lumped together. I guess this is all helping my inner conflict and will just stick to gg.

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Originally Posted by TS DANIELLE FOXXX

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Originally Posted by hippifried

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Originally Posted by TS DANIELLE FOXXX

As for you Danielle, I must admit that I was sad to see it go, but most of that is regret for blowing off my chance to visit during your last working tour of Phoenix. Oh well. No use crying over unspilled cream. Not knowing you personally, all I can say is good luck in your endeavors, pick your battles carefully, & try to see the bright side of things. Sounds Pollyannaish, but it does wonders for the nerves & keeps the ulcers at bay. AAAUUUUUMMMMMM!


But now - you could teach me English. And logic. And poetry.

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Aren't you supposed to get dumber when you remove the brain? :shock:

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Ummmmm thanks for the compliment?

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Oh absolutely a compliment. I know it's hard to tell sometimes, but that's just because I'm a "smartass". I know this because Mom always told me so, right before she threw the shoe. :lol: :shrug

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Originally Posted by hippifried

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Originally Posted by TS DANIELLE FOXXX

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Originally Posted by hippifried

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Originally Posted by TS DANIELLE FOXXX

As for you Danielle, I must admit that I was sad to see it go, but most of that is regret for blowing off my chance to visit during your last working tour of Phoenix. Oh well. No use crying over unspilled cream. Not knowing you personally, all I can say is good luck in your endeavors, pick your battles carefully, & try to see the bright side of things. Sounds Pollyannaish, but it does wonders for the nerves & keeps the ulcers at bay. AAAUUUUUMMMMMM!


But now - you could teach me English. And logic. And poetry.

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Aren't you supposed to get dumber when you remove the brain? :shock:

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Ummmmm thanks for the compliment?

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Oh absolutely a compliment. I know it's hard to tell sometimes, but that's just because I'm a "smartass". I know this because Mom always told me so, right before she threw the shoe. :lol: :shrug

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Can't be that bad if she's only throwing shoes at you.

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Originally Posted by GinX

I think this problem stems from the fact that we tend to identify and label certain acts as being gay or straight rather defining the person as gay or straight. A man who enjoys being anally stimulated/penetrated is not necessarily gay...he simply finds pleasure in the purely mechanical act. Remember, the prostate is an erogenous zone in the male. If a man asks his wife/girlfriend to do him with a strap-on from time to time, does that make him gay?

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Hell yes.

Ask the average straight woman what she thinks of such activity. The vast majority of straight women consider those actions gay.

And I don't think you should ignore their opinion. Please correct me if I am wrong, but I think your position is that acts or actions don't necessarily define a person; instead, a man is defined by how he fancies himself. Surely though it is absurd to claim a man who eats meat is not a carnivore if he believes that he is actually a vegetarian!

Just as there are different ways to eat meat, there are also different ways to have gay sex, such as receiving anal sex or being intimate with a male. I believe that actions speak louder than words, and no matter how much a guy protests, if he participates in gay sex, then he is gay.

As a corollary, a guy who insists that he is gay is not taken seriously if he has not had gay sex. Thus, Norm Peterson on Cheers was not considered gay even though he insisted such, so as to be taken seriously as an interior designer. But if Norm the interior designer had revealed that he enjoyed buttsecks, even if it was only with Vera, then he would have fulfilled the gay criteria for most people and probably gone on to be a successful interior designer.

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Originally Posted by GinX

Another part of this issue is that some men who fall into the aforementioned category are often derided themselves and frequently taunted with the epithets of 'faggot' and 'queer'...believe me, I know because I happen to fall into this category.

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I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Are you saying that you are 'queer', or are you saying that people taunt you with the 'queer' epithet? 'Faggot' is an epithet and and 'queer' can be an epithet, depending on the context, similar to 'honky' and 'gringo', respectively. But 'gay' is not an epithet, nor is 'white'. Both are labels that have utility.

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Originally Posted by GinX

I think the most important thing to do is not to worry about attaching a label to anyone and rather just make the earnest attempt to understand another person's ideas and motivations.

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Gay is just about the only mainstream label that is still rejected by many people who are arguably gay. When it comes to this label alone, some gays reject it on the basis that "labels don't matter." I believe this denial of reality is actually motivated by shame. No one should feel ashamed of being gay.

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Originally Posted by vietboy

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Originally Posted by GinX

If a man asks his wife/girlfriend to do him with a strap-on from time to time, does that make him gay?

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Hell yes.

Ask the average straight woman what she thinks of such activity. The vast majority of straight women consider those actions gay.

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vietboy, I actually appreciate your relatively new voice to this forum and on some opinions that you've professed I have actually nodded my head thinking... "yeah I agree with that." But much of what you've written in this thread and especially this comment above is ridiculous. Not so much by the content of your opinion because everyone is entitled to his/her opinion, but by the tone... as if you're some sort of expert on any of this, which let me tell you... you're definitely not.

A gf or wife using a dildo on a straight guy is called pegging. It's a well known heterosexual activity. Is it super common? Probably not. But there is many an established sex expert who have made the claim that this is a heterosexual activity.

If you don't believe me, read Dan Savage's sex column every week for 1 whole year and it will open your eyes about sexuality. And before you start criticizing Savage's opinion, understand he's been doing this for something like 15-20 years, non-stop, is connected into the gay, lesbian, bi and trans communities, gives advice to all, and does not rely on his own opinion but consults with every imaginable sex expert in the world. It's his life's work and he's damn, damn good at what he does.

Now... as to your point about what the "vast majority of women" think? You made me laugh. I once started talking to my Catholic, 30 year old girlfriend about her receiving anal sex from me. She was hesitant but eventually came around to talking about it and then out of the blue told me that she wanted to peg me. That I could do anal sex on her but she wanted to use a strap-on on me.

I never even brought this up. It was her idea to peg me. And mind you, I've never spoken at all about my appreciation of trans women to her. I am pretty sure she believes I am completely heterosexual.

You simply have no basis on which to judge what the "vast majority" of heterosexual women think and believe.

And to repeat... it's not your opinions that I take issue with. It's your know it all attitude. There's lots of know-it-all's rummaging around on this forum so I'm not really trying to single you out here. I'm just saying that if you want to be taken seriously amongst the serious people here, you might want to try phrasing your opinions in a different manner.

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Originally Posted by Odelay

A gf or wife using a dildo on a straight guy is called pegging. It's a well known heterosexual activity. Is it super common? Probably not. But there is many an established sex expert who have made the claim that this is a heterosexual activity.

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You might be right. I don't anyone pegging me as a gay man, so perhaps it is this insecurity which drives my more ridiculous posts.

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Originally Posted by Odelay

Now... as to your point about what the "vast majority of women" think? You made me laugh. I once started talking to my Catholic, 30 year old girlfriend about her receiving anal sex from me. She was hesitant but eventually came around to talking about it and then out of the blue told me that she wanted to peg me. That I could do anal sex on her but she wanted to use a strap-on on me.

I never even brought this up. It was her idea to peg me. And mind you, I've never spoken at all about my appreciation of trans women to her. I am pretty sure she believes I am completely heterosexual.

You simply have no basis on which to judge what the "vast majority" of heterosexual women think and believe.

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Well, I appreciate your anecdote, but an anecdote is no basis on which to refute a generalization! Just joking... :) I enjoy this forum and I don't want to be pegged as an asshole so thank you for the advice!

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Originally Posted by vietboy

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Originally Posted by Odelay

You simply have no basis on which to judge what the "vast majority" of heterosexual women think and believe.

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Well, I appreciate your anecdote, but an anecdote is no basis on which to refute a generalization! Just joking... :) I enjoy this forum and I don't want to be pegged as an asshole so thank you for the advice!

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Yes, I knew you could catch me on the anecdote thing. 8)

However, the anecdote is a doozy when looking at your premise. If many a heterosexual women would be appalled at the idea of a bf wanting to be pegged (as you claim), then isn't it equally shocking that 1 pretty normal heterosexual woman would bring up pegging her guy. It entirely reverses supposedly conventional heterosexual female thinking.

In the end, activity doesn't necessarily define one's orientation. Activities such as bondage, s&m, asphyxiation, and many other alternative sexual activities can be practiced in a 100% gay relationship, 100% hetero relationship, or just about in any other context. Men have a g-spot near their prostate. I know. I've felt it while masturbating and it was a rush. Why wouldn't a hetero man, knowing about this g-spot, want his gf to explore it with a dildo?

Like I said... I like some of your ideas, that's why I replied to this. I hope you continue to participate.