T-girlfriend?

peggygee......a ho a housewife? LOL Yeah. I do that.

But that life has become so "normal" in the TS community and encouraged. Take someone on this board as sweet and nice as Jamie. While I'm sure she meant no harm she stated a couple of times recently that why would a girl that lost her job look for one at $20 an hour when they can get one for $200?

And then she added on another thread they they simply put a single ad on Craigslist and made $2000 the very first day.

Well not to be Mr. Responsibility here but this is crazy talk. I'm sure Jamie has made a cool million at the game as others have. Especially at 2K a day.

But I will say this without mentioning any other names. I know some elite girls. They don't make that type of dough. As a matter of fact I lived with an elite escort that travels the world with A-list clientele and never made it. Okay maybe 2 or 3 times.

And $200 an hour? I'd rather see a girl have an 8 hour a day job making $200 with benefits and security then gambling their future on a business that has so much risk. And I'm often met with the bit about it being that I don't want my girl fucking all these men. Well, to a degree I'd like my girl to myself. Who wouldn't? But thats just a poor excuse because it's not like there's not a wee bit of risk.

Glamorizing the escort life is just plain fantasy. High price call girls that have made hundreds and hundreds of thousands to millions like Jamie are a scant few. Bless them.

But every time I meet a girl that isn't an escort the temptation is there because of how great another TS says it is.

Your posts peggygee may be unpopular because no one likes a grim fucking reaper when it comes to self-reflection. And this thread will go unnoticed because of the same feelings.

Even the little girl Ashley when saying that she wanted to turn her academics into a great job was met with the idea of go get into porn or why give it away for nothing. Some said in joking fashion I understand. But c'mon already. I truly believe that I have more to offer than just $300 an hour to a girl for some gratuitous sex. And if thats true then I'm sure she has bit more to offer the world than her services as a hooker.

My conclusion is that the TS world is deteriorating. While I have no issue with the porn business, let's not confuse it with the escort business. You can use them hand in hand. But the escort business will assist in destroying people's lives. Period. And to the survivors that love their jobs, thats great. But the future will be unkind to you. At least thats what I have witnessed.

Thanks though peggygee. I see your points. And as you see I've been a visitor here now again since the beginning of this board. I know the biz better than some of the Queen Bees here. And I support the girls that are caught up in the business. My advice is to form an exit strategy early on. Get an education. Legitimate business can make more than an illicit one. And love is something that should inspire, not inhibit.

You've made many cogent points, some that I have touched on elsewhere,
and some that I may yet touch on depending on other answers to my
posts, and your response.

But I would like to re-iterate the question:

Do you feel that many transwomen are not in relationships because they
escorting, or are there other variables to factor in.

...I hear ya with the worm, cow and ho things.

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Originally Posted by bezane

Your posts peggygee may be unpopular because no one likes a grim fucking reaper when it comes to self-reflection. And this thread will go unnoticed because of the same feelings.

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Nope, I think it's a damned good thread.

...Kira's comments about posting a real profile and real photo, sans cock---been there, done that.

My favorites are: "looking for a real relationship" Which means-drive me to the disco and buy me and my friends drinks...then drive us home. And the next famous--drop me a line, which means, "if you look like the Adonis at the Gay Bar I frequent, I might call you so you can take me out and buy me drinks...yadda, yadda, yadda...And concluding with the all-time fave: I like long walks on the beach, fine dining and the finer things in life. Which I found out means, "here are my rates".

It's hard to take these situations seriously...who doesn't like fine dining--so I'll swing by and get you, dressed like a disco-whore and hope I can get a seat at Matsuhisa and dump $300.00 on Sushi...no, better yet-we'll go for that long walk on the beach after I play phone tag with you for three days so by the time you and I actually speak--that long walk on the beach is from the Beverly Center parking structure to the front door of Bebe...ya, right...and then there's the party-chaser...sheesh...

I'm not bitter about it-sounds like it-yes. Just some observations I've made while dating. I mean-who the fuck in their right mind would date a GG that acts like that? Perhaps, we call that the Gold-Digger...ya, look hot so that some dumb guy comes along with his deep pockets and funds your existence...

I guess in some countries like Brazil, Thailand and the Philippines–T'girls are [big guess, here] doing it for just the downright need for money to support themselves and their families-then the mysticism of being a woman trapped in a man's body, second...I'm sure there's some indignities tht go along with that...but when there's a German tourist blown out on the boozer waving a hotel key and cash...the Ladyboy goes with that, instead of the guy trying his best to try his Thai, Portuguese or Tagalog out on his date at the bar...amazing how it all transcends one way or another...

I hate to bore you guys/girls with what borders a diatribe...but I dig T'Girls as much as the next dude, does. But...c'mon...Women's Lib stops when the wallet opens.

I admire the chicks I've dated that endured my lengthly, boring dialogs about Post WWII Modern Art, the complexities of Robert Fripp's guitar playing, my latest race and how I can fuck-up cooking a Quiche after attending cooking school and can paint for fuck's sake while holding and MFA!

...kudos to the wonderful "Lady" I took on my Honda to a wedding at the Wayfarer's Chapel...and didn't worry about getting "outted"...

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Originally Posted by hiwatt1000

...Kira's comments about posting a real profile and real photo, sans cock---been there, done that.

My favorites are: "looking for a real relationship" Which means-drive me to the disco and buy me and my friends drinks...then drive us home. And the next famous--drop me a line, which means, "if you look like the Adonis at the Gay Bar I frequent, I might call you so you can take me out and buy me drinks...yadda, yadda, yadda...And concluding with the all-time fave: I like long walks on the beach, fine dining and the finer things in life. Which I found out means, "here are my rates".

It's hard to take these situations seriously...who doesn't like fine dining--so I'll swing by and get you, dressed like a disco-whore and hope I can get a seat at Matsuhisa and dump $300.00 on Sushi...no, better yet-we'll go for that long walk on the beach after I play phone tag with you for three days so by the time you and I actually speak--that long walk on the beach is from the Beverly Center parking structure to the front door of Bebe...ya, right...and then there's the party-chaser...sheesh...

I'm not bitter about it-sounds like it-yes. Just some observations I've made while dating. I mean-who the fuck in their right mind would date a GG that acts like that? Perhaps, we call that the Gold-Digger...ya, look hot so that some dumb guy comes along with his deep pockets and funds your existence...

I guess in some countries like Brazil, Thailand and the Philippines–T'girls are [big guess, here] doing it for just the downright need for money to support themselves and their families-then the mysticism of being a woman trapped in a man's body, second...I'm sure there's some indignities tht go along with that...but when there's a German tourist blown out on the boozer waving a hotel key and cash...the Ladyboy goes with that, instead of the guy trying his best to try his Thai, Portuguese or Tagalog out on his date at the bar...amazing how it all transcends one way or another...

I hate to bore you guys/girls with what borders a diatribe...but I dig T'Girls as much as the next dude, does. But...c'mon...Women's Lib stops when the wallet opens.

I admire the chicks I've dated that endured my lengthly, boring dialogs about Post WWII Modern Art, the complexities of Robert Fripp's guitar playing, my latest race and how I can fuck-up cooking a Quiche after attending cooking school and can paint for fuck's sake while holding and MFA!

...kudos to the wonderful "Lady" I took on my Honda to a wedding at the Wayfarer's Chapel...and didn't worry about getting "outted"...

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Your a rare breed of man who dates TS woman you do know that. I've yet to find someone like you. :D Gives me hope, Thank you!

Hiwatt & bezane:

Those were great, great posts. I agree with both of you on many points. I see many of the same things with many of my friends.

I really don't know where to start. So many factors involved that I think I'll just go the "stream of consciousness" mode.

I believe there is peer preasure from TS's to get into escorting & porn. It seems to be one quick way to be validated. Having guys worship you feels great to someone that may have just been struggling with their identity. Also some fast, big money. And if you are OK with having sex with a lot of strangers, then you have it made. But I also think there is a price to be paid... sometimes girls don't know that until the bill comes down the road much later in life and it's too late. Every girl I know that escorts and/or does porn could easily get a regular job. They look good enough, they are smart enough. But the escort life makes them lazy, flakey, sometimes a little bitter & hard and they always want a job that will pay as much as $200 for 30 minutes.... and they aren't going to find that.

But by the same token, if guys are just going to use you as some kind of fetish, why not get paid for it? if people are going to love you & leave you, I would certainly want to be compensated.

As far as the new girl, I was one of the people that told that new girl that if she was going to post nude pics, she should get paid for them. PERSONALLY, if I was her, I would NOT post ANY nude pics, but as long as she is going to, she should get compensation. It's stupid not to.



Relationships:
It seems that about 85% of BOTH guys & girls are really messed up and have a lot of issues. And that makes it very, very difficult for the rest of the 15% of sincere guys & girls to trust one another. People have been burned on both sides.

I'm one of the lucky ones. I didn't get into drugs or drinking and I went to school and got "edgukated". I also have my dream career that many people would kill for, but I have the same problems as many other people when trying to meet someone. You meet flakes, "playas", drunks, druggies, unemployed people, married guys, DL guys, blah, blah, blah.....

Also, many guys expect all trannys to be exactly like the sex machines they see in the clubs & in film. Just going to the movies holding hands & kissing??? How boring!!!! And going shopping at Whole Foods??? No way! Trannys don't go shopping! :wink: And if you don't meet their ideal look in any way, they don't even bother to get to know your personality. (A big problem with the girls, also.)

And one other thing I've noticed, in the TS world, most guys want the sex first, and THEN they will decide if they want to pursue that person for a date or a relationship. And I think that's a very difficult thing for a TS that may have trust issues with guys.


LET ME SAY THIS AGAIN..... this is NOT man bashing. I'm just pointing things out from my point of view. It's definately 50-50 when it comes to difficlulties between TS's & guys.

Trying to have a TLR in the tranny world is no picnic for either side.

:cry:


(Sorry for the jumbled up post.)


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Originally Posted by TrueBeauty TS

I believe there is peer preasure from TS's to get into escorting & porn. It seems to be one quick way to be validated. Having guys worship you feels great to someone that may have just been struggling with their identity. Also some fast, big money. And if you are OK with having sex with a lot of strangers, then you have it made. But I also think there is a price to be paid... sometimes girls don't know that until the bill comes down the road much later in life and it's too late. Every girl I know that escorts and/or does porn could easily get a regular job. They look good enough, they are smart enough. But the escort life makes them lazy, flakey, sometimes a little bitter & hard and they always want a job that will pay as much as $200 for 30 minutes.... and they aren't going to find that.

But by the same token, if guys are just going to use you as some kind of fetish, why not get paid for it? if people are going to love you & leave you, I would certainly want to be compensated.

Relationships:
It seems that about 85% of BOTH guys & girls are really messed up and have a lot of issues. And that makes it very, very difficult for the rest of the 15% of sincere guys & girls to trust one another. People have been burned on both sides.

I'm one of the lucky ones. I didn't get into drugs or drinking and I went to school and got "edgukated". I also have my dream career that many people would kill for, but I have the same problems as many other people when trying to meet someone. You meet flakes, "playas", drunks, druggies, unemployed people, married guys, DL guys, blah, blah, blah.....

Also, many guys expect all trannys to be exactly like the sex machines they see in the clubs & in film. Just going to the movies holding hands & kissing??? How boring!!!! And going shopping at Whole Foods??? No way! Trannys don't go shopping! :wink: And if you don't meet their ideal look in any way, they don't even bother to get to know your personality. (A big problem with the girls, also.)

And one other thing I've noticed, in the TS world, most guys want the sex first, and THEN they will decide if they want to pursue that person for a date or a relationship. And I think that's a very difficult thing for a TS that may have trust issues with guys.


LET ME SAY THIS AGAIN..... this is NOT man bashing. I'm just pointing things out from my point of view. It's definately 50-50 when it comes to difficlulties between TS's & guys.

Trying to have a TLR in the tranny world is no picnic for either side.

:cry:


(Sorry for the jumbled up post.)


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now i am prolly steering towards the "ranting" area, but fuck it:

I hear that a lot, the guys blow it (no pun intended) , but seriously, there are few Trannies out there who ARE ltr-material as well.

here is my story: I had one, for about one year. It was a lot of drama, but thats not the thing that made it stop.

I met her at a club, we exchanged numbers.....and met some time later on. I dont regret anything, but I was lied to, about her job that is. I am not the dumbass as I may look, I was suspicious for a few reasons (why the heck do you need three mobile phones but I got the number only for two of them?????) and a little check regarding the escort-pages revealed, indeed, she was working as one on the side. I confronted her with my findings and offered to talk about the situation, but she was in total denial, refused to adress that BIG issue.

And you know what? She was indeed educated, very nice and prolly could have a "boring" normal job. But she chose the easy route.

As about myself - I hold a job, I am not that much of an ass all the time, but I cant easily support two people at once. And also for principle reasons I would like to see my girl working a job of her own. A fucking boring 9-5.

Dont get me wrong, I dont have anything against escorting, but I cant see that as a long term perspective in life. Its similar to sports, you have your prime between 20 and 30, maybe 35, and what next?

That means I am a write-off already from the start for may T-chicks, who seem to be steady members of the gold-digger-crew.

So am I ready for another TS-relationship? Not now and not in the near future.

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Originally Posted by KellyShore

Whenever I'm single I never can find a guy online cause they are loco or in love with the stigma of who they think I am.

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Do you know what "stigma" means?

No one knows who you are, because you have created so many cockamamie stories and personas it makes a persons head spin.

If a guy fell in love with YOU online, he would have to be the harbringer of a myriad of serious issues.

LOL

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Originally Posted by TrueBeauty TS

Hiwatt & bezane:

Those were great, great posts. I agree with both of you on many points. I see many of the same things with many of my friends.

I really don't know where to start. So many factors involved that I think I'll just go the "stream of consciousness" mode.

I believe there is peer preasure from TS's to get into escorting & porn. It seems to be one quick way to be validated. Having guys worship you feels great to someone that may have just been struggling with their identity. Also some fast, big money. And if you are OK with having sex with a lot of strangers, then you have it made. But I also think there is a price to be paid... sometimes girls don't know that until the bill comes down the road much later in life and it's too late. Every girl I know that escorts and/or does porn could easily get a regular job. They look good enough, they are smart enough. But the escort life makes them lazy, flakey, sometimes a little bitter & hard and they always want a job that will pay as much as $200 for 30 minutes.... and they aren't going to find that.

But by the same token, if guys are just going to use you as some kind of fetish, why not get paid for it? if people are going to love you & leave you, I would certainly want to be compensated.

As far as the new girl, I was one of the people that told that new girl that if she was going to post nude pics, she should get paid for them. PERSONALLY, if I was her, I would NOT post ANY nude pics, but as long as she is going to, she should get compensation. It's stupid not to.



Relationships:
It seems that about 85% of BOTH guys & girls are really messed up and have a lot of issues. And that makes it very, very difficult for the rest of the 15% of sincere guys & girls to trust one another. People have been burned on both sides.

I'm one of the lucky ones. I didn't get into drugs or drinking and I went to school and got "edgukated". I also have my dream career that many people would kill for, but I have the same problems as many other people when trying to meet someone. You meet flakes, "playas", drunks, druggies, unemployed people, married guys, DL guys, blah, blah, blah.....

Also, many guys expect all trannys to be exactly like the sex machines they see in the clubs & in film. Just going to the movies holding hands & kissing??? How boring!!!! And going shopping at Whole Foods??? No way! Trannys don't go shopping! :wink: And if you don't meet their ideal look in any way, they don't even bother to get to know your personality. (A big problem with the girls, also.)

And one other thing I've noticed, in the TS world, most guys want the sex first, and THEN they will decide if they want to pursue that person for a date or a relationship. And I think that's a very difficult thing for a TS that may have trust issues with guys.


LET ME SAY THIS AGAIN..... this is NOT man bashing. I'm just pointing things out from my point of view. It's definately 50-50 when it comes to difficlulties between TS's & guys.

Trying to have a TLR in the tranny world is no picnic for either side.

:cry:


(Sorry for the jumbled up post.)


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FUCK ME!!!!! True Beauty TS whoever the fuck you are. Maybe your just an apparition. Maybe I know you. But that post makes my life complete. I don't like to cry. It shows weakness. But I feel different after reading that. I hope the girls read it too. Thank you.