And the results are in...The 2007 AVN Award winners are....

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Originally Posted by swimnn

Reminds me of when Jethro Tull won best metal band instead of Metalica. The people handing out the awards just don't get it.

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although there is a transsexual link there...
seanchai

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Originally Posted by Ecstatic

Congrats to Buck, he is a transsexual and thereby qualifies for the award. Does he deserve it? I have no idea; I have not seen his filmwork, so I cannot gauge the quality of his performance.

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I think most of the people on here that have spoken out against the award fall into the same category. I can't get upset about him winning because i don't know shit about his work. I have seen maybe half a scene of his just to see what it would be like but it did nothing for me.

I think I, and most of everyone here, have a bias.

Even with that being the case, I can't expect a mainstream group to give out an award that really represents the best TS award. In most cases it will only go to the biggest name or the person who had the most exposure that year.

I doubt that much critical consideration really comes into play.

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Originally Posted by Vicki Richter

My take on it is this... This is no different than lumping male and female performers together into one Performer of the Year award. Furthermore, it opens up more ridiculous possibilities. Just because the award didn't say "M2F Transsexual Performer of the Year" doesn't mean that wasn't implied. Just like their Male Performer of the Year doesn't say Male Human Performer of the Year... It leaves an openning for a great Male Horse Performer or Male Dog Performer or some other riduculousness. What if female performers started injecting their Vivid and Wicked lesbian scenes into GayVN. By definition, it is gay sex. The award shouldn't have to say Best Gay Male on Male Sex Act Between Two Legitimately Gay Males, it should be implied.

Obviously, M2F and F2M are two totally different performance types. How can you compare the best female performer to the best male performer when one is doing double and triple penetrations and the other has to keep a hard cock for hours and hours through numerous cuts, positions, etc? I don't think you can compare the two. I know that Buck's stuff sells pretty well and he clearly has a fan base, but it really makes no sense. It does feel to me a bit like AVN is mocking the genre.

AVN has recently done things such as remove TS lines from the Specialty Rentals Charts. They have also added a whole bunch of new awards for all the other specialty areas since TS stuff has really owned this category for years. Best Hairy Twat DVD, Best Fat Girl DVD, etc... It's becoming even more silly. Just give everyone their own award to shut them up.

Finally, Danielle had wanted to work with Buck before he worked with any other TS and I advised her against it based upon what I regard as the "freak show" factor. I remember Foxxy Angel fucking a midget in some pictures. People aren't getting into your stuff because it's hot necessarily, but because it's strange. It's like a bad car wreck and everyone wants to rubber neck. No I am not insulting Buck with that statement. It has nothing to do with Buck. It just has to do with the pairing and it's bizarre factor. Buck isn't a freak and neither are we (MtF TS), so why should we be creating product that is marketed as freak show or odd. Because yes, when people see beautiful, voluptuous Allanah Starr take out her shecock and stick it into a man's pussy, it's wierd.

I do congratulate Buck, and perhaps he is a great performer. In fact, it is completely and totally impossible to dislike the guy since he is so friendly and articulate. However, I don't really agree with him being part of the same category. Being a peer for the same award with someone named Buck does take some of the glamour away.

I ran a poll on my Yahoo Group that got almost 450 responses and Danielle was a 2-1 favorite over the next closest vote getter. This should have been her year in my opinion. I feel it is unfortunate that the folks at AVN chose this year to make a statement. Whatever that might be.

I also am so completely happy that I was not nominated this year so I can speak my mind on the topic without people telling me I am jealous or hateful. I am neither. I simply have an opinion. I think it's retarded to compete with men for the same award.

Diesel - Man with a Pussy - for Transsexual Performer of the Year 2008

http://shop.transsexual.sex-supersto...d/2018247C.jpg

Vicki

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First of all your anger is misplaced.
Buck IS A TRANSEXUAL!
He is just as vital,valuable and hardworking as you Vicki.
Think about the people who vote on this award....how many of them value transexuals as human beings?
You see?
Thats your problem.
You put weight on an award that is an afterthought to those who created it.
Most people in the adult video industry and society as a whole regard ALL trannys as FREAKS!
THAT MEANS YOU MISS!!!!
Buck Angel is a proud transMAN and a trailblazer and congrats to him~!

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Originally Posted by Vicki Richter

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Originally Posted by Buck Angel

Vicki,

Much of what you say is very true. But somehow I always feel like you have tons of hate for what I am doing. If you read my interviews you will see that I make sure I am never put in the Freak section. This is why I left Robert Hill and you see a guy like Diesel trying to take my place there. They have made him into the freaky transsexual man with tits and a pussy!
He is the kind of transsexual man you should be pissed at. He will fuck up everything I have done to make TS man porn a hot genre like yours.

I do believe I should not have to run against the women it makes no fucking sense but what do I do just sit around and do nothing? I had to compete in the awards because I deserve to just like you. I work my ass off just like you. I have many fans just like you.

You will see one day what I have done for not only me but you and all the girls. I think we should talk to AVN about seperating us. It is only fair. But for now I won and I would appreciate you supporting me like I support you!

XXX
Buck Angel

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I don't have hate at all for what you are doing. You make porn. I make porn. Everything you said above is correct. I knew about you way back when Saigon's website had taken off and I was looking for a webmaster. Even then I was impressed with how well you have transitioned. I heard really good things from Saigon about you and your work ethic for her site. As I said, it is impossible to dislike you.

I support you from the standpoint that you won the award and bitching isn't going to change anything. I don't support it from the context of comparing apples and carrots. I wish I could explain it better. You coming in was like inserting a Hummer into a sportscar award event. The Hummer obviously is superior in a bunch of different ways that no sportscar can compete with and vice-versa. If that was the only SUV to get inserted, because of it's uniqueness, it might have an unfair advantage. The sportscar manufacturers might cry out in outrage because it just doesn't make sense for them to lose a competition because their car can't go off road and seat a family of 8.

You are a man without a true genre Buck. Maybe you will create one and more and more men like you will begin adult careers so there is actually a competition. While shemale porn bridges our kink into straight pornography, I believe much of your porn bridges the kink into gay pornography. A man fucking you has all the smoke and mirrors appearance of gay sex just like if I fuck a GG, it has the smoke and mirrors appearance of lesbian sex. Gay sex is a gayvn thing, lesbian is an AVN thing.

But, for now, you will be permanently inserted into a category created originally for transsexual women. You will be there next year, and the year after, and the year after... We're permanently going to be competing against a guy named Buck or maybe others named Diesel, Bob, or Frank when we aspire to be compared against women. I feel it's as insulting as them throwing other male performers such as Christian or Kurt Lockwood into our category. It's permanently tainted the award and made it a "just throw all those tranny freaks together" type of thing. As a transsexual woman, I would be mortified to be put into a contest where I was rated against all guys, transsexual or otherwise.

V

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YOUR angry because Danielle didnt win and I understand that BUT.......
I dont think she would have won anyways........Not that she didnt deserve too.
I have always said she should have won last year.
Please lay of Buck........
Its about time transmen got their just propers...

...And, how many of you have been e-mailing/contacting "AVN" with your concerns? Lol... This reminds me of the Pageant Message Boards...People get on them and go yapping away about the person who won, instead of trying to make SOME SORT of diffence, if only a tiny one. It won't hurt to try and see if something, if anything, can be changed/compromised. If not, this will be the first year, but not the last. Buck didn't vote for himself, so...


Nautica=^.^=



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Solitary Brother,

Are you F2M?

I made intelligent articulate points. Yes I am opinionated.

Fine, even though they are not, all transsexuals are the same. All men and women are the same too. They should do away with male and female Olympic sports and let everyone compete together since we are all the same. They should let female sheep in the Ms Universe pagent because to some people, they are beautiful too. I am going to buy a Yorkie soon, a female, I am going to dress her as a boy dog, teach her some tricks, and see if that counts at AVN toward Transsexual PoY since human isn't in the award title and neither is sexual performer. We can't assume anything obviously.

I would rather write a column on AVN about it. I'll have to see if they will let me.

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Originally Posted by Nautica

...And, how many of you have been e-mailing/contacting "AVN" with your concerns? Lol... This reminds me of the Pageant Message Boards...People get on them and go yapping away about the person who won, instead of trying to make SOME SORT of diffence, if only a tiny one. It won't hurt to try and see if something, if anything, can be changed/compromised. If not, this will be the first year, but not the last. Buck didn't vote for himself, so...


Nautica=^.^=



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Solitary Brother,

Are you F2M?

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No just supportive of the cause.....

And by the way all of you say that Vanity is old and ugly(I know I know) go look at her MYSPACE site and her video interview posted there.
She looks better than ANY transexual and most genetic women!

Go see her with your own eyes......her beauty her femininity her realness.

Ive never seen anyone like her EVER!

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Originally Posted by Vicki Richter

I made intelligent articulate points. Yes I am opinionated.

Fine, even though they are not, all transsexuals are the same. All men and women are the same too. They should do away with male and female Olympic sports and let everyone compete together since we are all the same. They should let female sheep in the Ms Universe pagent because to some people, they are beautiful too. I am going to buy a Yorkie soon, a female, I am going to dress her as a boy dog, teach her some tricks, and see if that counts at AVN toward Transsexual PoY since human isn't in the award title and neither is sexual performer. We can't assume anything obviously.

I would rather write a column on AVN about it. I'll have to see if they will let me.

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Your being VERY wrongheaded about this Vicki.
Go educate yourself about transmen.....they struggle too...they are your brothers.
Your analogies are very hurtful and wrong.
I know your hurt about Danielle not winning and yes she is deserving but please dont hurt others with your words.
Please.........

I am not trying to be hurtful. I am making analogies. Sure, extreme analogies, but analogies never-the-less. I am not comparing transmen to farm animals or sport utility vehicles. I am just explaining that it is not the same thing and should not be compared together. It isn't the same genre - just like hairy armpit muff girls aren't the same as hairy bear men.

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Originally Posted by Solitary Brother

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Originally Posted by Nautica

...And, how many of you have been e-mailing/contacting "AVN" with your concerns? Lol... This reminds me of the Pageant Message Boards...People get on them and go yapping away about the person who won, instead of trying to make SOME SORT of diffence, if only a tiny one. It won't hurt to try and see if something, if anything, can be changed/compromised. If not, this will be the first year, but not the last. Buck didn't vote for himself, so...


Nautica=^.^=



P.S.

Solitary Brother,

Are you F2M?

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No just supportive of the cause.....

And by the way all of you say that Vanity is old and ugly(I know I know) go look at her MYSPACE site and her video interview posted there.
She looks better than ANY transexual and most genetic women!

Go see her with your own eyes......her beauty her femininity her realness.

Ive never seen anyone like her EVER!

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Oh no...say it isn't so! People think Vanity is old and ugly? Why? I have never met her in person, but she looks beautiful from her photos. Oh, and I saw her on a Maury show. They didn't pic her as TS! Gorgeous gal.