Re: A Question of Sport - and Trans Athletes
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steviedresses
The LBGT community is dead wrong on this issue... and I personally am a huge supporter of Trans rights. The simple fact is men are bigger, stronger, and faster than women and no amount of HRT and surgery will change that fact. The community is going to do itself grave harm by it's instance that trans women be allowed to compete with cis women.
I am disappointed in your post, because I don't think you have factored in the examples I provided above, where the issue for the IOC is not a male who has or is transitioing to be a female, but females with high testoserone levels that go beyond the limits set for women by the IOC, women who are thus penalized for having 'Differences of Sexual Development'. The levels of testosterone in women that the IOC finds in men is clearly a problem when the athletes concerned are women or, the case of Caster Semanya, Intersexed, it is a dilemma of their own making, and confuses the issues around Men/Women and what it means to be a Transgendered athlete.
But while I understand your argument, is it not the case that a male transitioning to female who has been replacing testosterone with oestrogen must thereby have a diminished level of performance that in effect makes that person weaker than when they were male? I don't think we can assume that the strength and speed of a Man is not affected when he transitions, and I suspect a lot of the prejudice levelled at Laurel Hubbard was due to her not being as 'Feminine' as the critics would like, which is not even ironic when you compare her physique to other female weightlifters in a discipline where bulk appears to be normal.
Lastly, some of this critique derives from the hysterical rubbish one associates with Trump and Tucker Carlson, that men are deliberately claiming to be women so they can compete unfairly with women in sport, or ogle their 'sisters' in public toilets, or worse. There might be some perverts of this kind in the USA, a country with rather a lot of perverts, but I don't think there is a crisis.
I think in the end, the IOC has created a problem by attempting to define Male and Female athletes using a scientific formula that does not appear to accommodate natural anomalies such as those found in the Namibian athletes referred to above, and may be a legacy of the poltical fall-out from the era when Soviet athletes were given drugs that altered their biology enabling them to win medals at the Olympics. That there are so few transgendered athletes competing makes this a fringe issue compared to the real probem, which is the chronic use of banned drugs and supplements by so many athletes that for someone like me, there is a lack of credibility in too many sports to be worthy of respect, of the kind one can give the teenage skateboarders.
Re: A Question of Sport - and Trans Athletes
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Originally Posted by
steviedresses
The LBGT community is dead wrong on this issue... and I personally am a huge supporter of Trans rights. The simple fact is men are bigger, stronger, and faster than women and no amount of HRT and surgery will change that fact. The community is going to do itself grave harm by it's instance that trans women be allowed to compete with cis women.
I ran track in High school. Sub 12 minute 2 mile. Made me a decent JV runner, crappy varsity runner. If HRT slowed me down 10% I'm still winning every meet I entered and I am competing at the state level.
Go check track times for running, distances for throwing, and heights and lengths for jumping.
Here's a couple of qualifying times for the Texas 1A state track meet:
Fastest Girl 12 minutes 7 seconds
Slowest 12 minutes 43 seconds
Fastest boy 9 minutes 24 seconds
slowest boy 10 minutes 56 seconds
uhh...
Not as black and white as that.
Evrybody is different.
Re: A Question of Sport - and Trans Athletes
I am not referring to inter-sexed individuals. That is a whole separate issue beyond my ability to even comment on.
I am referring to natural males who decide to transition, which is their right, and then compete as females in sports. I am 6 feet, 1 inches in height. I was a bench warmer on our JV basketball team. I played in maybe 3 games during garbage time. If I had transitioned as a 16 year old I guarantee I would have been the starting on the girls team. Simply because I would be be tall (for a girl) and I had rudimentary basketball skills.
This is not prejudice on my part. These are simple facts. Men are 40% muscle compared to 28 % for women. Men have 30% more lung capacity. Men have bigger bones and larger tendons.
My son's 8th grade PE teacher called me. She was upset because he was not TRYING playing football. I found that puzzling as he is a terrific athlete and loves to compete. Than I found out it was co-ed.
Me: You mean he's playing a contact sport with the girls.
Teacher: Yes... but it's flag footbal.
Me: Are you trying to get these girls hurt? He will kill them if he tries hard.
Obviously that didn't go well.
Again, I'm not anti-trans. I fully support trans rights in all areas of their lives, except one. If a 6 foot 3 inch 225 pound 16 year old male decides to transition, a year later she is still 6'3" and has much more muscle mass than just about all 17 year old CIS women. I'm sorry dear. God played a horrible trick on you and put you in the wrong body. I support you in every aspect of your life... Except you don't get to play on the girls basketball team. It sucks but it won't be fair to the other girls.
Check out Fallon Fox. She broke her opponents eye socket. Ouch!
Re: A Question of Sport - and Trans Athletes
Truth.
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Originally Posted by
steviedresses
I am not referring to inter-sexed individuals. That is a whole separate issue beyond my ability to even comment on.
I am referring to natural males who decide to transition, which is their right, and then compete as females in sports. I am 6 feet, 1 inches in height. I was a bench warmer on our JV basketball team. I played in maybe 3 games during garbage time. If I had transitioned as a 16 year old I guarantee I would have been the starting on the girls team. Simply because I would be be tall (for a girl) and I had rudimentary basketball skills.
This is not prejudice on my part. These are simple facts. Men are 40% muscle compared to 28 % for women. Men have 30% more lung capacity. Men have bigger bones and larger tendons.
My son's 8th grade PE teacher called me. She was upset because he was not TRYING playing football. I found that puzzling as he is a terrific athlete and loves to compete. Than I found out it was co-ed.
Me: You mean he's playing a contact sport with the girls.
Teacher: Yes... but it's flag footbal.
Me: Are you trying to get these girls hurt? He will kill them if he tries hard.
Obviously that didn't go well.
Again, I'm not anti-trans. I fully support trans rights in all areas of their lives, except one. If a 6 foot 3 inch 225 pound 16 year old male decides to transition, a year later she is still 6'3" and has much more muscle mass than just about all 17 year old CIS women. I'm sorry dear. God played a horrible trick on you and put you in the wrong body. I support you in every aspect of your life... Except you don't get to play on the girls basketball team. It sucks but it won't be fair to the other girls.
Check out Fallon Fox. She broke her opponents eye socket. Ouch!
Re: A Question of Sport - and Trans Athletes
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Originally Posted by
steviedresses
I am not referring to inter-sexed individuals. That is a whole separate issue beyond my ability to even comment on.
I am referring to natural males who decide to transition, which is their right, and then compete as females in sports. I am 6 feet, 1 inches in height. I was a bench warmer on our JV basketball team. I played in maybe 3 games during garbage time. If I had transitioned as a 16 year old I guarantee I would have been the starting on the girls team. Simply because I would be be tall (for a girl) and I had rudimentary basketball skills.
This is not prejudice on my part. These are simple facts. Men are 40% muscle compared to 28 % for women. Men have 30% more lung capacity. Men have bigger bones and larger tendons.
My son's 8th grade PE teacher called me. She was upset because he was not TRYING playing football. I found that puzzling as he is a terrific athlete and loves to compete. Than I found out it was co-ed.
Me: You mean he's playing a contact sport with the girls.
Teacher: Yes... but it's flag footbal.
Me: Are you trying to get these girls hurt? He will kill them if he tries hard.
Obviously that didn't go well.
Again, I'm not anti-trans. I fully support trans rights in all areas of their lives, except one. If a 6 foot 3 inch 225 pound 16 year old male decides to transition, a year later she is still 6'3" and has much more muscle mass than just about all 17 year old CIS women. I'm sorry dear. God played a horrible trick on you and put you in the wrong body. I support you in every aspect of your life... Except you don't get to play on the girls basketball team. It sucks but it won't be fair to the other girls.
Check out Fallon Fox. She broke her opponents eye socket. Ouch!
Everybody responds to transition differently.
Not all sports are as physical as others.
So if a person transitions but loses muscle mass, should they still be denied the ability to compete? This isn't fair imho/
