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Some other people have been doing simple math as well. Basically, even the entire US spending on biomedical research is only a tiny fraction of its additional medical costs, so it's a very inefficient way to subsidise research.
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...-care-research
https://medium.com/@david.eil/does-a...on-8b974922d8c
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First of all, Stavros, no, it's not my rights we're talking about here. I have more rights than anyone, I'm an educated white male homeowner with an attorney. Trample on my rights and I own all your stuff.
But I certainly hope I haven't given the impression that I'm against transgender rights. Of course I'm not. In fact, I think my beloved t-girls should have extra rights, like, I dunno, the right to unlimited free coffee. No taxes. Complimentary ski lessons. Three votes apiece and an ice cream sundae with every purchase.
--I accept you don't like the man, what I am taking issue with is the way you give the President and his party an approving pass for policies that take away rights, and do it citing the Bible as justification appearing to elevate it over and above the Constitution they have sworn to defend. It may be that in 2018 the reality is that the USA has a Christian government, even if the definition of 'Christian' is contested.
The key here is you are confusing rights with benefits. The Constitution gives every American an equal right to be a citizen, if some benefit more from others owing to their wealth or the colour of their skin which also enables them to drink more coffee, that is a different issue.
But the hard truth is that transgender rights are OBJECTIVELY not a black-and-white issue.
Like the thing with the bathrooms. Consider a young Christian mother who takes her 3-year-old daughter to the bathroom and then has to answer the question, "Mommy, why was that lady peeing standing up?"
Or the military thing. Might it be detrimental to a young genetic girl in boot camp if she has to wake up next to a girl who has morning wood every day? Might she be intimidated? It could; and she might. And that's enough of a reason to raise the question of transgenders in the military.
--Transgendered Americans have been around for as long as there has been an America, and before it too if you accept they existed among the First Nations. What has changed is the law that in the past discriminated against people of varying sexual orientation and their rights to be married, for example. You are now living in a period of history when rights are being taken away from Transgendered Americans because some religious nutcases consider them to be Inferior, even a 'threat' to their idea of the 'American Family'.
As for Bathrooms, have you not noticed there are no urinals in a women's bathroom? And here in the UK I can take you to coffee shops all over my town where there is just the one bathroom, for men, women, children, the Transgendered -whoever. Maybe the US needs to re-think this issue instead of turning it into a political football without a referee or a score
But you see, Stavros, it's not as simple as you make it out to be. Of course transgenders are people just like anyone else. But they're people who are presenting society with an entirely new set of problems, and they're just going to have to let the political process work it out. Eventually the transgender rights issue will be resolved to everyone's satisfaction. But not today, these things take time. It bothers me that you're so intelligent but you can't seem to understand something that simple.
--What I can't understand is why something that has been dealt with successfully is suddenly a problem -the military found a way to incorporate Transgendered service personnel years ago, and it was working, and it did not cost a lot of money -the sudden discovery that is is a 'complex issue' is simply rubbish, what you are seeing is simple: prejudice, and the discrimination against Transgendered Americans that is central to the Republican cause, for those Republicans who believe the Bible is more important than the Constitution and for that reason would also like to ban Gay men and women from all public service -military, schools, medicine, public libraries- if they thought they could get away with it. There is a lot of hate out there, and right now it is beaming its anti-American message direct from the White House.
As for North Korea, it seems to me that South Korea stands to benefit quite a lot from a peaceful transition into recognizing North Korea and doing business with them. Donald Trump knows an opportunity when he sees one.
--The only opportunity your President sees in Korea is an opportunity to build one of his hideous buildings complete with Furnishings by Saddam. If North Korea benefits from a massive injection of 'development aid' which is what Kim is desperate for, who is going to pay for this? The US taxpayer? And where will the money go, after Kim and his mates have taken their cut?
Trump just turned 72. He also eats poorly, never exercises and has a type A personality. We can always hope.
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Guys, I feel I have said all I intended to say on Donald Trump and transgender rights about a hundred posts ago. But as is the case in any internet argument, neither side is going to change its mind or anyone else's, because only I know the real truth, and only you know the real truth.Quote:
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There are some valid reasons transgenders are slightly restricted in their activities in this country, and they relate primarily to the millennia-old religion via which the USA was founded, built, and still functions politically to a great extent. Some people do hate transgenders. Then again, some people hate blacks, some people hate the President, and some people hate all of mankind. The media never stops feeding the hate machine.
In any case I am closing my argument here, because I feel I am repeating myself, and maybe some other people who aren't directly involved in our conversation would like to have their own conversation here but are blocked from doing so by our enormous walls of text. So I'll just say, I have taken a few salient points from what you guys have said and internalized them. I hope you have done the same with some of mine.
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It would likely be the biggest party since the end of WWII.
We can only hope.
Yeah Right! I am sure Fox News and Trump himself would claim that by 1945 many Jews in Germany were warming up to Hitler, and that they were sorry the Nazis lost the war.
Nick as is the case with the President's supporters doesn't have the mileage to carry on. In any case, the main question is actually simple to ask, if hard to answer. Do 'trannies' vote for the President they think will benefit them the most, or vote for the President they think will benefit the USA the most? If it is a matter of personal freedom, civic rights and employment potential, the sitting President is a threat to all three. It is too early to say if the USA will be better economically in 2020 and that within that improvement lies the improvement to the transgendered life. On balance, I would suggest that Christian bigots and the desperate need to trash Obama's legacy is bad for Transgendered Americans, but in the end, it is up to them to speak up to let us know the truth, if the truth can be firmly established.
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Now that the thread has come full circle it's probably a good point to bring it to a close, at least until we have something new to discuss concerning Trump and transsexuals.Quote:
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Trump on " the Tranny cult " solution
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/sho...-quot-promises
https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/02/...mp-trans-2024/
https://transequality.org/the-discri...administration
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Even if it was Socialism, so the fuck what? It's insanity that a person's healthcare is tied to employment. Worse, if capitalism cannot support the healthcare of the people in the country, then capitalism is a failure. People over money.