Scene After IDF Attack In Gaza 1/1/09

Yawn... Holy text, Batman! The Jihadist & his minions are going to blow up Gothem. To the batpoles! We mustn't allow a slowdown of cash to Israel.

You're all over the place spud. You say:

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I don't see the struggle in Israel/Palestine as a religious one, I see it primarily as an anti-colonial struggle.

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I think that reducing the conflict in the occupied territories to a religious struggle is deceitful and immoral.

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The Islamic Resistance Movement is founded upon Muslims who gave their allegiance to Allah and served Him as He ought to be served. "I did not create jinns and men except that they should serve me." (Hamas Charter: Article 3 )

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in the next breath, & go on from there with more crap about the religion you hate. & don't try to deny it. This is page 36, & half of this thread is your diatribe against Islam.

You don't know what the hell you're talking about, & you're not going to learn by pasting snippets from jihadwatch or listening to some clown who thinks the daily struggle for redemption caused the Crusades. You don't want to know. You're a bigot just like any other. Probably one of those Rand cult egoists too.

In case anybody else wants to know. The Hamas charter has absolutely nothing to do with the conflict between the Israelis & Palistinians. Hamas is the new kid on the block. Before them it was the PLO, remember?

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So people like Bentham and Hume were all wrong when they argued against "natural rights".

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Of course they were. They were pompous Brit philosophers. Why should they get more deference than a bartender?

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If you truly believe in "natural rights" then why bother having them "enumerated in both the Declaration of Independence & the 9th Amendment of the Constitution"?

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The Declaration of Independence is just that. We didn't just break from the Brits. We rejected the entire European mindset. The nation is founded on a single guiding principle of unalienable rights. Everything else stems from that. The enumeration in the Declaration is preceded by the phrase: "...& among these are" The 9th Amendment says that lack of Constitutional enumeration does not preclude retention of rights by the people. The enumerations in the Constitution itself are actualy specific restrictions on government power, because according to the Declaration, governments derive their power by consent of the governed.

I can't stress enough that we are NOT Europeans. We're not Brits. We're not colonies. We're not part of the commonwealth. The Magna Carta is meaningless to us because it was just a grant.

We're not Europeans. Our demarcations aren't tribal. There are no nobles or peasants. Our culture is multicultural. We're still working out details. It's a process, but in all of our strife, the final controlling principle is unalienable rights. Without that guiding principle, you end upwith the Nederlands, where the government recinds granted "rights" to maintain order.

GAZA HORROR
Large Photo Gallery of Gaza Massacre by Israel

http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/0...cre-by-israel/

This is graphic material, but, puts this current, disproportionate attack into an objective perspective.

I am not taking sides, I am just demonstrating the reality of the situation that the heavily biased mainstream news would never, ever show. Don't kill the messenger...

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Originally Posted by hippifried

Yawn... Holy text, Batman! The Jihadist & his minions are going to blow up Gothem. To the batpoles! We mustn't allow a slowdown of cash to Israel.

You're all over the place spud. You say:

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I don't see the struggle in Israel/Palestine as a religious one, I see it primarily as an anti-colonial struggle.

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&

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I think that reducing the conflict in the occupied territories to a religious struggle is deceitful and immoral.

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then you say:

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The Islamic Resistance Movement is founded upon Muslims who gave their allegiance to Allah and served Him as He ought to be served. "I did not create jinns and men except that they should serve me." (Hamas Charter: Article 3 )

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in the next breath, & go on from there with more crap about the religion you hate. & don't try to deny it. This is page 36, & half of this thread is your diatribe against Islam.

You don't know what the hell you're talking about, & you're not going to learn by pasting snippets from jihadwatch or listening to some clown who thinks the daily struggle for redemption caused the Crusades. You don't want to know. You're a bigot just like any other. Probably one of those Rand cult egoists too.

In case anybody else wants to know. The Hamas charter has absolutely nothing to do with the conflict between the Israelis & Palistinians. Hamas is the new kid on the block. Before them it was the PLO, remember?

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It's difficult to believe that you are unable to read and write, but I know that some people have difficulty in that area. In the UK, we have a programme called The Big Plus for adults who have "fallen behind." I suggest you find an American equivalent, and enrol. Failing that, get someone to help you re-read the post you have quoted from. And you will find that those original comments were mandy's. Not mine.

This was signified by the word "mandy" at the end of the quotes. In case you do not know this, the words "niccolo" and "mandy" are different. They are not the same word. They are two different words. They refer to two entirely different people. I hope that's clear enough for you to understand.

As for the rest of your diatribe against anyone who criticises Islam, well obviously you don't know what you're talking about, and clearly no one is going to learn anything worthwhile from your posts. Andrew Bostom (a Dr and Associate Professor of Medicine at Brown University) is dismissed as "a clown", apparently I'm a "bigot" and a "Rand cult egoist" and "in case anyone wants to know" the Hamas Charter has absolutely nothing to do with how Hamas operate. Yeah, yeah ... oh so predictable, and oh so boring.

If anyone "doesn't want to know" it's you.

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Originally Posted by El Nino

I am not taking sides, I am just demonstrating the reality of the situation that the heavily biased mainstream news would never, ever show. Don't kill the messenger...

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Not taking sides? Not taking sides? I guess that's why you posted a link on at least one occasion using neo-nazi and holocaust denier Hal Turner to bolster one of your xenophobic quasi-libertarian rants, huh Nino? :roll:

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Originally Posted by chefmike

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Originally Posted by El Nino

I am not taking sides, I am just demonstrating the reality of the situation that the heavily biased mainstream news would never, ever show. Don't kill the messenger...

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Not taking sides? Not taking sides? I guess that's why you posted a link on at least one occasion using neo-nazi and holocaust denier Hal Turner to bolster one of your xenophobic quasi-libertarian rants, huh Nino? :roll:

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Chef, I posted a link to his blog ONCE, that I hastily derived from a google search. You can think whatever you want, but it was the content of the article that I was after, not the source. It was truly a one time thing. I could care less about Hal Turner and his beliefs and you know that. I am not a racist or a supremacist. You are simply playing the guilt by association game to smear me and/or anything that I may bring to the table because I stand in opposition of your overbearing, nanny-state government positions and politics. Its one of the oldest tricks in the book. Guess what? Its not working either.
It has become clear that anybody who disagrees with your belief system is on the "lunatic fringe" or "batshit crazy". Haha, you're a miserable dude Chef. Your broadly one sided and shallow writings on this site, reveal that you are essentially mindless and weak. Even more, you seem to never debate content but rather focus on insulting the individual doing the posting, with your over used, limited and meaningless adjectives. You would be an awesome Fox News employee. Why don't you go and cook up some more Bullshit, CHEF?

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I am not a racist or a supremacist.

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Uh huh. Sure, Nino. Whatever you say.

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It has become clear that anybody who disagrees with your belief system is on the "lunatic fringe" or "batshit crazy".

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No, just anybody who shills for lunatic fringe icons like Alex Jones, David Icke, et al. So your "anybody" refers to only the handful of people at HA mindless and weak enough to buy into abovementioned's paranoid theories, Nino.

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Chef. Your broadly one sided and shallow writings on this site, reveal that you are essentially mindless and weak.

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Mindless and weak is a perfect description for someone like yourself who buys into the wild-eyed propaganda that you spew constantly. See above.

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Even more, you seem to never debate content but rather focus on insulting the individual doing the posting, with your over used, limited and meaningless adjectives.

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YOUR "content"? What content would that be, Nino? Paranoid quasi-libertarianism?

"I’ve written before that I believe that Alex Jones, the John Birch Society, groups like 9/11 Truth and the more extreme elements of the Ron Paul movement are potential precursors to the kind of virulent, cult-like nationalism which launched the Fascists and the Nazis into power in the middle of the last century. Their creation of imaginary enemy groups and oppressive elites are part of a program to forge a shared identity for their followers and promote a mood of constant, irrational outrage. By divorcing their followers from reality and offering themselves up as the source of the only true answers, these demagogues lay the foundation for the kind of populist movement which starts out demanding freedom and ends up enslaving everyone.


It begins with angry mobs of idealists demanding freedom and decrying shadowy enemies of the people. The next step is blind obedience to a leader who promises to give them that freedom and destroy those enemies. The next step is the widening of the definition of the enemy to include almost everyone. The final step is an authoritarian state where freedom has become slavery in the grand Orwellian tradition and all power rests in the hands of a supreme leader and his inner circle of loyalists. Hitler and Mussolini and Lenin and Robespierre all started this way, promising to free their people from oppressive government and the business elite and the priests and the jews and the aristocrats who conspired against them. They all ended up the same way as well, in blood and war and destruction.

As an example of where these movements might be going, I offer the Grant Kidney Revolution, an amazing site from a would be demagogue who espouses what appears to be the same kind of paranoid quasi-libertarianism as Alex Jones, Lou Dobbs, Ron Paul and their followers, but at the same time is unabashed about his overwhelming desire to be a modern-day Hitler. It’s possible that Kidney’s site, books and videos are all part of an elaborate and absolutely brilliant deep satire of the political fringe, but if it’s satire it hits far too close to the truth to be funny.

I’m not suggesting that there is anyone out there who follows Kidney or takes him at all seriously, but he is a poster boy for what the next step beyond Infowars.com and the Ron Paul Revolution is likely to look like. If he were a bit less obviously Hitlerian and had a wider audience and some followers he’d be truly scary. And he’s only a hair’s breadth farther down the same road that Jones and Paul and their followers are taking the first steps on.

Demagoguery and delusion are a powerful combination. Once you get people accepting lies as truth it’s not a big step to get them to accept slavery as freedom and evil as good. Groups like 9/11 Truth and the John Birch Society have shown that they can sell the big lie to an awful lot of people. Leaders like Alex Jones and Ron Paul have shown that they can capitalize on it to make money and launch political movements. If conditions are right and a strong and charismatic leader arises to spread the delusion and capitalize on the lies, the groundwork has been laid and the foot soldiers have already been recruited to take such a movement from its idealistic start to its grim and inevitable conclusion."

http://fontcraft.com/idiotwars/?p=116

hahaha... That is some true and rehashed words of wisdom; and novel thinking there, pal. Name calling and Guilt by association techniques again, I see...

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Originally Posted by El Nino

hahaha... That is some true and rehashed words of wisdom; and novel thinking there, pal. Name calling and Guilt by association techniques again, I see...

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Is there some other Nino we don't know about?

One who doesn't align himself with/defend tirelessly a nutjob like Alex Jones?

One who hasn't posted links to other acorn academy alumni like David Icke and Hal Turner?

One who doesn't bash President Obama every chance he gets because John Birch Society poster boy Ron Paul's nomination bid failed(just as everyone knew it would)?

Pray tell where is this other Nino hiding?

Do you have him locked away in your bunker where you lay in wait for the black helicopters to start rounding up people for the camps?