Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by Paladin

China tried pop control with their failed one child policy whics was very draconian. The result is 35 MILLION More men than women in there. India's moronic social caste system and "value" of baby boys over baby girls has led to the same result 35 Million more men than women there too.

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But what better way to ensure population control? Reduce the number of child bearers and you reduce the number of children.

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Originally Posted by NormallyNorm

FWIW, the Diamond Princess Cruise ship works as a great case study because it's one place where we know there was 100% exposure to the virus, and apparently 27% of the passengers proved to be completely asymptomatic, which is quite high, but obviously not nearly as high as 50-75%

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Quite true. There were 3,711 total on board. 712 were positive. that's a 19% infection rate in very confined spaces. Of the 712 about 50% were asymptomatic. that means half who actually get it would never know. Of the 712, 14 have dies. That's a 1.9% fatality rate. Not too good, but the average on that ship was way over 60 (probably mid 70s, who goes on a cruise ship in the central pacific in Jan?), the HK person on the ship who probably started it was 80.

The infection rate is similar to the Global Princess which was 17% (78 out of 469 tested) but there were far more than 469 on that ship.

There are studies that show the true fatality rate to be less than 0.5%, but it is probably even lower than that. If one takes an 18% infection rate and applies to the US population, so 18% of 330 million leaves some 60 million probable infections. We're looking at some 150,000 deaths here or 0.25% fatality rate.

Most of the folks who were going to get this have gotten it. Some 62% of the recent new cases in NYC were those who "stayed home", according to the governor. This means they already had it and it was slow acting or someone visited them or they were lying.

That's not to trivialize this, because this went all the way around the world thanks to china.

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Originally Posted by Nikka

AVianca airline offered a Bonus for 6 more month, I cannot believe it but lets just wait

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Aren't they kaput now? One of the oldest continually operating scheduled carriers, gone.

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Originally Posted by filghy2

Even if he cares only about reelection the smarter strategy would have been to act early and decisively to get on top of it, then ease off gradually after a prudent period once cases fall to low levels. That would give you a good chance that things would be clearly improving by November. But that would be beyond Trump's skill set and psychological makeup. It's clear that he will be itching to open up the economy again as soon as there is a run of improving data.

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He did. He cut off travel from china when nobody else did and was called a racist xenophobe for doing so.
Unfortunately because of china's complicity, lying, etc. It had already been spreading around the globe for some three or more months.

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Originally Posted by Fitzcarraldo

There are an awful lot of cases in hot, humid Florida. The Australian population, in general, is more dispersed than in the US. Big cities like Melbourne and Sydney are fairly dense, but most of the country isn't. Surely that's a factor.

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Think! Fl and NY have very close overall population densities, but NY has more than 7x the number of cases.

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Originally Posted by broncofan

I'm in Pittsburgh, PA. We had someone do that at a store and they had to throw away thousands of dollars worth of merchandise. Stuff like that makes you lose faith in humanity. Right now on right wing media they are claiming that coronavirus deaths are being intentionally inflated.

They give an example of someone who has a heart condition who then has a heart attack during the late stages of Covid-19. The attribution to covid-19 is correct imo because someone with an underlying condition might only have a fatal exacerbation of that condition when dealing with a serious virus. If anything there's a lot of evidence deaths have been under-counted in New York because the number of people dying per day at home has been much higher since the outbreak.

BTW, I have a sibling in Miami. Desantis waited too long to shut things down, and I think there's a religious gathering exemption, but your numbers don't look much worse if at all than ours in PA.

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FL has almost twice the population density of PA but PA has 1.5x then number of cases. 3x overall factor.

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Originally Posted by dakota87

Truth is most people were downplaying the problem because Chinese communist party wasn’t being truthful. The Chinese who did try to sound warning alarms were muzzled or were disappeared.

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Chine flat out lied and the witless WHO backed up their lie.

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Originally Posted by african1

Now here is part 2:

Who told you I am a Trump Supporter? I just wrote two days ago that I sit in the Middle. I actually voted for Hillary in 2016. I also supported her in 2008. I am glad I was wrong in both instances because I can only imagine her handling of China and the Travel ban imposed on February 6th. And also as Obama turned up to be a good president with few shortcomings nonetheless. You can even read my posts from 2012 where I used to debate Republicans here and defend Obama because I felt most the criticism labeled against him was in essence, in its deep core racial. But let's be honest, the US is doing just fine. People are going to die from this. Anyone who believes Chinese death figures, well they are not very smart.

The fact is: China Lied and People Died. I put this squarely on China who decided to send 5 MILLION AMBASSADORS OF DEATH around the world. Trump did the unthinkable and shut down all travel from China. He was attacked by the NYTimes, CNN, MSNBC and every major media outlet out there. I will post clips in a later post to remind everyone. Sleepy Joe Biden called his actions Xenophobic. Now the media, like China is trying to rewrite History. At least watch some of the videos I posted. Only one or two are from SkyNews Australia. And all videos are backed by evidence. Now the Travel Ban could not have been imposed had Trump not won the Supreme Court Case in his Travel ban on Syria, Yemen, Lybia, Iran, Somalia and Sudan. It made it easy to implement new travel bans. Maybe a blessing in disguise.

Now the only problem, we should have shut down travel from Europe too. But because of Chinese lies, no one knew the extent of the danger until Italy (a democratic and open country) started reporting the correct figures. China acted like the virus can be controlled. But Italy told us the truth and then the World woke up. By then, it was too late.

Didn't the WHO and China kept saying there is no human to human contagion way until the end of January?!!!! And even when we closed Chinese fights to the US, WHO criticized the decision!!! How do you answer to that? And please don't mention FoxNews again, because (1) I don't work for them, and (2) I couldn't care less about them.

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This needs to be brought to the forefront.

Was back, as far back as OCTOBER, China was already blocking off roads outside of that town. They completely sealed off Wuhan from all ground travel out AND halted ALL DOMESTIC air travel out of Wuhan to other parts of china.

But they continued to allow INTERNATIONAL air travel out, at least until Pres Trump stopped it here to the US, but by that time tens or hundreds of thousands had traveled from Wuhan to the US and even more to other countries. There were three flights per week to NYC from Wuhan. More to several other major USA cities and even more to other countries like Italy which is a popular chinese tourist destination right at that time, Iran who sells A LOT of oil to china (those poor fools made it even worse for themselves), and other European destinations.

Do some math.

That was the seed for global spread.

And as african2 notes the witless WHO LIED when they said there is no human to human contagion way until the end of January"

China deliberately allowed this to spread to the rest of the world while they took severe active steps to prevent it from spreading within their own country. And they actively tried to corner the global market for PPE at the same time.

That's the bottom line.

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Originally Posted by filghy2

Can anyone comment on why California has done so much better in containing the virus? I think I read that they had twice as many returnees from China as New York state, yet deaths in New York are 30 times greater relative to the population.

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New York City is unique in the US, really in the world. It is one of the most densely populated places in the world, with only Tokyo possibly surpassing it. The greater NY metro area is also unique in that a very large percentage of the population uses public transportation or similar means of getting around within the area and to / from work in the outer areas. I lived some 65 miles north of the city and took trains in every day and I wasn't on the last stop. You take a 70 mile radius circle centered on NYC and you will snag well over 10 Million people. That's like the entire state of Ohio, all exposed to the dense NYC and public transportation.

And this put NYC right smack in the cross-hairs of the virus bullseye.

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Originally Posted by Paladin

He did. He cut off travel from china when nobody else did and was called a racist xenophobe for doing so.
Unfortunately because of china's complicity, lying, etc. It had already been spreading around the globe for some three or more months.

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"Travel data of passengers arriving in the United States from China during the critical period in December, January and February, when the disease took hold in that country, shows a stunning 759,493 people entered the U.S.
"This is an astonishing number in a short period of time, illustrating how globalized our world has become. Just as people can hop continents with amazing ease, the infections they carry can too," said Dr. Vinayak Kumar, an internal medicine resident at the Mayo Clinic and a contributor to the ABC News Medical Unit."
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/disa...ry?id=69933625

"Nearly 40,000 Americans and authorized travelers have come into the U.S. from China since President Trump imposed travel restrictions more than two months ago, the New York Times reports."
https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-tr...deb1ce0b3.html

a) Your President failed to impose a natiowide halt to traffic in and out of the US in January, as GW Bush did on 9/11, Reason? He is a coward and doesn't care about the lives of Americans, whom he has dismissed as 'Human Scum'. His attitude was broadcast for all to hear on the 13th January: "I take no responsibility at all".

b) The Lab in Wuhan does research coronoviruses on Bats (so do labs in other countries), but research has shown the strain of Covid 19 is not related to the strains being tested in Wuhan-
"Wuhan lab had three live bat coronaviruses: Chinese state media. The Chinese virology institute in Wuhan, the city where Covid-19 first emerged, has three live strains of bat coronavirus on-site, but none match the new contagion wreaking chaos across the world, its director has said, AFP reports. The director of the Wuhan Institute of Virology told state broadcaster CGTN that claims made by US President Donald Trump and others the virus could have leaked from the facility were “pure fabrication”."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/li...e-in-us-summer (at 05.45am)

-Problem is that when your President makes lying a constant fixture of his public statements, it is hard to know when he is telling the truth and when he is lying. He has embarked on an anti-China campaign to cover up the details of his own incompetence. In the US it is his virus, he owns it, and has only proven so far that he is an incompetent manager of public administration, with the net closing in on 100,000 fatalities while 1,621,669 infections in the US were recorded by 22nd May 2020.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...de-by-country/


Focus your concern on the US, because right now that is where your problem is.