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Originally Posted by blackchubby38
Hillary was favored in every single poll......
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Exactly!Quote:
Originally Posted by blackchubby38
Hillary was favored in every single poll......
Correct again!Quote:
Originally Posted by blackchubby38
"Broncofan",
Your bias never ceases to amaze me!
You give me a "thumbs down" for quoting something from someone else but do not give the ORIGINAL POSTER a "thumbs down"
LMAO!!!!!
I amaze myself sometimes. The original post was fine. I don't agree with every point, but at least it was a view. You posted three times without saying anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrFanti
First, the same argument about how not every Black person likes the Democratic party. Fine, but your political views are still not that well represented within the Black community. Posting a two month old article doesn't change that. And btw, everyone agrees that you're entitled to your views....that doesn't mean those views are all that common.
Then two more posts just to say you agree with someone. Since when does a post need your pronouncement that it's correct? Like the post and write something of your own for the love of all things holy. Not a big deal but the cheerleading is annoying. Should I just quote you from now on and say "incorrect!" every time I disagree. I figured it was just easier to dislike your post. Have a good evening!
No dispute from me, given I live in a normal country that has such a system. It's beyond belief to me that a democracy would have a system where the parties competing in the election run the voting process - as well as relying on the losing party being willing to certify that it lost. That looks like a powder keg just waiting to explode and the November election could be the spark that does it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
This recent article suggests that overall violent crime is actually down on last year, though murders are up. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/06/u...ronavirus.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by blackchubby38
If there has been an increase, why do you attribute it to the protests rather than the economic downturn and lockdowns caused by the coronavirus?
The US is about the most heavily-policed developed country in the world, yet it also has the highest rates of violent crime. Doesn't that suggest that more law and order can't be a sufficient solution - that there also has to be a focus on the underlying economic and social factors?
The only outlandish and dangerous idea I've heard from some Democrats is the suggestion that police be de-funded. It doesn't have mainstream support and is not anything close to part of Joe Biden's platform. Most policing is done locally as police forces are enforcing state law.
When I hear a crazy idea from the left I generally assume it will not be represented in a Biden administration. When I hear a crazy comment from someone on the right, I not only think Trump will have surrogates who agree with it, but he will never clearly denounce the bad idea if it comes from someone who flatters him.
If someone wants to vote for Trump over Biden I assume they were looking for an excuse to all along. Biden could not more clearly represent a return to normalcy; respect for rule of law, respect for experts, and respect for constitutional norms. No more threatening retribution on people doing their jobs, no more threatening political opponents with prosecution, no more intervening on behalf of friends, no more financial self-dealing, no more threatening war on twitter, and no more threatening war crimes like he did with Iran.
I honestly think Biden should be the ideal candidate for moderates and independents given the fact that he's been around forever and is pragmatic. You can always cherrypick something scary about something in certain parts of the left but you're talking about total entrenchment of that extremism on the right...
I didn't mean to make it sound like the protests were the cause of the spike in violent crime. Just saying what's been happening since then. Here in NYC there has been a rise in shootings and murder when you compare that stats to last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by filghy2
Through July 12, the city has recorded 634 shootings compared to 394 for the same period last year, a 60% increase. There have been 203 murders so far in 2020, a 23% jump compared to same time period in 2019, when the city recorded 165 killings.
I don't think the economic downturn isn't the only reason why that has happened.
The state recently passed a bail reform law and even before the pandemic there was evidence that it wasn't working. There are people who are out on the streets that just shouldn't be. You combine that with an economic downturn, a pandemic and shitty leadership on the local level, then the people who these reforms are supposed to help are usually the ones who wind up getting hurt in the end.
While you can focus on underlying economic and social factors, you still need smart and effective policing to combat crime.
http:////www.cnn.com/2020/07/18/us/n...ers/index.html
A good point, but not relevant to this thread is the reserve power of the Governor-General, partly due to the recent release of Sir John Kerr's justification for sacking Gough Whitlam (an act that trashed the Labour Party yet led to the reforms that enabled Bob Hawke to take command by the end of the decade)- I wonder, is it because the Queen remains Head of State in Australia that the Governor-General retains 'reserve powers', and, if Austalia were to become a Republic, would a President have the same powers?Quote:
Originally Posted by filghy2
And the polls were right! She won nearly 3 million more votes than her rival for the White House. Clinton lost the Electoral College, with the smallest of margins in what, four States?Quote:
Originally Posted by MrFanti
Look, Mr Fanti, nobody here disagrees with you, that there is a diversity of politics among Black Americans, and I think most of us can agree that for years the Democrats have taken 'the Black Vote' for granted.
But so too has the Republican Party, or are you telling me that the strenuous efforts made to remove Black people from the electoral register in Republican run States, to impose financial conditions on registering to vote for ex-convicts, to closing polling stations on election day in primarily Black areas, is 'simple racism', ie- because the people are Black? Or is it because the Republicans also assume all Black people in, say, the Carolinas vote Democrat?
I would prefer, too, a more important analysis of the structural issues involved here- how, over the 100 years after 'Juneteenth', there was a significant geographical shift among Black Americans, from rural areas to urban areas, and how this was motivated by the availability of jobs -partcularly in Los Angeles, which, as Mike Davis argued in City of Quartz (1990) was originally estabished as a community of White Christians fleeing the North-West to get away from the Blacks and the Jews, with the added intention to shut them out of their Shangri-La, at which they failed (having dismissed the film industry as a waste of time and money, they left it to the Jews they despised on the basis they would fail -ha-ha on that one!).
Is it the case that the importance of Black Americans as industrial workers (auto in Michigan, aerospace in California) condemned them to become the 'urban poor' when automation and re-structuring between 1960-2000 shredded the jobs they once had? They became ripe for the welfare system that Murray and others has argued has undermined 'the Black family', (important to create a 'unique' problem) to which one adds the desperate effect narcotics has had on Black Urban America, with the additional availabiity of guns -though one notes, pace Chicago, that the phenomenal rate of drug-related crime and murder in Washington DC in the 1980s and 1990s has since declined , and why is that?
There is a fascinating profile in today's paper of that exquisite actor, Alfre Woodard, due to the release of the film Clemency. In it, she not only points out her great-grandfather was born into slavery, that-
"...he showed up in records as ‘property’ when he was eight years old” – but that after emancipation he went on to be a landowner with his own acres. “There was a period of reconstruction right after the proclamation. These people had only the rags on their backs, but they got out there and did it for themselves,” Woodard says. “That story rarely gets told, but what a great lesson it would make. We had more black representation in the legislature in that period, before lynching and the Jim Crow laws, than we had up until about a decade ago.” (my underlinings)
https://www.theguardian.com/film/202...-film-clemency
The key point is that Black people not only had the ability, then as now, to make something of their lives without welfare or affirmative action, but that many of the wider advances, in voting rights and crucially, access to senior offices in the US Government -were then taken away from Black people, not because they were not good at being Postmaster General or civil servants, but because they were Black. Yet for some, this reinforced their need for self-reliance, so that, as Woodard says of the Tulsa community in which she was raised-
"Ironically, partly because of segregation the community she grew up in was incredibly vibrant, she says. “Everyone lived together – doctors, lawyers, ballerinas, pole dancers. You could go to the well-off white part of town, but not to the white working-class areas. The butting of heads was between well-off black people and working-class whites. Classism was as important as racism in some ways.”
Here is the point: what does a man or woman do if they are not Doctors, Lawyers or Ballerinas? What if their standard of education is lower, less well-funded than their parents? Clearly some continue to do well, but we always come back to this unknown factor in Libertarian arguments, that if you take away welfare, former dependents will get jobs, that markets and individuals provide- what happens to the losers? Those who fail? Some fail through personal inadequacy, that is true of all segments of society, but suppose failure is the consequence of poverty at every level, in terms of income, and mentality? And, have Black Americans, rural or urban been most disadvantaged, and since when?
These issues -poverty, urban violence + drugs + gangs cannot be dismissed as something to do with 'race' -surely it is embedded in the complications of the way the USA experiences capitalism, the distribution of work, as well as the distrbution of income? After all, the majority of White Americans are not Doctors, Lawyers or Ballerinas too.