17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?

Yes thank you for the correction. :werd:

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you mean

Once the two forensic experts show it was Trayvon it's a wrap for Zimmerman!!! Because that will show he lied and if you lie one time your credibility is shot!!!

its already a wrap for zimmerman

he caught in many lies and inconsistency's



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It doesn't matter to me what you think the definition is. And it's also funny that you'd pick a site that contradicts your orginal point and uses hatred of another race as the DEFINITION of RACISM. If you hate a whole ethnic group you're being racist, end of story. Don't try to justify racism. So it has to affect people huh? Well don't you think BEFORE it affects people it starts with HATE. Come on now.

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LOL Of course it doesn't matter to you, that's why you don't know the real definition. There are people that hate races and never start anything, that's why I am telling you racism is an action and the definition showed you IT'S A SYSTEM!!! No that went right over your head. Do you even know how to read a dictionary? I'd pick a site that contradict my original point? hell are you talking about? We are having a debate, or dialogue or whatever you want to call it. I have been consistent in what I have said. You don't know the meaning of rasicm and you don't know the difference between hate and racism you think they are the same. :screwy

Right there I see where you are coming from Prospero and if I didn't have knowledge of racism I would of said yes, the Nazi's killing of Ashkenazi Khazar Caucasian converted Jews was racism.

But..... Here's the killer, the so called Caucasian Khazar converted Jews in Isreal right now that were put there in 1948 are not the original Jews/Hebrew Isrealites. They are Caucasian Khazars they are not of the original bloodline of the original Jews. So if Hitler who is Caucasian did what he did against another Caucasian group, how can that be racism?

If I am African descent for example say I hate all African descent people and start killing my own people is that racism? How? When I am one of my own people? It's called SELF HATRED!!! Not racism. So Hitler who was a German Caucasian hating and killing Khazar Caucasian converted Jews was a Caucasian on Caucasian crime and not racism, I hope you understand where I am coming from. Simply you can't be part of a race and hate it and call it racism, it's only self hate that it becomes.

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So following Jamesedward's definition of racism the persecution of the Jews by the Nazis was not racism?

I know where he is coming from. The notion that briefly held currency that it is or was impossible for a group who in a minority and have been historically discriminated against cannot be racist towards the majority group that oppresses them. But this is an politically expedient political position and certainly not really based on a n honest examination of the behaviour of groups.

Thus there have in recent times been any times when a group who might be seen to be oppressed are racist towards another group. in the Uk for instance the Afro-Caribbean community practice discriminations the Somali community. Many people from Trinidad hate Jamaicans. And in the Zimbabwe under Ronert Mugabe there has, for some years, been clear proof of discrimination again the former white ruling group. You might try to justify that as revenge but it is - nonetheless - racist.

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Sorry James - your remarks about the jews etc are just plain bonkers. End of my brief conversation with you.

Right now this is what I will show what real racism is.

Racism by the original definition, not my definition is a movement of one race feeling superior to another race. That race enslaving the other race because of their superiority, the race that feels superior uses a system to make the other race feel inferior and effect that other race by depriving them of education, political equality, economic equality and social equality.

That's real racism that was put into action. Caucasians who are of another race showed racism to Africans who are of another race. To say racism is hating another race is not racism, because you can hate a race and not follow that system that I just gave the four points on.

African descent people in south Africa and in America is not on an equal ground with politics, the Govt is mostly ran by Caucasians and they make all the decisions.
Economics, Caucasians run this country's money system and African descent is not on an equal stage with it.
Education, definitely not equal we all know that, and definitely not equal on a social level.
When you hold another race from equality from your own race THAT'S RACISM!!!
To hate another race isn't, you're just making a conscious declaration without action of depriving a race or ethnic group EQUALITY!!!

Number 2 says a SYSTEM OF GOVT, but never tells you what that system really comprise of. DEPRIVING ANOTHER RACE FROM POLITICAL, ECONOMIC, SOCIAL AND EDUCATIONAL EQUALITY!!!
When you study law it will tell you this shit, that's why people will think racism is only hate and not even say what I said, so racism is not really hate it's the system used by another race on another race of people.

Example Maddygirl never once said a race that feels superior over another race, or a system, she went and used the 3 modern answer that evolved it's way into this definition and is mostly highly used and when you have numbers 1 & 2 definition basically almost never used when they are first before number 3.

I tell you people they use words of art that's what the legal system is about WORDS OF ART. If anyone has studied law knows what I am talking about.

RACISM
1.
a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2.
a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination (no equality).
3.
hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

That is why I said African descent people can't be racist in this country they can prejudge and hate, but never be actually a racist by it's real definition.
In order for that to happen we would have to run this system and be unjust to Caucasians on all four points I mentioned which is not happening!!! And don't give me that bullshit about Obama being the first black president, first off He's not black, he's mixed with an African father and Caucasian mother!!! So he's the first mixed president, when you have a president that have two African descent parents you will have the first African American President. I already dropped the science on being called black.

They have people thinking and saying all types of dumb shit, and when a person like me try to school people I get jumped on.
They got you think a brown complexion person is black when that's fucking false, they got you thinking a person with the complexion of the color of a banana is brown, wtf, a banana by color is YELLOW, its not fucking brown, see the words of art they use and people go for that shit. That's why I don't use color for people we are not fucking crayons in a box, we are different complexions, I never seen an orange person, green, purple, violet, etc. We are humans not things.

Funny when I say shit like slavery is still in the constitution motha fuckas laugh and think I am stupid and say slick dumb shit, but their asses don't know or never have read the whole dam constitution, and try to ridicule me on it, and don't know what the fuck they are talking about.

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If you think the racial makeup of U.S. prisons is purely a criminological analysis and doesn't factor in a racial bias from both the police and the court system, you my friend are the one with his 'head in the sand.'

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The fact is that the U.S locks more people up than any other county in the world by far.

The drug and weapon laws were all written with minorities as the intended target. The way the system is set up, it is damn near impossible to ever get your life back and live up to your potential. There is just too much money in incarcerating people.

History will look back on us as barbarians.

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Sorry James - your remarks about the jews etc are just plain bonkers. End of my brief conversation with you.

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Ok, cool no problem, I expect that from people that are not learned on history, and linguistics and not on an academic level. Ending the conversion is expected especially when you can't back up why you have ended the convo.
Everything I am saying I CAN PROVE WITH DOCUMENTATION, EPIGRAPHIC EVIDENCE ALONG WITH PICTURES AND LINGUISTICS ON AN ACADEMIC LEVEL!!!

But since you couldn't talk about the so called Jews I won't go into it, but that's another history lesson on it's on. I already said the shit I know I couldn't possibly type here it would shut down HA.

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The fact is that the U.S locks more people up than any other county in the world by far.

The drug and weapon laws were all written with minorities as the intended target. The way the system is set up, it is damn near impossible to ever get your life back and live up to your potential. There is just too much money in incarcerating people.

History will look back on us as barbarians.

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WOOOOOWWWWWW!!!! I couldn't even argue with that shit if I could try and compel myself to. WOOOOOOOWWWWWW!!!!

What Giovanni is saying though these lockups is not base purely on criminal basis but on a racial bias.

There's a practical definition of the word 'racism' that everyone knows and uses, and a more academic definition that sort of confuses the whole issue.

I know where jamesedwards is coming from, but personally I've moved away from the latter definition and the only distinction I will make is between general, individual racism and institutional racism.

That macro-definition of racism became vogue in the late 1980s, early 1990s.
However I personally know Black people I would describe as racist, even if they lack the wherewithal to affect the lives of others with their hatred.

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Sorry James - your remarks about the jews etc are just plain bonkers. End of my brief conversation with you.

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If you have the stomach (and/or time) to go back and read his posts you will find that he blames immigrants for the deterioration of black communites (I thought legal immigration was supposed to be a good thing). He also takes a cheap shot at Asian food as being nasty and unhealthy (this came out of left field BTW). He also insists that he can't be a racist because he's black (and he loves to argue semantics so watch out).

James is a poster child for black paranoia and insecurity. A veritable poster child. No mention of accoutability. No mention of personal responsibility. Just a laundry list of accusations against the establishment, immigrants, white people, the government, the courts....Most people in the black community probably feel this way so what can you do? Nothing. Nothing is going to change - he won't chagne my mind and I won't change his.

You can sum up my fellings thusly:

I find it loathsome and hypocritical that people in the black community insisnt on convicting Zimmerman of a hate crime when they refuse to hold themselves accountable to the same standards. The two USC grad students (and the white man in Sanford, FL who was beat almost to death with a hammer by two black youths a week after the Zimmerman case came to light) are examples. It is complete and utter hypocrisy.


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I believe (honestly) that many black people are fueled by anger and hatred (yes hatred) towards other races and this is why they are violent towards them. The mere fact that a black person hasn't been convicted of a hate crime (to my knowledge) is just proof of what a completey absurd law it is. It is nothing more than a political weapon put in place by liberal dick-suckers to chip away at the establishemnt. The law has nothing at all to do with justice, for if it did black people would ROUTINELY be convicted of hate crimes.

Let me drop some science on you who want it.

Right now in NYC and other inner cities, police are asked to fill a quota to help get young African descent youth, mainly males into the system even if it's temporary, and this really ends up to violate civil rights.

Example. Lets say 5 years are walking with their pants sagging at night and cops roll by, cops will ask the youth a dumb ass agitated question because they know how to mess with the Psyche of youth. A youth, all they got to do is say WHAT THE FUCK and the cops jump out of the car and frisk them for weapons and so forth. Youth don't know their rights and so rights are violated all the times in those cases. The cops want it to escalate in to some thing bigger. Then they take the youth down to be finger printed, and run them through the system, but they never go to jail. That's it, the job was done. I know you say "JAMES FUCK YOU TALKING ABOUT".

FINGER PRINTING!!! At a certain point the United States want everyone's prints in the system, this is one way they do it. You catch them at their youth and they just want their finger prints because they have in their minds these youths will commit a crime and we will already have their prints and can shut down having alias names.

Another way they do it which is super slick, VOLUNTARY FINGER PRINTING!!! At a bank or large super market wherever business flows in African descent areas, because I never seen this set up in Caucasian dominant areas, but we will use a bank for example.

At a bank a Caucasian woman, not men because the woman is emotionally attached to children naturally, they will use a woman. And yes this is racial because African descent people is not going to just do this with another African American, they already tested that out and it doesn't work.
She will stand outside the bank with a table and a bunch of free stuffed toys that children love. A parent with the child is the primary target but they go after teenagers and adults also if they think they can get them. and I will tell you a funny story with me how I found out.
So an African man or woman with their young child from 3 on up to 7 comes to the bank and when they come the woman will wave the stuffed animal toy, so what you think the first thing will happen? The child reaches, BAMMMMMMMMM GOTCHA!!!

So the woman says "THIS IS A FREE TOY FOR THE CHILD AND YOU CAN HAVE YOUR FINGER PRINTS DONE ALSO TO HELP PROTECT YOUR CHILD AGAINST PREDATORS AND CHILD MOLESTERS ETC BULLSHIT", they will run on you. Not thinking consciously, the parent is moved on the emotions of the child takes their babies and voluntary gives these people their finger prints, and now you're child is in the dam system VOLUNTARILY!!! If some thing were to happen to your child in like 18 years with law enforcement or anything they will be able to tell you they have your child prints and you will sit there like "HOW IN THE FUCK ", think back to when your child was 4 and you volunteered their finger prints.
Then they will ask the parent do they want it also, some will say yes and some will say no, but their target was the child and they did their job.

Now here is the funny story with me. I am going into the bank, as I approach, I am seeing the lady roll the child fingers in print like a cop would do a suspect. So she gives the child the stuff toy, and I am observing this but I didn't catch on. So I go back to the same bank the next day and who do I see, the same dame woman doing the same thing now she have two African descent women with their children doing this finger printing shit. So I walk a little slower and watching it go down and the children giggling and the parents all hyped they getting some thing for free for the children. so I just stood there in the corner watching playing with my cell like I am making a call. So another African Descent woman comes then a Hispanic woman comes and she gets them, she is catching them like white on rice, now she has a line, you would think this woman was a cop finger printing people. So I am baffled about what the hell is going on. So I go in the bank handle my business but now I am conscious about what is going on, being I worked in law I go home and start calling my peeps about finger printing. So I talk to about 4 attorneys and I ask them is it against the law to take people's finger prints and they all said the same thing "NOT IF IT'S VOLUNTARY". BAMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!

That's how she was getting them voluntary. Because a person can not take your finger prints that's like taking your ATM card without your permission, if you give them permission then you just gave your shit over to the system willingly. So I got to the back I think 2 days in a row the woman wasn't there. So I go on a Saturday with out thinking about her and guess who was out there, FINGER PRINT LADY lol that's what I called her. She had a couple of people, smiling and all bubbly and shit, and she had the audacity to ask MUUUUUUUUUUUWAH!!!LOL Why did she do that shit. After all the research I did on it and everything. So I told her I would be out, because the bank close early on Sat and I didn't wanna get caught out there, so when I came out she had a crack line lol and I just stood there. At this point I was getting angry because she was doing a job and she might and might not know what she is doing.

So she got to me and there were two mothers behind me with their children that came out the bank because she wanted to get them. So I was fucking with her and said "OH SO YOU WANT ME TO GIVE YOU MY FINGER PRINTS, WHY "? She said "IT'S FOR YOUR PROTECTION AND PRECAUTIONS OF ANYTHING THAT MAY HAPPEN TO YOU". See I peeped her shit she tell the parents some thing totally different than what she tell grown ups, about child molesters, missing children yada yada bullshit.

So I asked in a humorous way because I am now stalling on purpose so the women behind me won't sign up. so I asked "DON'T I GET A STUFFY WUFFY TOO?" the women laughed and she laughed, then she said "NO THOSE ARE FOR THE CHILDREN BUT IF YOU LIKE YOU CAN SIGN UP FOR A 10 DOLLAR GIFT CERTIFICATE FOR WALMART" I think it was Walmart, not sure, but anyway she said that, and I made another joke laughing "HEY JUST 10 DOLLARS CAN I GET 2 WHAT AM I GOING TO BUY IN WALMART FOR 10 DOLLARS?" so we laughed again. Then I said "SO YOU WANT ME TO JUST SIGN AND HAND YOU OVER MY FINGER PRINTS VOLUNTARILY RIGHT"? She had this look on her face like she was about to be busted, she don't want you to ask any questions to the finger printing so now I know that she knows what she is doing. I told her that by taking my finger prints they could be used for future processing and that it's against the law for someone to have my finger prints but it's not if a person volunteers their finger prints and I didn't know her and I couldn't trust her with my prints just like I wouldn't trust her with my social security numbers. I asked her "HAVE YOU DONE THIS ON YOURSELF?...OH OF COURSE YOU HAVE BECAUSE IN ORDER TO DO THIS JOB YOU HAVE TO BE FINGER PRINTED IN CASE SOME THING GOES WRONG". She was not smiling and the women behind me were attentive, and I told her, "YOU'RE IN AN African american community getting free prints where all these people will be in the police system and they have committed no crime, and I would like your name and I am going to report this to the borough president about this matter because it's not right". I put her ass on the spot, because if she didn't want to give me her name then it was definitely a super scam, she she nervously gave me her name and I went inside the bank and talked to the manager, to tell them this was wrong, the African descent manager even agreed.
So I told the African descent women that were there don't sign up and put your child through that and it's not right and this can be banned. So they didn't do it, she still tried and I stood outside telling parents not to do it for about 30 minutes and the manager came out. She told she knew what I was doing and I should do what I said, so I did and got to the borough president and got that shit shut down. Now she's not out there, but I know there are more out there and it's a shame that my people have to be racially profile for future purposes.

Race is a concept that was developed in order to categorise people in order to rank them in terms of quality, so there are no prizes for guessing who gets top spot and what the people at the other end of the scale look like. Ivan Hannaford has looked at the rich history of this concept, from a time when it did not exist, from a time when it meant something different from what it is today, and in all cases, something made up by humans with the assumption of 'scientific' rigour.

Race as 'science' was discredited as a consequence of its application in the Third Reich and for the obvious reasons. Race continues to be applied with dismal results, as anyone familiar with the claims of the controversial psychiatrist, HK Eysenck will know, where intelligence is claimed to be determined by race, which enables certain people to be ranked as Highly Intelligent, and others as being not very intelligent, and I don't need to say more about it.

Racism has become a convenient tag for people too lazy to think through the concept and realise that any so-called 'system' that classifies human beings according to the shape of their eyes, the width of their lips, the colour of their skin, the fruit of their brains, or whatever else is claimed, is an invitation to discrimination, which is the key agency at work and the most insidious if fatally human reaction that societies have to people they class as 'outsiders'.

Read Frank Snowden's wonderful history Naples in the Time of Cholera, and there is a chapter on cholera in Puglia, where at one time it was known as lo zingaro -'the gypsy' because Italians believed diseases were imported from outside their towns by wandering Gypsies -with all the ramifications for discrimination and violence that entails.

The argument that 'most Jews' of the modern world are descended from the Khazar who were converted to Judaism was discussed in Arthur Koestler's The Thirteenth Tribe. The argument is frankly irrelevent to the Jewish experience in the modern world. The cardinal point is that anyone can be a Jew, by conversion, many have become so; others have become Jews through marriage, while Jews have, like many other people, migrated across the globe so that there are Latin Jews in South America, Chinese Jews in China, and Black Jews in Africa. Many Jews remained in the 'Holy Land' after Jerusalem ws destroyed by the Romans, many migrated to other parts of the Middle East and still live there today (for example, in Iran). Those who isolate Jews as if there was some inherent flaw in the narrative of their origins and development usually have a motive for highlighting it to prevent Jews from, say, occupying Palestinian territory. The same argument that says Black people do not 'belong' here, wherever here is; the same argument that says 'Muslims' do not belong in Britain.

The Jewish claim on Palestinian territory is political, not religious; the discrimination against Black people in the USA was, and has been political, not racial; the discirmination against the Roma in Italy is political, not racial; the discrimination against the Muslims in Bosnia by 'Orthodox' Serbs was political, not racial.

Let us put this tired, meaningless concept to bed and let it sleep forever, with the fishes.

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You are a lunatic!!! I did not blame immigrants for the destruction of African descent communities. That's another tactic that is used on a person like me that was used on Malcolm X, Martin L. King, Medgar Edvers, Marcus Garvey and the likes, CALLING US INSANE, PARANOID etc. I said the destruction of African descent communities came when Martin L. King signed that civil rights agreement with Linden B. Johnson and we lost African descent own businesses, family strength deteriorated etc. If you're going to quote me quote me right!!!

I said my community lack our own businesses and the dollar is passed through only once while other communities their dollar goes through it at least 4 times. In the African american community when we get money it leaves right out of our hands and back into someone else hands. I also said you won't see African descent employees in Chinese or Korean restaurants yet they are over flowed in our community taking our money, why can't we have our own stores in our own community everyone else is doing it? and I broke it down there is racism being practice here on conjunction of it. That's what I said, you want to GENERALIZED it and say I said ALL IMMIGRANTS when I told you before I am not talking about all immigrants and I was giving you an example of the Chinese shops in my hood oppose to other hoods. Now he doesn't have to go back and read but if he was to he would see that you're a dam liar!!! and I even said Arabs hire African descent people, Italians, Hispanics etc, so how the fuck can you sit here and say IMMIGRANTS as a general?

You are so crazy you go and throw up a pic of Trayvon putting up a middle finger, so are you saying just because he did that he should be dead ? how many times have you thrown up your middle finger at some one? Go on face book or twitter and you will see thousands of teens doing it from Asian to Caucasian to African descent people, do they deserve to die? Get the hell outta here.

You are fucking insane!!!

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If you have the stomach (and/or time) to go back and read his posts you will find that he blames immigrants for the deterioration of black communites (I thought legal immigration was supposed to be a good thing). He also takes a cheap shot at Asian food as being nasty and unhealthy (this came out of left field BTW). He also insists that he can't be a racist because he's black (and he loves to argue semantics so watch out).

James is a poster child for black paranoia and insecurity. A veritable poster child. No mention of accoutability. No mention of personal responsibility. Just a laundry list of accusations against the establishment, immigrants, white people, the government, the courts....Most people in the black community probably feel this way so what can you do? Nothing. Nothing is going to change - he won't chagne my mind and I won't change his.

You can sum up my fellings thusly:

I find it loathsome and hypocritical that people in the black community insisnt on convicting Zimmerman of a hate crime when they refuse to hold themselves accountable to the same standards. The two USC grad students (and the white man in Sanford, FL who was beat almost to death with a hammer by two black youths a week after the Zimmerman case came to light) are examples. It is complete and utter hypocrisy.


http://www.dividedstates.com/wp-cont...rd-300x225.jpg

I believe (honestly) that many black people are fueled by anger and hatred (yes hatred) towards other races and this is why they are violent towards them. The mere fact that a black person hasn't been convicted of a hate crime (to my knowledge) is just proof of what a completey absurd law it is. It is nothing more than a political weapon put in place by liberal dick-suckers to chip away at the establishemnt. The law has nothing at all to do with justice, for if it did black people would ROUTINELY be convicted of hate crimes.

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Hummmm let me take a guess who takes the top spot in America, that would be Caucasians right? LOL

The whole Khazar convo, can be proven and also Hebrew Israelite Jew thingy also. I could really go into how the so called Jews run the media and of course they are going to go against the where they really come from, but that will be over soon because Khazar is being dug up, and the original Jews are from Africa, the Beni Israel and Falasha Jews, and Jew is a new term the original term is Hebrew Israelite. See when they start changing names people are confused on what's real. Not me and other scholars and academics on a scholastic level. To be a Hebrew is a bloodline is not a religion. You can't convert to a bloodline, you can't have A group people and then B Group people try to say they are from the A Group people's bloodline. They are converted not the original Jews, and again the Letter J don't even exist in the Hebrew alphabet. But I would love to debate people in public about this, but I won't go on I think I typed enough, but nope I will not agree because of the absolute factual documents, pictures, and books and direct sources I have in my possession on the matter. Funny thing is how did the Caucasian Ashkenazi Converted Jew get control of Israel? They were never there, they were located in Spain and was kicked out, Germany and Poland. Proof is look at the last names of some of these people, example Ethal Rosenberg? People think that's a Jewish name, or Stein etc, those are not Jewish names their origin are from Germany or Poland this is fact!!! A real Hebrew Israelite Jew name would be like Yeshu'a, or Y'sreal, it's not Israel, or Abesaloma etc. smh

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Race is a concept that was developed in order to categorise people in order to rank them in terms of quality, so there are no prizes for guessing who gets top spot and what the people at the other end of the scale look like. Ivan Hannaford has looked at the rich history of this concept, from a time when it did not exist, from a time when it meant something different from what it is today, and in all cases, something made up by humans with the assumption of 'scientific' rigour.

Race as 'science' was discredited as a consequence of its application in the Third Reich and for the obvious reasons. Race continues to be applied with dismal results, as anyone familiar with the claims of the controversial psychiatrist, HK Eysenck will know, where intelligence is claimed to be determined by race, which enables certain people to be ranked as Highly Intelligent, and others as being not very intelligent, and I don't need to say more about it.

Racism has become a convenient tag for people too lazy to think through the concept and realise that any so-called 'system' that classifies human beings according to the shape of their eyes, the width of their lips, the colour of their skin, the fruit of their brains, or whatever else is claimed, is an invitation to discrimination, which is the key agency at work and the most insidious if fatally human reaction that societies have to people they class as 'outsiders'.

Read Frank Snowden's wonderful history Naples in the Time of Cholera, and there is a chapter on cholera in Puglia, where at one time it was known as lo zingaro -'the gypsy' because Italians believed diseases were imported from outside their towns by wandering Gypsies -with all the ramifications for discrimination and violence that entails.

The argument that 'most Jews' of the modern world are descended from the Khazar who were converted to Judaism was discussed in Arthur Koestler's The Thirteenth Tribe. The argument is frankly irrelevent to the Jewish experience in the modern world. The cardinal point is that anyone can be a Jew, by conversion, many have become so; others have become Jews through marriage, while Jews have, like many other people, migrated across the globe so that there are Latin Jews in South America, Chinese Jews in China, and Black Jews in Africa. Many Jews remained in the 'Holy Land' after Jerusalem ws destroyed by the Romans, many migrated to other parts of the Middle East and still live there today (for example, in Iran). Those who isolate Jews as if there was some inherent flaw in the narrative of their origins and development usually have a motive for highlighting it to prevent Jews from, say, occupying Palestinian territory. The same argument that says Black people do not 'belong' here, wherever here is; the same argument that says 'Muslims' do not belong in Britain.

The Jewish claim on Palestinian territory is political, not religious; the discrimination against Black people in the USA was, and has been political, not racial; the discirmination against the Roma in Italy is political, not racial; the discrimination against the Muslims in Bosnia by 'Orthodox' Serbs was political, not racial.

Let us put this tired, meaningless concept to bed and let it sleep forever, with the fishes.

Race: The History of an Idea in the West Woodrow Wilson Centre Press: Amazon.co.uk: Ivan Hannaford: Books

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"I could really go into how the so called Jews run the media..."

Ho hum.... i get the picture james.

That Jewish guy Rupert Murdoch for instance.... or the people that own Gannett? or the Hearst Corporation?

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"I could really go into how the so called Jews run the media..."

Ho hum.... i get the picture james.

That Jewish guy Rupert Murdoch for instance.... or the people that own Gannett? or the Hearst Corporation?

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You mean the so called Jewish guy Rupert Murdoch? If you get the picture no need to ask me a question now is it? hmmmm

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The whole Khazar convo, can be proven and also Hebrew Israelite Jew thingy also. I could really go into how the so called Jews run the media and of course they are going to go against the where they really come from, but that will be over soon because Khazar is being dug up, and the original Jews are from Africa, the Beni Israel and Falasha Jews, and Jew is a new term the original term is Hebrew Israelite. See when they start changing names people are confused on what's real. Not me and other scholars and academics on a scholastic level. To be a Hebrew is a bloodline is not a religion. You can't convert to a bloodline, you can't have A group people and then B Group people try to say they are from the A Group people's bloodline. They are converted not the original Jews, and again the Letter J don't even exist in the Hebrew alphabet. But I would love to debate people in public about this, but I won't go on I think I typed enough, but nope I will not agree because of the absolute factual documents, pictures, and books and direct sources I have in my possession on the matter. Funny thing is how did the Caucasian Ashkenazi Converted Jew get control of Israel? They were never there, they were located in Spain and was kicked out, Germany and Poland. Proof is look at the last names of some of these people, example Ethal Rosenberg? People think that's a Jewish name, or Stein etc, those are not Jewish names their origin are from Germany or Poland this is fact!!! A real Hebrew Israelite Jew name would be like Yeshu'a, or Y'sreal, it's not Israel, or Abesaloma etc. smh

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What hysterical nonsense is this? Do some research by all means and tell me -what was Jewish about Walt Disney? -nothing. Rupert Murdoch? No. Who runs the media in China and India, the Jews? No again. Who ran the media in the USSR, the Jews? No. Who owns the Guardian newspaper group in the UK, the Jews? No. The Daily Telegraph? The Jews? No. The BBC -run by Jews? No. I could go on and on, but what's the point? But I will concede on the Jewish Chronicle.

Names change, its not such a big deal -how many Americans arrived in Ellis Island called Szcyzikolowo and became Smith or Schick? Or arrived as Vito Andolini and became Vito Corleone? Japan as we know it is Nippon to them; Finland is Suomi and so on. And, research is also about analysis, looking things up and then weighing their value, one idea against another, one set of evidence against another-you can find all sorts of tripe in print and on the web that makes bold claims -that God created the Black tribe of the Shabazz 60,000 years ago, and so on. Ultimately its the quality of your judgement that matters, and on this issue, I cannot agree with your conclusions, so far.

Oh I see. You think Murdoch is jewish. What about Walt Disney?

I suggest you'd enjoy a book that spills the beans on the jewish conspiracy that plans to take over the world. The Protocols Of The Elders of Zion. That'd be right up your street. You know of course that Jews murder Christian children to mix their blood in the Matzoh for passover, don't you.

LOL dude wtf are you talking about? I didn't say anything bout china being ran by jews or india LOL how the hell we get from the media in the USA to all these other places? NBC, ABC etc are ran by so called Jews, stay with me dude, stay in AMERICA!!!

Oh name changes is no big deal huh? You have heard of Kunta Kinte right? The name changing process was one of the racist imperial acts done on my people by Caucasian slave owners, it was one of the vices to strip the identity from African people. But let you tell it name changing is not a big deal.

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What hysterical nonsense is this? Do some research by all means and tell me -what was Jewish about Walt Disney? -nothing. Rupert Murdoch? No. Who runs the media in China and India, the Jews? No again. Who ran the media in the USSR, the Jews? No. Who owns the Guardian newspaper group in the UK, the Jews? No. The Daily Telegraph? The Jews? No. The BBC -run by Jews? No. I could go on and on, but what's the point? But I will concede on the Jewish Chronicle.

Names change, its not such a big deal -how many Americans arrived in Ellis Island called Szcyzikolowo and became Smith or Schick? Or arrived as Vito Andolini and became Vito Corleone? Japan as we know it is Nippon to them; Finland is Suomi and so on. And, research is also about analysis, looking things up and then weighing their value, one idea against another, one set of evidence against another-you can find all sorts of tripe in print and on the web that makes bold claims -that God created the Black tribe of the Shabazz 60,000 years ago, and so on. Ultimately its the quality of your judgement that matters, and on this issue, I cannot agree with your conclusions, so far.

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Let me ask you WHO BROUGHT UP THE NAME RUPERT MORDOCH? Was it me? Who called Rupert Murdoch a Jew? It wasn't me, it was YOU!!! I never brought his name up!!! But being you did.........

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Oh I see. You think Murdoch is jewish. What about Walt Disney?

I suggest you'd enjoy a book that spills the beans on the jewish conspiracy that plans to take over the world. The Protocols Of The Elders of Zion. That'd be right up your street. You know of course that Jews murder Christian children to mix their blood in the Matzoh for passover, don't you.

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RUPERT MURDOCH: SO YOU TELL US WHO RUPERT MURDOCH IS PROS!!!

Murdoch's Deeply Hidden Jewish Roots -- A Biography

By Christopher Bollyn – American Free Press

Christopher Bollyn is an investigative journalist who has written extensively on the events of September 11, 2001 in the Washington-based American Free Press. He has researched different aspects of the 9/11 attacks and uncovered facts and evidence that challenge the official version of events. tried to smear Bollyn as an “anti-Semite” in order to discredit him and diminish the significance of his work. At the helm of both organizations, the ADL and Fox News, is an Australian-born Zionist named Keith Rupert Murdoch.

Murdoch's Jewish Roots

Murdoch “became an American citizen for business reasons,” according to Richard H. Curtiss, editor of the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs. Keith Rupert was born in Melbourne, Australia, on March 11, 1931. “Rupert’s father, Sir Keith Murdoch, was a newspaper publisher, and his mother an Orthodox Jew,” Curtiss wrote, “although Murdoch never offers that information in his biographies.”

Murdoch’s father married Elisabeth Joy Greene, daughter of Rupert Greene in 1928. They had one son, Keith Rupert and three daughters. Later in life, Keith Rupert chose to use Rupert, the first name of his Jewish maternal grandfather.

The young Keith Rupert was educated at Australia’s fashionable Geelong private school, and went on to the elitist and aristocratic Oxford University in England, according to Candour (UK) magazine.

“Rupert’s father Sir Keith Murdoch attained his prominent position in Australian society through a fortuitous marriage to the daughter of a wealthy Jewish family, née Elisabeth Joy Greene. Through his wife’s connections, Keith Murdoch was subsequently promoted from reporter to chairman of the British-owned newspaper where he worked. There was enough money to buy himself a knighthood of the British realm, two newspapers in Adelaide, South Australia, and a radio station in a faraway mining town,” Candour wrote in 1984. “For some reason, Murdoch has always tried to hide the fact that his pious mother brought him up as a Jew.”

While Murdoch may have “tried to hide” his Jewish roots, he has been quite forthright about his support for extreme right-wing Zionists, such as Benjamin Netanyahu and Ariel Sharon.

Netanyahu, who wrote a book entitled The War on Terror: How the West Can Win in 1986, is a frequent commentator on Murdoch’s Fox News.

Murdoch’s support for Zionism extremists is well known and a matter of record. As New York Governor George Pataki said, “There is no newspaper in the U.S. more supportive of Israel than the [Murdoch’s] New York Post.”

It is through a network of Zionist organizations, in which Murdoch plays a central role, that Murdoch is connected to the individuals who arranged the privatization – and obtained control of the World Trade Center – shortly before its destruction.

These key individuals are: Larry Silverstein and the former Israeli commando Frank Lowy, the lease holders of dubious repute who gained control of the WTC property six weeks before 9/11, and Port Authority Chairman Lewis M. Eisenberg, who authorized the transfer of the leases.

Murdoch belongs to, and has been honored by, a number of leading Zionist organizations in which Silverstein, Lowy, and Eisenberg all hold senior positions. These organizations include the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), the United Jewish Appeal (UJA), and the New York-based Museum of Jewish Heritage - A Living Memorial to the Holocaust.

Fifty days before 9/11, Silverstein Properties and Lowy’s Westfield America secured 99-year leases on the WTC. The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey turned control of the World Trade Center over to the private hands of Silverstein and Lowy on July 24, 2001.

Silverstein and Lowy then took control of the 10.6 million-square-foot complex, which included the twin towers office buildings and two nine-story office buildings. Silverstein and the former Israeli commando Lowy then controlled all access to the World Trade Center.

Lowy leased the shopping concourse called the Mall at the World Trade Center, which comprised about 427,000 square feet of retail space.

“Six weeks before the WTC towers were destroyed, the Port Authority completed the process of leasing them for 99 years to Larry Silverstein, the developer who had built 7 World Trade Center [which mysteriously self-demolished at 5:25 p.m. on 9/11].

“Simultaneously, the retail space underneath the complex was leased to Westfield America, the US division of an Australian company that is one of the world’s largest operators of shopping malls.” Paul Goldberger wrote in New Yorker, May 20, 2002.

“Silverstein and Westfield were given the right to rebuild the structures if they were destroyed, and Westfield has the right to expand the retail space by 30 percent,” Goldberger wrote.

Silverstein is suing for some $7.2 billion in insurance money for the loss of the destroyed World Trade Center – and his expected earnings – for property he had leased with a down payment of $100 million – of borrowed funds.


Murdoch the Zionist

“Murdoch is a close friend of Ariel Sharon,” Sam Kiley, The Times (UK) veteran journalist on the Middle East wrote about the man who took over the once famous British paper. Kiley said Murdoch’s friendship with the Israeli prime minister had caused senior staff at the paper to rewrite important copy.

“Murdoch’s executives were so afraid of irritating him that, when I pulled off a little scoop of tracking down and photographing the unit in the Israeli army which killed Mohammed al-Durrah, the 12-year-old boy whose death was captured on film and became the iconic image of the conflict, I was asked to file the piece ‘without mentioning the dead kid.’” Kiley wrote. “After that conversation, I was left wordless, so I quit.”

Sharon and Murdoch are old friends. On Oct. 15, 1982, a month after the massacres of thousands of Palestinian refugees in the Sabra and Shatila camps of Beirut, war crimes which occurred under Sharon’s direct command, the Israeli defense minister held meetings with Rupert Murdoch and others, reportedly in order to advance his “West Bank real estate grab.”

The visit with Sharon included a trip for Murdoch and his editors from New York and London that “took them on a bird’s-eye tour of Israel aboard a helicopter gunship, flying over the Golan Heights, West Bank and settlements.”

“I have always believed in the future of Israel and the goals of the international Jewish community,” Murdoch said at a spring fund-raiser for the Museum of Jewish Heritage - A Living Memorial to the Holocaust on April 29, 2001.

From the beginning, News Corp., his global media company, “has been supportive of the Jewish national cause,” Murdoch said.

Larry Silverstein, who had not yet acquired the lease on the World Trade Center, attended the fund-raiser with Murdoch and reportedly said about museum chairman Robert Morgenthau’s plans to expand the museum: “I’ll support you…as long as you keep it under 110 stories.”


Murdoch and the ADL

“Henry Kissinger, Rupert Murdoch and Mortimer Zuckerman are on the [ADL] dinner committee,” according to a recent New York Times report on the ADL’s recent fund-raiser in which the controversial Italian prime minister Silvio Berlusconi received the ADL’s Distinguished Statesman Award.

Silverstein and Eisenberg have both held senior leadership positions with the United Jewish Appeal (UJA), a billion dollar Zionist “charity” organization, to which Murdoch and Lowy generously contribute. In 1997, Henry Kissinger presented Murdoch with the UJA’s award for “Humanitarian of the Year.”

Silverstein is a former chairman of UJA. This organization raises hundreds of millions of dollars every year for a network of Zionist agencies in the United States and Israel. Eisenberg, who was instrumental in obtaining the lease for Silverstein, is on the Planning Board of UJA.

Eisenberg in his role with the Port Authority was the key person who negotiated the 99-year leases for Silverstein and Frank Lowy’s Westfield America, who were in fact the low-bidders for the lease on the 110-story towers and the retail mall.

Murdoch and the Czechoslovakian-born Israeli commando Frank Lowy, a former fighter in Israel’s Golani Brigade, who emigrated to Australia in the 1950s, have had a long friendship, which Murdoch recounted during an American Australian Association fund-raising dinner in honor of Frank’s son, Peter S. Lowy, in New York on November 20, 2002. Larry Silverstein and his wife also attended the American Australian event.

Some reporters refer to the American Australian Association, whose membership includes James Wolfensohn, the president of the World Bank, who raised cash for Rupert Murdoch when he first expanded into the United States, as “the kangaroo mafia.”

“Frank was a brave and determined fighter,” Rafi Kocer, Lowy’s former commander, said. Lowy has donated some $350,000 to build a memorial museum in Israel for his former brigade.

Today, Lowy and his three sons control Westfield Corporation, one of the largest operators of shopping centers in the United States – and the world.

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Let me ask you WHO BROUGHT UP THE NAME RUPERT MORDOCH? Was it me? Who called Rupert Murdoch a Jew? It wasn't me, it was YOU!!! I never brought his name up!!! But being you did.........

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Well the only thing I've gathered from your posts is you think black people should be allowed to be racist but call it "hate", but if any other race acts that way it's racist? Why don't we start with stopping hating of other races altogether. It sounds like you just want an excuse to be racist which is bullshit.

James if you want to believe insane books by lunatics that is your prerogative. if you want to see the US as run by a Jewish conspiracy that is also your right. You're also a fool.

James, the apparent lie starts with taking at face value that Murdoch's mother was an orthodox jew. There is no official record that supports this....AT ALL.

This jewish conspiracy stuff is very insidious propaganda that you really have to make an effort to filter because oftentimes it's presented in a very benign and matter-of-fact way.

Every time I hear about a 'jewish conspiracy', I have to research the truth on my own because for the most part, we're being fed lies.

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Well the only thing I've gathered from your posts is you think black people should be allowed to be racist but call it "hate", but if any other race acts that way it's racist? Why don't we start with stopping hating of other races altogether. It sounds like you just want an excuse to be racist which is bullshit.

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No, I explained myself quite clear. I said and will say it again, African descent people, I never said BLACK PEOPLE<< how many times do I have to say I don't use that term and how many times do I have to explain it's meaning is not for my people?
I said specifically that African descent people can not be racism by the original term of the definition not this johnny come late modern term equal to just hating a nation. I also said I can hate a race or group of people and I can prejudge a group or nation of people but I can not be racist.

Now let me explain again,in order to be racist you have to have a system set up to deprive that group or nation of people different from your own and the one who feels superior will say the other group or nation or race is inferior. If I say I hate all Hispanics that is just hate, I NEVER SAID I FEEL SUPERIOR OR I AM NOT DEPRIVING THEM UNDER A SYSTEM OF POLITICAL, ECONOMICAL, SOCIAL AND EDUCATION!!!

If a Hispanic said "I hate African americans" that is not racism, that Hispanic just hate African americans, as so as that Hispanic says "HISPANICS ARE BETTER THAN AFRICAN AMERICANS/DESCENT PEOPLE, and have a system made up to deprive African americans then it becomes racism.

That's what I said. So now you don't have to say I just mean this for my people.

Fair enough Giovanni, now let me ask you this, how do you go about finding this TRUTH? Please let me know.

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James, the apparent lie starts with taking at face value that Murdoch's mother was an orthodox jew. There is no official record that supports this....AT ALL.

This jewish conspiracy stuff is very insidious propaganda that you really have to make an effort to filter because oftentimes it's presented in a very benign and matter-of-fact way.

Every time I hear about a 'jewish conspiracy', I have to research the truth on my own because for the most part, we're being fed lies.

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James if you want to believe insane books by lunatics that is your prerogative. if you want to see the US as run by a Jewish conspiracy that is also your right. You're also a fool.

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Ok, I'll be the fool.

I wonder if people really have studied? When some don't really know what they are talking about or in denial it becomes conspiracy. I respect what giovanni is saying because he presents what he is saying, but do I agree with him ? It depends if we know the same facts or not. some of you others I just say wow. Just telling me if I believe in conspiracy of Jewish theories is not proof, you just saying some thing anyone can do that.

Just one of Many of the top Dr.'s John Henrik Clarke, if you think different of what he says SHOW YOUR PROOF!!!

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbMvSdGloW0

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?...hannel&list=UL

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?...hannel&list=UL

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?...hannel&list=UL

Dr. Ben Jochannan vs Rabbi Auther Seltzer

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?...eature=related

Dude called me a fool, but I say YES I AM A FOOL, so it should be no problem with you providing evidence of what I am saying to crush me as a fool. Saying it's conspiracy proves nothing, so provide me as a fool with evidence, the Caucasian Khazar Ashkenazi converted so called Jews are Actually Hebrew Israelites!!! They were never Jews, again where are some of you getting your info? From Caucasian people? From academic scholastic teachings?

You have the Torah which is the faith of the Hebrew Israelites, the original Israelites were and still is dark!!! They were never called Jews, this is the reason of changing names, the letter "J" didn't come into existence of the English language until 1565.

Wikipedia states:
he Jews (Hebrew: יְהוּדִים‎‎ ISO 259-3 Yhudim Israeli pronunciation [jehuˈdim]), also known as the Jewish people, are a nation and an ethnoreligious group, originating in the Israelites or Hebrews of the Ancient Near East. The Jewish ethnicity, nationality, and religion are strongly interrelated, as Judaism is the traditional faith of the Jewish nation.[2][3][4] Converts to Judaism, whose status(there's that dam word again) as Jews within the Jewish ethnos is equal to those born into it, have been absorbed into the Jewish people throughout the millennia.

ORIGIN OF JEWS
According to their tradition, the Jewish people originated from the Israelites of the Southern Levant, who had several independent states before being overtaken first by the Assyrian and Babylonian Empires and later the Roman Empire.....

WHERE AND WHAT'S THE LEVANT?
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If you want to call me a fool and conspiracy artist, who can refute then Dr. John Henrike Clarke, or Dr. Ben ? Like I said I will act like the fool but if you have no dam evidence to back up your claim then this fool has won!!! that's not a good look.

What's really funny to me is that there some posters on here who actually think that James is enlightened (which make laugh because i can see Giovanni quitely slipping out the back door).

Don't worry James. Take your meds. The mother ship will arrive shortly to collect you....

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What's really funny to me is that there some posters on here who actually think that James is enlightened (which make laugh because i can see Giovanni quitely slipping out the back door).

Don't worry James. Take your meds. The mother ship will arrive shortly to collect you....

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Hold up, wait a minute, so if someone thinks I am capable to talk about the subject in hand you disrespect them too?


IN your comedic attempt to use the biggest picture you could find and waste page space with not a single drop of evidence to refute anything I said and the videos, looks like the shit got quiet after that. Refute Dr. Henrike, refute Dr. Ben if you dare.

Now why is it that you must diss Giovanna by saying he's slipping out the back door? See the things I say I can back them up, only thing you have done is said the funny thing is and put up a picture. Prove what I said is wrong IF YOU CAN!!! Just because Giovanna may disagree with me I can't say he's not intelligent because I have seen him talk and he makes a lot of sense. But when he says something that I don't agree with I can't turn around and say he's a nut case, no, he's still intelligent it's just we disagree on some thing.
Now if he says some thing and I come back with an answer and he doesn't come back does that make him less man? No!!!
So stop trying to start bullshit, we are having a great convo here, things like this need to be talked about and addressed because far to long have we been taught false history and it's time to wake up and show what's false
Now you can joke about me not taking my meds but I tell you this as I was called eariler A FOOL, I am better a fool on my worse than you are on your so called sane day.

If you're going to call me a name at least have some historical fact and then call me a name. You look foolish and stupid without any of that.

Funny thing is when the racial shit started happening people started talking about Zimmerman is not white he's Hispanic, when I saw that I was baffled, like hell yall talking about. He's not all Hispanic he's a dam mixed person, Caucasian and Hispanic. In reality you can't call him all Hispanic or All Caucasian. His mother is AFro Peruvian and his father is Caucasian, do some research on the matter. Someone had the never to say Zimmerman is a Jewish name. LOL like wtf Zimmerman is not a Jewish name because I have studied that langauge and Hebrew and Aramaic is the languages and there would be no type of name like Zimmerman in that language, Zimmerman would have it's roots from German or Polish comings. So here it is as I have claimed go back and read my post the word has NOTHING TO DO WITH HEBREW/JEWISH NAMES!!!! Now see if I am on my meds with that. And we know dam well the Germans aren't Jews!!!


Zimmerman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
ZIMMERMAN
Zimmerman derives from the German last name Zimmermann which means carpenter. Within the United States, it is ranked as the 441st-most common surname.[1]
Zimmerman is often confused with Zimmermann. The loss or addition of the double "n" may imply many things. This may include racial, ethnic, religious or other cultural variations.[2]Above all, the final "n" was seen as redundant in new countries of immigration where English was spoken. As a part of routine, German names were often Anglicized or simplified by immigration officials upon entry into the United States

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IN your comedic attempt to use the biggest picture you could find and waste page space with not a single drop of evidence to refute anything I said and the videos, looks like the shit got quiet after that. Refute Dr. Henrike, refute Dr. Ben if you dare.

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I didn't read a single word of it, lol. The last post I read from you (besides this one) was about 10 pages ago.... You're clearly a nutter....

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Now why is it that you must diss Giovanna by saying he's slipping out the back door?

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Because even he knows that you're a nutter. He's just being polite.

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So stop trying to start bullshit, we are having a great convo here, things like this need to be talked about and addressed because far to long have we been taught false history and it's time to wake up and show what's false

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We're not having great conversation at all. It's largely (you) rambling on incessantly due to the fact that you are unable to concentrate your thoughts into a few cohesive paragraphs. Contrary to what you might think, nobody is reading any of your shit so you can probably dial it back a few hundred words per post.

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....Someone had the never to say Zimmerman is a Jewish name. LOL like wtf Zimmerman is not a Jewish name because I have studied that langauge and Hebrew and Aramaic is the languages and there would be no type of name like Zimmerman in that language, Zimmerman would have it's roots from German or Polish comings. So here it is as I have claimed go back and read my post the word has NOTHING TO DO WITH HEBREW/JEWISH NAMES!!!! Now see if I am on my meds with that. And we know dam well the Germans aren't Jews!!!

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Oh this is getting rich.... :dancing: James, are you considered the 'wise one' amongst your peeps?

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We're not having great conversation at all. It's largely (you) rambling on incessantly due to the fact that you are unable to concentrate your thoughts into a few cohesive paragraphs.

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Dude called me a fool, but I say YES I AM A FOOL, so it should be no problem with you providing evidence of what I am saying to crush me as a fool. Saying it's conspiracy proves nothing, so provide me as a fool with evidence, the Caucasian Khazar Ashkenazi converted so called Jews are Actually Hebrew Israelites!!! They were never Jews, again where are some of you getting your info? From Caucasian people? From academic scholastic teachings?

You have the Torah which is the faith of the Hebrew Israelites, the original Israelites were and still is dark!!! They were never called Jews, this is the reason of changing names, the letter "J" didn't come into existence of the English language until 1565.

Wikipedia states:
he Jews (Hebrew: יְהוּדִים‎‎ ISO 259-3 Yhudim Israeli pronunciation [jehuˈdim]), also known as the Jewish people, are a nation and an ethnoreligious group, originating in the Israelites or Hebrews of the Ancient Near East. The Jewish ethnicity, nationality, and religion are strongly interrelated, as Judaism is the traditional faith of the Jewish nation.[2][3][4] Converts to Judaism, whose status(there's that dam word again) as Jews within the Jewish ethnos is equal to those born into it, have been absorbed into the Jewish people throughout the millennia.

ORIGIN OF JEWS
According to their tradition, the Jewish people originated from the Israelites of the Southern Levant, who had several independent states before being overtaken first by the Assyrian and Babylonian Empires and later the Roman Empire.....

WHERE AND WHAT'S THE LEVANT?
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Native Africans and the Spanish brought slavery to the American continent. We inherited this system, and later abolished it. Learn your history.