Maybe not... and honestly, I hope we never find out. I love peace, and I'd like to see it worldwide... but that will never be a reality, but the IDEA of the people having the right and means for defense is what its about.
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Maybe not... and honestly, I hope we never find out. I love peace, and I'd like to see it worldwide... but that will never be a reality, but the IDEA of the people having the right and means for defense is what its about.
And that's pretty much what the crown said back in the day, btw...
And he sure as hell did not envision 15 year old kids ending an argument with Saturday Night Specials, or kid with anxiety issues breaking into his mothers gun case, strapping on more firepower than Washington had at Yorktown and blowing the living shit out of the mother, jumping into a horseless carriage at speeds faster than any recorded at that time and gun down a bunch of babies in less time than it took to load, fire and reload a musket?Quote:
Originally Posted by sweetts18
Over the years there have been further definition and condition for freedom of speech and freedom of the press. The rights of white landholders expanded to included women and creeds and races not considered in the Bill of Rights.
The Bill of Rights is not the Ten Commandments delivered to us by G-d him/herself. It was a mostly brilliant piece of work but the philosphical waxing of the second amendment which took place in the 18th century pure and simple needs to have better definition of what rights citizens actual have regarding firearms and just as importantly what obligation they have when they possess them.
To me the argument to the contrary is made by well meaning folks who wish to take the American heritage respectfully and find comfort in literal interpretation,
But then you also have an industry and the interest groups it bankrolls that wrap themselves in the flag so nobody will notice their only interest is unfettered markets, the profits the create and to hell with the carnage.
If America took up arms against 1% elite in full force I think some of the dudes bankrolling this insanity would look at 30 clip mags differently after the first clip ripped through their family and the gun man was making that seamless switch to the next magazine of mass destruction.
If the Bill of Rights is so pure, how come Joseph McCarthy ever existed and it would be impossible to have an organized communist party in the US? How could we perform ethnic cleansing on the entire native races of peoples?
But the idea is antiquated, unless you want to extend the Second Amendment to cover grenades, grenade launchers, missiles, tanks, drones etc. etc. To implement the IDEA that the people have the means to defend against the U.S. government, shouldn't the people have the right to same sorts of arsenals the military has? Are you really a supporter of that IDEA? If so, I would further asked, just what in your mind would justify an armed insurrection against the United States Government? A 37% tax rate? The patriot act or an extension thereof? If you're arguing for the right to preparations sufficient to mount an armed insurrection against the government, shouldn't those of us yet to be persuaded be informed just what would be a sufficient trigger for such an insurrection?Quote:
...but the IDEA of the people having the right and means for defense is what its about. http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/ima...ons/report.gif
What we're talking about here is the constitutionality of private firearms ownership, and none among you can claim in your dissent that it ISN'T a constitutionally protected right. ...I will agree that the tragedies that have occurred right here on our soil are outrageous and saddening to me, but each and every one of these was the result of somebody locating an easy target that wasn't armed. ...The shooter in Colorado purposely chose that theater, for instance, because it was the only gun free theater close by.... and obviously at Sandy Hook, most of the victims were children... in a "gun free" zone.
Little off topic but ever since I joined this forum I've become more conscious of how I use the word "bear".Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
Trish, do not misunderstand me...I am neither anarchist nor am I plotting an insurrection in any way. I am simply a peaceful U.S. citizen and a constitutionalist. All I am saying (without any factual rebuttal, I may add) is that the purpose of the second amendment is to allow citizens to lawfully possess firearms... and yes, as written and interpreted through historic documentation, they are intended for defense against tyranny.
Forget constitutionality for the moment. Does the intention to defend against the possible future tyranny of the United States against its own citizens continue to be a justification for the Second Amendment (if so, we need the rights to a full military arsenal), or should we seek justification for the amendment elsewhere?
And you believe as a matter of faith that less mayhem would have ensued had the dark theater been filled with armed Batman fans?Quote:
The shooter in Colorado purposely chose that theater, for instance, because it was the only gun free theater close by
And you believe as a matter of faith that if teachers kept loaded weapons in their desk drawers, children would be safer?Quote:
and obviously at Sandy Hook, most of the victims were children... in a "gun free" zone.
These are not opinions about the constitutionality of the Second Amendment, but rather claims of faith concerning the how best to secure public safety.
Do you call the police when you have a problem? ...could it have ANYTHING to do with them being armed and trained?
I don't called them because they're armed, but because they're trained. My next door neighbor is armed. I'm not going to call him.