US Elections 2020

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Originally Posted by MrFanti

More DANGEROUS than Law Enforcement - Black On Black crimes and homicide...(Yes this is a truth NOT reported by the mainstream Democratic dominated media)
And what some within the Black Community believe SHOULD BE INCLUDED within the "BLM" movement....(I.E, we have to clean the crap out of our own house first...)

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So what do you propose should be done? And why do you present this as an either/or choice, as if nothing can or should be done about police violence until other issues affecting blacks are addressed? That sounds like the same basic logical error as your infamous alcohol vs gun deaths argument.

As Stavros noted, your posts always seem very short on solutions - and very long on diverting attention from issues you don't like because they are championed by "the left".

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Originally Posted by filghy2

That sounds like the same basic logical error as your infamous alcohol vs gun deaths argument.

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I was going to say "logically equivalent" but there is one difference. When people use "Black on Black" crime as a way to divert from other issues it's more than a diversion. They're often saying the Black community doesn't deserve protections from civil rights violations because there is some level of guilt borne by the community as a whole.

So the logic is often, "how can THEY complain about y when THEY are also doing x." But who is they? The logic breaks down as soon as you ask this question. Individuals who commit crimes aren't a justification for police brutality against individuals who haven't committed crimes....or even police brutality against those who've committed crimes. Police brutality is always wrong!

Note: I quit debating with filghy2 because that individual doesn't want to see the truth either, and instead resorts to "logical error".....
No need for me to waste my time anymore....

And for clarification in case filghy2 missed it, I am an American Black male...

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Originally Posted by broncofan

When people use "Black on Black" crime as a way to divert from other issues it's more than a diversion. They're often saying the Black community doesn't deserve protections from civil rights violations because there is some level of guilt borne by the community as a whole.

So the logic is often, "how can THEY complain about y when THEY are also doing x." But who is they? The logic breaks down as soon as you ask this question. Individuals who commit crimes aren't a justification for police brutality against individuals who haven't committed crimes....or even police brutality against those who've committed crimes. Police brutality is always wrong!

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Who are these "people" that you're referring to?
I've already shown that within my Black American community, we are divided on "BLM".....And we're no in unison as the mainstream Democratic media portrays us to be....

That being said, I believe I understand your response here...

I'm going to make the assumption that "filghy2" is not a Black American, otherwise he/she would have some clue about what I've been talking about within this thread....

Here's another interesting perspective from within my divided Black American community....

A group called 'Black Guns Matter' is teaching Black Americans how to use firearms
https://www.yahoo.com/news/group-cal...180300856.html

Additional Clarification:

One thing that Black America IS united on is that we are getting tired of White America (regardless of where they stand politically) thinking that they know what's best for us. Black America is finally beginning to think and do for ourselves instead of having White America doing this. And the Democrats are getting a rude awakening to this.... (see below).

BET founder Robert Johnson urges Black Lives Matter to form its own independent political party
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/23/robert-johnson-urges-black-lives-matter-to-form-a-political-party.html

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Originally Posted by MrFanti

Note: I quit debating with filghy2 because that individual doesn't want to see the truth either, and instead resorts to "logical error".....
No need for me to waste my time anymore....

And for clarification in case filghy2 missed it, I am an American Black male...

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Seriously dude, you don't have to keep reminding people that you're black.

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Originally Posted by blackchubby38

Seriously dude, you don't have to keep reminding people that you're black.

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Noted.

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Originally Posted by MrFanti

Note: I quit debating with filghy2 because that individual doesn't want to see the truth either, and instead resorts to "logical error".....
No need for me to waste my time anymore....

And for clarification in case filghy2 missed it, I am an American Black male...

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What are you you suggesting - that because you are an American black male nobody else is entitled to question anything you say on these subjects? I never claim to speak for anyone but myself, and I think that applies equally to you.

You can't quit debating people because you've never really tried it. The problem is not that you have a different opinion. The problem is that you belabour the same points ad nauseum (eg "mainstream Democrat media") and refuse to engage with other peoples' responses. That makes for very tedious discussion.

Incidentally, this thread is about the coming US elections so can we please get back to the topic? If you want to keep posting about BLM-related issues you should really start another thread.

According to exit polls, black votes in the 2016 election were 88% for Clinton, 8% for Trump and 4% for others.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_U...ntial_election

I think that tells you how representative Fanti and the fellow libertarians he cites are.