Obama is smooth...

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Originally Posted by zulusierra

Maybe you've never been blessed to experience the loyalty and affection of a good dog. If not, you are missing out on one of natures finest gifts. A pig won't defend my wife and child to the death, comfort a sick child in a hospital, or be a blind persons eyes.

You are correct about the horrible state of western food production.
Yes, I have been to abattoirs to get bovine eyes for research purposes. I think everyone should see where their food comes from at least once in their lives. It is nasty. It is inhumane. The conditions that the illegal immigrants are forced to work (actually they are treated like slaves) in are appalling and dangerous. I have no problem with eating meat or slaughtering animals, it is the inhumane conditions I have a problem with. There are ways to make it more ethical but that will not happen in my country.

One does not have to eschew meat to have a clear conscience. If you ethically hunt (in my area deer and pig and turkey to name a few) and fish you get the best of all worlds. The animal lives its life naturally, is hormone free and lean, and as long as the hunter does his part is dead before it realizes anything happened. Also, with a minimum amount of land, chicken, bees, and goats become viable options to raise yourself. I am not where I can subsist like this right now but am working on it.

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:iagree: I agree with everything you say in this post and sincerely wish you luck in achieving your goals.

As it happens, I grew up with a succession of German shepherds whose love and devotion was intensely moving and who remain a blessed memory. These days I have cats, but that is a lifestyle choice - dogs and the life of a touring musician just don't mix.

When I have eaten what we would regard in the west as somehow beyond the pale it was on the basis of curiosity and experiment, usually one bite was enough! I guess what I was getting at was the arrant hypocrisy of most westerners for criticising the food choices of other cultures - our regimes for raising food animals are largely tucked away, in the less developed world they tend to be more open and are therefore seen as cruel, whereas what could be more cruel than the methods used in battery farming of poultry?

Add in the fact that the western insistence on a high meat diet contributes both to food poverty elsewhere and damages the planet, and it becomes very easy to destroy any notion of moral superiority.

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Originally Posted by mildcigar_2001

We should Christianize and civilize most of the muslim world.

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Before or after we bomb them? ha
Muslims are MUCH more religious than we are.
Dogs were wolves til we domesticated them.
Obama hasn't had a dog in years, except maybe at Ben's Chili Bowl.
What about sucking SHEMALE cock, cigar, what's your position on that???

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Originally Posted by mildcigar_2001

That is idiotic. Of course some cultures are superior to other cultures. If you don't believe me, follow the below link to see what some of our muslim brothers have been up to recently:

http://www.care2.com/causes/150-afgh...ng-school.html


We should Christianize and civilize most of the muslim world.

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First of all, I condemn these actions just as much as you do, although you should also take into account that they are those of a minute fraction of muslims who generally go about their daily lives peaceably and constructively. I dare say you'll be just as offended when I say that the scandal of kiddyfucking and abuse by "Christian" priests horrifies me, but when you come back with the argument that they are a small, if privileged and powerful, minority, I'll accept it. Or are all muslims somehow inherently evil?

You don't seem to understand the difference between "superior" and "different". I suppose "Christianising and Civilising" would take place at the point of a gun after bombing them to shit in that good ol' boy way.

You're a racist, pure and simple. And as you've had the benefit of a good education that makes you all the worse - you can't hide behind the excuse of ignorance.

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It is a question of morals. If you don't know why...., I can't explain it to you.

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Come on mildcigar, I'm waiting. Why does eating dog make one morally inferior? If you can't explain it, then you don't know it.

Much of what we consider "western civilisation" comes from the Islamic world. Through the long centuries of barbarism in early medieval Europe the great centres of learning were in the Arab world - particularly in Cairo and Baghdad - and it was Arab scholars who helped preserve the works of philosophers such as Aristotle and Plato until Europe sorted itself out after the collapse of the Roman Empire. As for more civilised? That is such a relativistic concept. The long centuries of Christians bringing "civilisation" to the 'coloured peoples" of the world should be remembered with untold thousand being butchered for refusing the message of Christ - and the rule of European colonisers. How civilised was the slave trade? History and cultural and civilisational issues are complex. Nearly everybody condemns the actions of what are a tiny minority of Muslim terrorists. But remember that the worst massacre in Europe since Srebrenica (an act of violence against unarmed Muslim civilians) was the massacre in Norway. That was a white supremacist killing white people - young Norwegians.

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Originally Posted by mildcigar_2001

It is a question of morals. If you don't know why eating a dog is wrong, I can't explain it to you.

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Try. I've ate dog, it was over-rated but I've no issue with people who do. Some people say a horse is their best friend, I've ate horse and if I could get it I'd buy horse meat and cook it in the UK.
I certainly have much higher morals then your racist arse.

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Originally Posted by mildcigar_2001

That is idiotic. Of course some cultures are superior to other cultures.

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Incredible.....and yet you claim not to be a racist! Bet that's another one you "can't explain".

By the way, what should happen to those other cultures? Gas chambers perhaps?

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Originally Posted by mildcigar_2001

We should Christianize and civilize most of the muslim world.

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That's hilarious and terrifying at the same time...

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Originally Posted by seanchai

Try. I've ate dog, it was over-rated but I've no issue with people who do. Some people say a horse is their best friend, I've ate horse and if I could get it I'd buy horse meat and cook it in the UK.
I certainly have much higher morals then your racist arse.

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I am truly puzzled that the term racist is being applied to me and/or my posts. I believe that in the United States one may criticize the President regardless of whether or not he is black. I think I am a fair man and try to treat people on the content of their character rather than their skin color. I attibute Obama's poor performance as President to his lack of having any executive experience prior to becoming President. If you were really a good manager, would you pick Joe Biden as your second in command???

Obama might have my support if he had done something other than explode the national debt by almost 50% in a little over 3 years. In my view Obama's skin color is the least of his problems. It is interesting that those crying racism at any critic of the President are bigots for thinking that the man can't defend his own record.

As for the Muslims, I will agree that a majority are not terrorists, but I hear very little from "moderate Muslims" when one of their brothers blows up a trainful of woman and children. As for the Catholics and the molestation scandals half the Bishops probably should be drawn and quartered for covering it up for so many years. There are plenty of F'd up people who call themselves Christians, but on the whole they are a lot more peacable than the Muslims.

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Originally Posted by mildcigar_2001

I am truly puzzled that the term racist is being applied to me and/or my posts.

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Backpeddle!!
I think I'll vote for Romney. I feel sorry for him.