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Well alrighty Then :pumped::cheers: I heard that. MI seems like a good place to live if you wanna carry, I think North Carolina is the same.
I remember a guy tried to break in to a house right across the road from my families house where I visited, and the owner saw him running and bust a cap in him and he took off running, bloody but he got him. He was never caught and the owner that popped him was telling the story to the sherrifs and they were laughing up a storm, spitting tabacco, and just laughing, dudes were turning red. I couldn't believe it, I was like "DUDES IS LAUGHING WITH THE COPS AND THEY AREN'T ARRESTING HIM?" Boy oh boy lol that was a site to see, and he's African america that shot another African american. They shook hands and that was it. Dude never showed up as far as I knew again to rob homie.
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That is much more of an NYC issue... They have laws against the discharge of a firearm... for any reason.
Out where I live, if the cops were called because I fired into the ground, they would laugh at the caller.
Far as they are concerned, if I didn't shoot at someone, there is no issue at all.
I can't say about Martin/Zimmerman case. I wasn't there and I don't have enough info to even have an opinion.
But I do know this. Up here, in general, if you are a local with a permit, you will NOT be arrested unless you are intoxicated or there is something major out of whack with your account of events.
Why?
Because you are a local and they know exactly where to find you if they need to. Because, if you have passed the requirements for a carry permit here in MI you KNOW your sheriff and he knows you. Because, in most counties, the sheriff signs off on the permits.
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That was a horrible beating and the thing is he was about to give the guy a dollar. They need to be found and charged and make sure it's the right guys. but it's going to be hard because he didn't recognize them they had on hoodies.
The headline said BLACKS, yet he said two were African americans and probably one Hispanic, yet the head line is BLACKS!
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Trayvon Martin Witness Believes 'He Intended for This Kid to Die'
A closer look at the witness statements and audio testimony taken in the immediate aftermath Trayvon Martin's death provides the first insight into George Zimmerman's behavior after he shot the unarmed teen.
A man listed as witness 13 was one of the first people to approach Zimmerman minutes after the shooting. He saw him bleeding from the back of the head and nose. Zimmerman asked the unidentified man to call his wife for him.
"Let her know what's happening, been involved in a shooting and will be held for questioning," the witness told the Florida Department of Law Enforcement. "He was more like, talking like he was having a hard time, looked like he just got his butt whipped ... not like he was in shock, not like, 'I can't believe I just shot someone,' but like, 'Just tell my wife I just shot someone,' like it was nothing."
The woman told police that Zimmerman, 28, examined Martin's body as he slowly paced back and forth when the police arrived. She watched as they checked the teen's body and turned him over, eventually starting CPR. But he was already dead for five or 10 minutes, she said.
"I do honestly feel that he intended for this kid to die," witness 5 told investigators. "If you're in self defense, shoot him in the leg. He's a 17-year-old, scrawny little kid. You get into a physical fight with him. ... I think the kid was running for help."
http://news.yahoo.com/trayvon-martin...opstories.html
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Wow, and some say Prosecutors case is diminishing? Hmmmm we have to wait and see, things are looking up for the Prosecutors from what I see.
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jamesedwards
Wow, and some say Prosecutors case is diminishing? Hmmmm we have to wait and see, things are looking up for the Prosecutors from what I see.
I'm not saying Zimmerman did the right thing. He should have stayed in his car.
But, add me to the list that think this material helps Zimmerman more than it helps the prosecution. You know from your work that Zimmerman only needs to establish a 'reasonable doubt'. I think he may have got there.
One thing about this case though, is that Zimmerman may be benefitting from the fact that so much of the picture painted by the media has turned out at least partially wrong. Those pee wee league football pictures look like a tiny tot. But, then we see the 7-11 video. Trayvon doesn't do anything wrong in the video, he' s just buying the skittles and iced tea, doesn't look like he's high or anything. But, he's not a tiny tot. He's taller than the clerk. If they had a fistfight, I'd bet on Trayvon winning. Maybe the clerk is really tiny, but that's the way it looks. Trayvon wasn't a tiny tot.
Also, NBC/MSNBC got caught pretty much making up stuff, with their edit of the 911 call. It was only 13 seconds, and they trimmed it down to 6 seconds, leaving out the part where the dispatcher asked for the race of the 'suspicious person'. It didn't save much time, but it made Zimmerman look worse than he was.
This is a compelling story. No need to make anything up. ABC went back and forth on the video from the night he was questioned. First it showed no wounds, then it did show wounds. CNN said Zimmerman said 'F-ing Coons' on his call to 911, then they said he said something else.
I think the media has inflamed emotions by not doing their job well. Just report the facts we know and hire analysts to go over the evidence. No need to make stuff up. If they had been reporting the story straight, saying they don't know when they don't know, maybe Zimmerman wouldn't seem to be benefitting.
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Yes if his defense can get the jury to believe that. Also yes Trayvon was tall but he was thin, there's nothing thick or threatening about Trayvon. If Trayvon was really a threat, Zimmerman had enough time to analyze if he could take him or not. Smart thing to do. But Zimmerman already knew big or small I GOT A GUN AND IT WILL CHOP HIM DOWN. So Zimmerman didn't care, he wanted to be a hero. I don't see this witness or the investigator helping Zimmerman, plus other things is going against Zimmerman. Again, self defense is the main course and the Prosecutors all they gotta do is show and prove, Zimmerman was the cause of everything and HE DID KILL Trayvon that's no doubt. The testimony of the investigator saying Zimmerman could of avoided this, just puts his self defense claim in the gutter. He had the chance to avoid it, but he chose to approach the situation, so that's what the Prosecutors are going for, and that will kill Zimmerman's self defense claim.
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I'm not saying Zimmerman did the right thing. He should have stayed in his car.
But, add me to the list that think this material helps Zimmerman more than it helps the prosecution. You know from your work that Zimmerman only needs to establish a 'reasonable doubt'. I think he may have got there.
One thing about this case though, is that Zimmerman may be benefitting from the fact that so much of the picture painted by the media has turned out at least partially wrong. Those pee wee league football pictures look like a tiny tot. But, then we see the 7-11 video. Trayvon doesn't do anything wrong in the video, he' s just buying the skittles and iced tea, doesn't look like he's high or anything. But, he's not a tiny tot. He's taller than the clerk. If they had a fistfight, I'd bet on Trayvon winning. Maybe the clerk is really tiny, but that's the way it looks. Trayvon wasn't a tiny tot.
Also, NBC/MSNBC got caught pretty much making up stuff, with their edit of the 911 call. It was only 13 seconds, and they trimmed it down to 6 seconds, leaving out the part where the dispatcher asked for the race of the 'suspicious person'. It didn't save much time, but it made Zimmerman look worse than he was.
This is a compelling story. No need to make anything up. ABC went back and forth on the video from the night he was questioned. First it showed no wounds, then it did show wounds. CNN said Zimmerman said 'F-ing Coons' on his call to 911, then they said he said something else.
I think the media has inflamed emotions by not doing their job well. Just report the facts we know and hire analysts to go over the evidence. No need to make stuff up. If they had been reporting the story straight, saying they don't know when they don't know, maybe Zimmerman wouldn't seem to be benefitting.
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Papantonio: Trayvon Killer Should Be Charged With Premeditated Murder - YouTube
do not confront or pursue and expect to use SYG
Teen's Killing Stirs Debate on 'Stand Your Ground' Law - YouTube
Originally Posted by natina http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/ima...s/viewpost.gif CAUCASIAN PEOPLE FOR ZIMMERMAN'S ARREST AND CONVICTION
OUTRAGED MOTHER OF WITNESS DESCRIBES TRAY VON MARTIN'S LAST MOMENT - YouTube
STUDENT RALLY AT SEMINOLE COUNTY CRIMINAL CENTER - 3/19/2012
CROWD OF OUTRAGED CITIZENS AND STUDENT LAWYERS DEMAND GEORGE ZIMMERMANS ARREST AND NEW STATE PROSECUTOR FOR CASE AT THE SANFORD COURTHOUSE.
THE OUTRAGED MOTHER OF WITNESS SPEAKS ON THE CHILLING MOMENTS JUST BEFORE TRAYVON MARTIN'S DEATH IN HER DAUGHTERS BACKYARD
Originally Posted by natina http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/ima...s/viewpost.gif 911 tapes Trayvon Martin Case - He called him Coon! - YouTube
facts stated in the affidavit about who was not calling for help and who the only OTHER REASONABLE EXPLANATION WOULD BE CALLING AND SCREAMING FOR HELP AS THERE WAS NO OTHERS OUT SIDE BUT ZIMMERMAN AND MTRAYVON MARTIN
AMYDALTY WILL CONTINUE TO DENY THE OBVIOUS JUST TO TROLL AFRICAN AMERICAN ISSUES.
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Well dam Natina just shut down the whole site with what she put up I was to put up what she had earlier.
Nancy cuts mic of Zimmerman's friend - YouTube
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Lets say Trayvon did fight Zimmerman, fact is Trayvon had no gun, Zimmerman should of fought force with force not a gun shot. Listen to what the first video that Natina put up. I All this evidence for the prosecutor, I don't see this diminishing. The Prosecutors got evidence also.
Papantonio: Trayvon Killer Should Be Charged With Premeditated Murder
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And I keep saying the most critical point is that 911 call where they told him not to engage and another critical evidence is Trayvon's girlfriend log they have in their possession. Someone actually had the nerve to say she's not a witness, her testimony is nothing but hear say, get the fuck outta here with that, obviously they don't know what here say means in the court of law and how it stands. It's not here say because she is not getting the info from another person, she is actually a witness and the last person to talk to Trayvon, her testimony is critical. And Papantonio is saying the same thing I am saying, and Nancy, the investigator, etc. That investigator is a step on Zimmerman's neck also because he said "ZIMMERMAN COULD OF AVOIDED THIS SITUATION" that right there is a slam dunk!!!
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some hearsay is allowed in court
it depends on the state and who did the hearsay and other factors.......
Two acquaintances painted an unflattering picture of Zimmerman in police interviews.
A distraught woman told an investigator that she stays away from Zimmerman because he's racist and because of things he's done to her in the past, but she didn't elaborate on what happened between them.
"I don't at all know who this kid was or anything else. But I know George, and I know that he does not like black people. He would start something. He's very confrontational. It's in his blood. We'll just say that," the unidentified woman says in an audio recording.
A man whose name was deleted from the audio told investigators said he worked with Zimmerman in 2008 for a few months. It wasn't clear which company it was.
The man, who described his heritage as "Middle Eastern," said that when he first started, many employees didn't like him. Zimmerman seized on this, the employee said, and bullied him.
Zimmerman wanted to "get in" with the clique at work so he exaggerated a Middle Eastern accent when talking about the employee, the man said. The employee told investigators that Zimmerman made reference to terrorists and bombings when talking about him.
"It was so immature," said the employee, who ended up writing a letter to management about Zimmerman.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...44ed43b71e48e1
evidence supports the contention of Martin's parents that Zimmerman was the aggressor.
The investigator who called for Zimmerman's arrest, Christopher Serino, told prosecutors the fight could have been avoided if Zimmerman had remained in his vehicle and awaited the arrival of law enforcement. He said Zimmerman, after leaving his vehicle, could have identified himself to Martin as a concerned citizen and talked to him instead of confronting him. The report was written March 13, nearly a month before Zimmerman's eventual arrest.
He said there is no evidence Martin was involved in any criminal activity as he walked from a convenience store to the home of his father's fiance in the same gated community where Zimmerman lived.
The lawyer for Martin's parents seized on the investigator's recommendation.
"The police concluded that none of this would have happened if George Zimmerman hadn't gotten out of his car," said attorney Ben Crump. "If George Zimmerman hadn't gotten out of his car, they say it was completely avoidable. That is the headline."
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...44ed43b71e48e1
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Being African descent is not a crime.
Being tall is not a crime, if it was there would be no NBA.
Having a hoodie is not a crime.
Going to the store late at night is not a crime.
Getting suspended from school is not a crime.
Visiting your father is not a crime.
Not trusting a stranger is not a crime.
Being a teen is not a crime.
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Lets say Trayvon did fight Zimmerman, fact is Trayvon had no gun, Zimmerman should of fought force with force not a gun shot. Listen to what the first video that Natina put up. I All this evidence for the prosecutor, I don't see this diminishing. The Prosecutors got evidence also.
Papantonio: Trayvon Killer Should Be Charged With Premeditated Murder
I only watched the first minute or two of Papantonio. There are some problems with what he said. He said 911 told him not to pursue Trayvon. The dispatcher didn't give any order. He told Zimmerman that 'we don't need you to do that'. Papantonio says the dispatcher said 'Stop!', but the dispatcher never said that.
Papantonio also thinks he KNOWS what Zimmerman's mental state was. None of us do.
I stopped watching after that. I found him to be way too pompous. There are a lot of things we still don't know about the case, but Papantonio knows everything already. Even though I know he didn't listen to the 911 tape. And if he did, he didn't hear what it said. He heard what he wanted it to say.
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it depends on the state and who did the hearsay and other factors.......
Hearsay is not allowed but it goes like this by definition of legal law: It states.
Hearsay Rule, that declares not admissible as evidence any statement other than that by a witness while testifying at the hearing and offered into evidence to prove the truth of the matter stated. The hearsay statement may be oral or written (Tray's girlfriend of what she heard and phone log) and includes nonverbal conduct intended as a substitute for words (such as a nodding of the head). If, for example, a witness' statement as to what he or she heard another person say is elicited to prove the truth of what that other person said, it is hearsay. If, however, it is elicited to merely show that the words were spoken, it is not hearsay. The witness' answer will be admissible only to show that the other person spoke certain words and not to sow the truth of the credibility of the witness is the key ingredient in weighing the truth of this or her statement.
Hearsay is prohibited due to the constitutional guarantee of confrontation.
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Zimmerman psychologically wanna be cop profile; He’s like so many other utterly unaccomplished males who fantasize about being a badass law officer, meting out justice to the ne’er-do-wells.
Trayvon Martin, White Denial and the Unacceptable Burden of Blackness in America
By now, you probably know the shameful details, but they are worth repeating, in any event.
On the evening of February 26, George Zimmerman, a self-appointed “neighborhood watch captain” in an Orlando suburb, shot and killed 17-year old Trayvon Martin.
Because Martin was black.
And no, don’t even think of rolling your eyes at the suggestion. That is what happened, just as surely as so many might well be loathe to admit it.
Oh sure, he denies such a motivation, as does his family, but the details of the incident, now emerging from that evening leave very little question about it.
This was not, as we too often hear in the wake of such incidents, “a tragedy.”
This was not, as some would have it, “a terrible accident.”
It was murder, plain and simple. And it would be called such by everyone in a nation that had any commitment to honest language, which, sadly, would pretty much rule out the one in which Martin’s life began and ended, and in which Zimmerman continues to operate as a free man, unarrested by the police.
Trayvon Martin is dead because George Zimmerman believed his neighborhood needed and deserved to be protected from young black men, who could not possibly belong there, in his estimation. Never mind that Martin was in the community with his father, visiting friends. Never mind that Martin was armed only with Skittles and iced tea, while Zimmerman carried a loaded weapon.
Zimmerman, who has a history of aggressive behavior (including assaulting an officer a few years ago), appears to have something of a Dirty Harry syndrome about him. He is someone described by his own neighbors as overzealous,.....
http://www.timwise.org/2012/03/trayv...ss-in-america/
http://www.timwise.org/2012/03/trayv...ss-in-america/
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First let me say, maybe you should of watched the whole thing. Second if he's pompous then Nancy and Curtis Silva is also, and a slew of others no matter what race they are don't agree with Zimmerman.
Pap, is into law so he knows his stuff and he is fighting cases that means he has experience, just like me, now how much experience of law do you have? Just asking.
Come on Queens Guy we know 911 didn't say stop, all Pap is saying when they said "WE DON'T NEED YOU TO DO THAT" he is saying stop just so he doesn't have to say the whole "WE DON'T NEED YOU TO DO THAT " again, that's all. He even quoted "WE DON'T NEED YOU TO DO THAT", and he just added the extra "STOP" to it, it's equivalent to "WE DON'T NEED YOU TO DO THAT". Lets be real.
The dispatchers are there for a reason, they are trained to handle certain situations and one must listen to them, if you want to be helped correctly. They work with law enforcement to do a job, they're there for a reason. So what do you mean they didn't give any order? They told Zimmerman "YOU DON'T NEED TO DO THAT", I mean what's up? I could see if they said nothing at all but they told him he need not engage the Teen.
But if you have a beef with Pap then that's your beef but the dude is an attorney and he has much experience, and like him others are upset with how the Police handled the case and what happened with Zimmerman not being arrested at first getty up!!.
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I only watched the first minute or two of Papantonio. There are some problems with what he said. He said 911 told him not to pursue Trayvon. The dispatcher didn't give any order. He told Zimmerman that 'we don't need you to do that'. Papantonio says the dispatcher said 'Stop!', but the dispatcher never said that.
Papantonio also thinks he KNOWS what Zimmerman's mental state was. None of us do.
I stopped watching after that. I found him to be way too pompous. There are a lot of things we still don't know about the case, but Papantonio knows everything already. Even though I know he didn't listen to the 911 tape. And if he did, he didn't hear what it said. He heard what he wanted it to say.
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natina
Zimmerman psychologically wanna be cop profile; He’s like so many other utterly unaccomplished males who fantasize about being a badass law officer, meting out justice to the ne’er-do-wells.
LOL I laughed when Pap said that lol :dead: He said dudes even dress in tights lol ctfu lol lmao :dead:
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InHouston
Fine, I'm cancelling my account with you. Your site sucks lately anyway. There's better content on the free tube channels than what you post up every Saturday morning.
I thought you liked freedom of speech? You threaten me with stopping giving me business because I won't alter my moral stances to fit in with your right wing racism - but then you claim you don't like the business anyway?
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BREAKING NEWS!EVIDENCE RELEASE :George Zimmerman Made Racist Remarks At Work (LISTEN)
George Zimmerman Made Racist Remarks At Work (LISTEN)
Within a collection of evidence officially released by the State Attorney's Office on Thursday, was an audio recording of a 15-minute interview with George Zimmerman's former co-worker. During the interview, the man, whose name was not given, says that Zimmerman racially targeted him and bullied him at work, ThinkProgress.com reports.
According to the witness, Zimmerman singled him out because he was Middle Eastern, calling him a "fucking moron" and mocking him with the voice of "Achmed the terrorist." He said Zimmerman would also tell stories and make jokes about "bombing" and other "Middle Eastern stuff."
Editor's Note: Some readers may find the language in this audio offensive
In addition to the second-degree murder charge he's facing, Zimmerman could also face federal hate crime charges. If convicted of second-degree murder, Zimmerman could serve a maximum sentence of life in prison. However, if he is found guilty of a federal hate crime charge, he could face the death penalty.
The witness said that he never felt physically threatened by Zimmerman or had any violent interaction with him. He said that he complained to management about Zimmerman's behavior, and Zimmerman was eventually "fired for calling the HR hotline so many times."
Complaints about Zimmerman's behavior aren't new. In the past, his neighbors complained about his aggressive tactics as a neighborhood watchmen and public records show he was arrested in Orange County in 2005 on charges of resisting arrest with violence and battery on a law enforcement officer.
Since his arrest, Zimmerman has been released on bond. The case is expected to go to trial.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...tml?ref=topbar
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how do you feel about zimmerman facing the death penalty?
how do you feel about zimmerman facing the death penalty?
In addition to the second-degree murder charge he's facing, Zimmerman could also face federal hate crime charges. If convicted of second-degree murder, Zimmerman could serve a maximum sentence of life in prison. However, if he is found guilty of a federal hate crime charge, he could face the death penalty.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1528268.html
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1528268.html
FACT IN EVIDENCE SAYS THAT ZIMMERMAN STARTED THE CONFRONTATION
"zimmerman got out of his vehicle with a 9mm pistol and pursued/stalked Travon Martin a minor who was doing nothing illegal and WHO WAS RUNNING AWAY FROM ZIMMERMAN"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47453164...mes/?gt1=43001
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I wonder if this thread had any value. it reflects or reveals entrenched positions. The law will run its course and justice might be done.
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I just look for updates in this thread since apparently the trial won't begin until next year.
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A sort of blog, Giovanni? That makes sense I guess.
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zimmers myspace page now entered into evidence?
A Myspace page that belonged to George Zimmerman in 2005 has been brought to light, and some of the contents of his page have been scrutinized in a Miami Herald article entitled “George Zimmerman’s crude Myspace page from 2005 uncovered.” The O’Mara Law Group has confirmed this page did belong to Mr. Zimmerman, though it was hacked into, and George abandoned it. The identified posts were his.
The article details a number of statements that will cast Mr. Zimmerman in a less-than-favorable light especially considering the charges he faces. In that regard, it is possible that the statements Mr. Zimmerman made could be used as part of the trial, and therefore it is our policy not to comment directly on items that could become evidence.
Frances Robles, the Miami Herald reporter that broke the story tweeted “Crump tells me #Zimmerman's anti-Mexican comments on MySpace show ‘a pattern of profiling.’” We believe that inviting public scrutiny of the contents of this social media account invites scrutiny of the social media accounts of all parties involved. While these social media accounts may be public, we will not comment on them publicly, as they may be part of the evidence produced at trial.
A Myspace page that belonged to George Zimmerman in 2005 has been brought to light, and some of the contents of his page have been scrutinized in a Miami Herald article entitled “George Zimmerman’s crude Myspace page from 2005 uncovered.” The O’Mara Law Group has confirmed this page did belong to Mr. Zimmerman, though it was hacked into, and George abandoned it. The identified posts were his.
The article details a number of statements that will cast Mr. Zimmerman in a less-than-favorable light especially considering the charges he faces. In that regard, it is possible that the statements Mr. Zimmerman made could be used as part of the trial, and therefore it is our policy not to comment directly on items that could become evidence.
Frances Robles, the Miami Herald reporter that broke the story tweeted “Crump tells me #Zimmerman's anti-Mexican comments on MySpace show ‘a pattern of profiling.’” We believe that inviting public scrutiny of the contents of this social media account invites scrutiny of the social media accounts of all parties involved. While these social media accounts may be public, we will not comment on them publicly, as they may be part of the evidence produced at trial.
http://gzlegalcase.com/index.php/pre...ge-scrutinized
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George Zimmerman Made Racist Remarks At Work (LISTEN)
Within a
collection of evidence officially released by the State Attorney's Office on Thursday, was an audio recording of a 15-minute interview with George Zimmerman's former co-worker. During the interview, the man, whose name was not given, says that
Zimmerman racially targeted him and bullied him at work,
ThinkProgress.com reports.
According to the witness, Zimmerman singled him out because he was Middle Eastern, calling him a "fucking moron" and mocking him with the voice of "Achmed the terrorist." He said Zimmerman would also tell stories and make jokes about "bombing" and other "Middle Eastern stuff."
Editor's Note: Some readers may find the language in this audio offensive
In addition to the second-degree murder charge he's facing, Zimmerman could also face federal hate crime charges. If convicted of second-degree murder, Zimmerman could serve a maximum sentence of life in prison. However, if he is found guilty of a federal hate crime charge, he could face the death penalty.
The witness said that he never felt physically threatened by Zimmerman or had any violent interaction with him. He said that he complained to management about Zimmerman's behavior, and Zimmerman was eventually "fired for calling the HR hotline so many times."
Complaints about Zimmerman's behavior aren't new. In the past, his
neighbors complained about his aggressive tactics as a neighborhood watchmen and public records show he was
arrested in Orange County in 2005 on charges of resisting arrest with violence and battery on a law enforcement officer.
Since his arrest, Zimmerman has been released on bond. The case is expected to go to trial.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...tml?ref=topbar
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Prospero
I wonder if this thread had any value. it reflects or reveals entrenched positions. The law will run its course and justice might be done.
It has been a useful, if occasionally dispiriting opportunity for BMs to discuss their versions of justice. The speculation on what actually happened has been the most tiresome because it relies on 'new revelations' without establishing an objective context for them, or indeed incontrovertible facts, other than that one person was shot dead. An object lesson in how one event can become, in the media, several events, and further proof of the way in which 'the truth' about an event, regardless of the evidence, can never be understood; or that maybe some people refuse to accept one narrative and create another -whether it is FDR knowing about a Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour before it happened, the assassinations of JFK, RFK and Martin Luther King, MalcolmX, and down to 9/11.
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zimmerman mentors african american kids LISTEN
A clip from a TV show called "Without Prejudice?" which was on GSN a couple of years ago. l think this video will help people to start an important dialog. ***** UPDATE E-MAIL FROM MICHAEL (Contestant on the show): Awesome man. This is so random but i am so glad you put this up. Folks are talking. The show won awards in the UK and so they made a US version. This was the pilot episode and the most popular. it was such a success that they got a full season from it. it is an hour long show and we were all randomly chosen. The judges and the contestants. So they wanted to see if the judges could "judge" without prejudice. They would go on to award the winner 25K. I was the winner. Myself and the other finalist were the only 2 contestants that got to actually meet the judges and when i met them, the polynesian guy had a change of heart and actually voted FOR me. The edits don't show that he came from his seat and hugged me. It was a very interesting experience. We had no idea what the judges were saying or doing or who they even were, for that matter. so i had no idea that he was racist when i went out and met the judges. It ended well though. I talked to that guy over a meal and he said that he had a change of heart.
zimmers myspace page now entered into evidence?
A Myspace page that belonged to George Zimmerman in 2005 has been brought to light, and some of the contents of his page have been scrutinized in a Miami Herald article entitled “George Zimmerman’s crude Myspace page from 2005 uncovered.” The O’Mara Law Group has confirmed this page did belong to Mr. Zimmerman, though it was hacked into, and George abandoned it. The identified posts were his.
The article details a number of statements that will cast Mr. Zimmerman in a less-than-favorable light especially considering the charges he faces. In that regard, it is possible that the statements Mr. Zimmerman made could be used as part of the trial, and therefore it is our policy not to comment directly on items that could become evidence.
Frances Robles, the Miami Herald reporter that broke the story tweeted “Crump tells me #Zimmerman's anti-Mexican comments on MySpace show ‘a pattern of profiling.’” We believe that inviting public scrutiny of the contents of this social media account invites scrutiny of the social media accounts of all parties involved. While these social media accounts may be public, we will not comment on them publicly, as they may be part of the evidence produced at trial.
A Myspace page that belonged to George Zimmerman in 2005 has been brought to light, and some of the contents of his page have been scrutinized in a Miami Herald article entitled “George Zimmerman’s crude Myspace page from 2005 uncovered.” The O’Mara Law Group has confirmed this page did belong to Mr. Zimmerman, though it was hacked into, and George abandoned it. The identified posts were his.
The article details a number of statements that will cast Mr. Zimmerman in a less-than-favorable light especially considering the charges he faces. In that regard, it is possible that the statements Mr. Zimmerman made could be used as part of the trial, and therefore it is our policy not to comment directly on items that could become evidence.
Frances Robles, the Miami Herald reporter that broke the story tweeted “Crump tells me #Zimmerman's anti-Mexican comments on MySpace show ‘a pattern of profiling.’” We believe that inviting public scrutiny of the contents of this social media account invites scrutiny of the social media accounts of all parties involved. While these social media accounts may be public, we will not comment on them publicly, as they may be part of the evidence produced at trial.
http://gzlegalcase.com/index.php/pre...ge-scrutinized
zimmermans lawyer is busy making excuse for him running out of lies
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Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?
Wow at that video! (Not the Johnnie Taylor one)
Does that asshole really think blacks WANT to be singled out? If these dickheads were to just give EVERYONE a fair shake in life instead of prejudging there wouldn't NEED to be an NAACP, or affirmative action, or even GLAAD. I probably would have gone off on that fool...
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Prospero
I wonder if this thread had any value. it reflects or reveals entrenched positions. The law will run its course and justice might be done.
Value? As in something of worth ? The only value I can see is what it's doing for the post count of Natina and James Edwards....that's not necessarily a bad thing, everyone has an opinion and this is an open forum. It's probably more revealing than valuable. I share no racial, cultural, or geographic identity with Zimmerman, and certainly not with Martin, but it does break down pretty much along racial lines on here . Black folks will identify with Martin, white folks by in large won't. We all know it. You need only to go back and look at the reaction on some college campuses after the OJ verdict....yet when he finally was convicted and sent away for unrelated crimes...hardly a response. That's a fascinating and disturbing set of circumstances, yet that's a little too deep for the media and talking heads like Nancy Grace with 30 seconds to make their point care to elaborate on. They'd rather speculate on the latest rumors in cases like this. It is curious to me why some are so heavily invested in this in light of the fact so many of these high profile cases involving race, or the perception of being racial turn out far differently than they first appear. Justice? It all depends on what side of the courtroom you're sitting on. It may ultimately be "just" according to the law and the admissible evidence if Zimmerman is convicted of manslaughter, but that's hardly going to resolve anything, least of all on here.
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onmyknees
I share no racial, cultural, or geographic identity with Zimmerman, and certainly not with Martin, but it does break down pretty much along racial lines on here .
And yet, Trayvon Martin was an American, as you and Zimmerman are, politically, geographically and yes, culturally too.
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"The witness said that he never felt physically threatened by Zimmerman or had any violent interaction with him. He said that he complained to management about Zimmerman's behavior, and Zimmerman was eventually "fired for calling the HR hotline so many times."
DAmmmmm they got record of that? And cats running around thinking prosecutors case is diminishing? LOL
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If Zimmerman is found guilty on either charge he should do life in prison not a death penalty. Let him rot in jail, no easy way out.
I don't know if he will get found guilty for hate crime, but for killing Trayvon yep I see that.
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onmyknees
Justice? It all depends on what side of the courtroom you're sitting on. It may ultimately be "just" according to the law and the admissible evidence if Zimmerman is convicted of manslaughter, but that's hardly going to resolve anything, least of all on here.
What are you talking about? He was arrested under 2nd degree murder charges, why are people saying manslaughter? It's not manslaughter he wasn't the cause of Tray's death, he did murder Trayvon.
I'm not going on racism, I already told someone why people are looking at racism. My point is, ZIMMERMAN SHOULD OF STAYED HIS ASS IN THE SUV, AND ONCE THIS IS ESTABLISHED HE WON'T BE ABLE TO SAY SELF DEFENSE AND HIS ASS IF OFF TO JAIL FOR KILLING AN UNARMED TEEN!!!
That's it.
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It's amazing how many poeple don't understand how the law works in here. Comments that Zimmerman made at a former job have no bearing on this case whatsoever. It's not admissible in court. They are good talking points, however, for poeple who are trying him in the media and for people who have already made up their minds about matter. You want him to be found guilty so you revel in details that will end up having no bearing in court whatsoever. Somebody even suggested that comments made by Zimmermen in a previous job prove he's a racist - thereofore the shooting was a hate crime (by assoication) and he can get the death penalty...What kind of asshole logic is this?
Personally, I don't give a fuck about Travon Martin one tiny bit. Where is all the media outrage at this? There isn't any.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/05/18...la-police-say/
Oh, and forget about hate crime charges being brought to the low-lifes who targeted these two asian students.
The facts are these (and you don't have to like the): Black people prey on society with virtual impunity. That's why nobody gives a fuck about Travon Martin. Cases like the one I cited above are commonplace and NEVER hyped out of proportion by the media- so why should I give a fuck about Travon Martin who was well on his way to becoming a degenerate in his own right.
You wanna know why people hate black people? Click on the link above.
You wanna know why poeple stalk blacks wearing hoodies in thier neighborhood? Click on the link above.
You wanna know why we don't give a shit about Travon Martin? Click on the link above.
Taveon Martin....cry me a fucking river.
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Originally Posted by
Prospero
I wonder if this thread had any value. it reflects or reveals entrenched positions. The law will run its course and justice might be done.
I think it does, as a lot of information has just been released.
Once we reach a point where nothing new comes along, which will probably happen in a few weeks after all of this newly released information is digested, I think you're right, it will become mostly a matter of everybody forming their own opinion. At that point this thread will become stale and we'll just have to wait until the trial happens.
Right now, it's interesting to see how different people interpret the same evidence or information. The things that are what they are, instead of things that lead to speculation. For instance, the video of Trayvon at the 7-11 buying the skittles and iced tea is what it is. Just a video of him at the store.
But jamesedward and I have different takeaways from it. I see a person who looks more like a young man than the tiny tot in the little league football jersey or the other picture of Trayvon in an orange t-shirt that has been shown so much in this story. jamesedward, correct me if I'm wrong, I don't want to put words in your mouth, but you see him as a thin guy, maybe even scrawny. I see Trayvon as more of a potential threat because of that video. I could hold off that tiny tot like in a Three Stooges clip. Just put my hand on his forehead while he swings his short arms. But the Trayvon in the video is taller and has more reach. He could land jabs on me if we squared off. jamesedward doesn't see it that way.
So, I think it's still useful, for now.
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hard4janira
The facts are these (and you don't have to like the): Black people prey on society with virtual impunity. That's why nobody gives a fuck about Travon Martin. Cases like the one I cited above are commonplace and NEVER hyped out of proportion by the media- so why should I give a fuck about Travon Martin who was well on his way to becoming a degenerate in his own right.
You wanna know why people hate black people? Click on the link above.
You wanna know why poeple stalk blacks wearing hoodies in thier neighborhood? Click on the link above.
You wanna know why we don't give a shit about Travon Martin? Click on the link above.
Taveon Martin....cry me a fucking river.
Damn. I'm black and this stings a bit. But, sadly, you are correct. Your point is valid that we need to clean our house. I won't dispute that. Although, I know from having these discussions with my own family and circle of friends that you aren't going to get many black folks to agree. Most refuse to accept any responsibility for the way our young men are turning out. They don't even want to hear this from iconic members of our community, like Bill Cosby, much less whites.
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hard4janira
The facts are these (and you don't have to like the): Black people prey on society with virtual impunity.......so why should I give a fuck about Travon Martin who was well on his way to becoming a degenerate in his own right.
1) If your first comment is true, why are there are so many Black Americans in prison, if they can commit crimes with impunity. Or is it the case that the ones in prison are innocent and its the guilty who go free?
2) Trayvon had a strong father figure in his life, something that runs completely against the stereotypes other BMs have used on this thread who follow the Charles Murray school of Sociology that caricatures 'Black families' as fatherless, moms addicted to crack or booze, dependent on welfare, dysfunctional, disengaged with society at lage, involved in crime, drug addiction etc etc. Your ability to predict how his life would have turned out is either a mark of your astonishing aptitude, or an astonishing act of prejudice.
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It's a tragedy that Trayvon died, but Zimmerman had a right to confront him about why he was in the gated community without being physically attacked by Trayvon. Keep in mind that the whole gated community was private property, including the streets and sidewalks.
