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Originally Posted by deee757
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unless u were there, you never know what is true
Do you think slavery in the U.S. was true?
I think racism in the us is true. Slavery, i was not there so I don't know. I have read books by white supremacist that says all black slaves were sold into slavery by other blacks which would make them indentured servants.
The slaves
imported to America were almost without exception captured by rival black tribes & nations in Africa, and then sold to either Arabs or Europeans depending on what port we're talking about.
BUT, this is not where "all slaves" came from, we outlawed the slave trade pretty early in our history. Meaning, in order to get a slave, it had to be an American-
born slave unless the slave pre-dated the ban, so we basically went from importing slaves via slave ships, to breeding slaves domestically. It was all about the money, outlawing the slave trade was an economic decision rather than a moral one- it was making a lot of families, including a lot of yankee families, a great deal of money.
That's partly why slave owning families actually usually kept a paper trail in log books on their slaves, showing information like DOBs/year of birth, ages, family relations, sometimes purchase/sale prices etc, kind of the way high end dog or horse breeders do today.
This information was very important, because in breeder states like NY- a slave would legally be freed upon reaching a certain age, so they would have to keep record of them to know when to sell them to out of state buyers before the slave could become freed- otherwise they'd lose out on their investment. Thus, before that age limit could be met the slaves close to that limit would be shipped down the river to the southern states and sold aka "sold down the river."
The conspiracy isn't in pretending that slavery existed when it did not, but rather pretending that it was a purely southern practice when it was not. It took the civil war to end the institution of slavery in northern breeder states like NY, and NY was actually later than Virginia to extend suffrage rights to blacks. You'll find it was also the northern companies (shipping companies particularly) that made most the money off of southern slave labor- because they were the middle men in selling slave-generated products abroad (cotton, tobacco, etc). That's why Lincoln initially only intended to end slavery as a revenge tactic to punish states that left the union, initially any slave state that stayed in the union was to continue the practice...
Sure, I wasn't there. But I don't see any other explanation for the documents i.e. log books that still exist. No conspiracy would have managed to create all those documents, and do so with such quality forgeries as to mislead every historian, archivist and genealogist who has used them since, and in many cases these log books are still in the families that had owned slaves in the past. Why would any family fabricate sources that would make themselves look bad?
The white supremacist argument is simply kaput. If I kidnapped one of my cousins and tried to sell them into slavery, ok- sure, that would be a bad thing on my part. But if someone took me up on that offer, purchased one of my cousins, and then enslaved them in a foreign country- that too would be a bad thing, on their part. There's plenty of blame to go around, no excuses, revisionist histories, or fabricated stories could mitigate the indisputable guilt that does exist when talking about the Americans who did use, OR PROFIT, from slave labor... the white slave owners (who, were the vast majority even if some slave owners were black) were wrong, and nothing can change that reality. Bringing up the Arabs, blacks, and other groups that played a role in 18th-19th century slavery just shows there is more blame
to talk about, not that there is less.
