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I was having a conversation with a friend of mine and we've come to the conclusion a long time ago, that the rift between blacks and whites, that really lies at the heart of this country's foundation, wealth and power, will also cause it's internal erosion. The animous is becoming increasingly greater. The internet has become means for people to really vent visceral emotions, that they can't articulate at work, school or other social settings. I go on Youtube frequently and there was this popular 5 second click of this little black girl saying "You're a Noob!" It actually was on the homepage for a while. I guess I was curious one day and viewed it, fine. Then I started reading the comments and there were pages upon pages of racist comments about this little girl, just for saying "You're a Noob". So, the bottled up aggression and hostility is very evident on both sides. However, as a black man I've always wondered what historical and present day subtext, do some whites have to stand on, to justify their hostility and animous towards blacks. What, we talk loudly in the movie theater, you dislike rap music and fashion, or the high crime rate amongst some blacks gives you license to say "Were even"! Many of the things whites dislike about blacks eminate from feelings black self-hatred and brainwashing learned thru the centuries of oppression. It's America's greatest psychological experiment. On this very site, it's not uncommon for a HA member to make disparaging comments about black TS's, then get angry when someone calls them to the carpet about it. Furthermore, after years of hearing such comments and slurs, the internalization process is set. Singer Mary J Blige talks in detail about how her "bad attitude", drug and alcohol abuse and other dysfunctional behaviors, stemmed from feelings of self hatred. It's common in Black families or even Latin families to tear down children for having a darker complexion, courser hair texture and such. No wonder why! Just read some of the shit on this very website. People take clues from larger society and it infects/affects the way they raise their children. Many young white girls have low self-esteem and eating disorders because of their bodyweight. It's not uncommon for some white parent(s) or siblings to be complicit in their feelings of loathing, by making harsh comments sending them over the edge (anorexia, bulimia or suicide). So, for white people to deflect criticism from some bigot like Imus, by castigating blacks for using the "N word" is the epitome of ignorance and arrogance. It reminds me of abusive, unsupportive parents calling their children "good for nothing" or you'll be just like your no good father" their whole lives, then say "I told you" when they end up as a teenage parent or incarcerated.
I haven't read all 30 plus pages, but the back and forth is just evidence of what I just stated. This society is inherently racist. Everytime, a white person puts their foot in their mouth, the so-called liberal media finds a way to shape the discussion into what blacks are doing wrong. Michael Richards (Kramer) calls a heckler a ni@@er 10+ times at a comedy show, then it turns into rappers using the "N word" and blacks being supposedly hypocritical. Unless, you really understand the complexities of internalized racism, you won't understand why a marginalized group embraces the language of their oppresor. It's almost like a "Stockholm Syndrome" of sorts. I hear women (including white women) jokingly call each other bitch or ho all the time in NYC. Matter of fact, they proudly wear those little T-shirts with sayings like "Slut" or "Bitch and Proud". However, I guarantee if this was a predominitely white basketball team and Don Imus called the team, "a bunch of dikes and manly looking bitches" and then prominent women's groups called for his firing and put the pressure on his national advertisers, you wouldn't see cable news shows (mainly Fox) dragging the women's groups thru the mud as instigators and being the reason behind gender discord in American culture. Nor would they dig up speeches some white feminist made in college 20-30 years ago, where she made a sweeping slur about men and use that as a means covertly defend Imus or label her as a hypocritical "man hater". These luxuries are afforded whites, when they stand up against injustice, yet blacks are always labeled complainers or hypocrites. I remember one jackass white conservative commentator saying if blacks are so upset that cops are allegedly brutalizing and killing black men, then why don't they stop black on black violence in their own community. I mean WTF kind of rationale is that! If it was that friggin easy, then why don't local, state and federal lawmakers do the same thing for the entire country. However, this man's rhetoric is endemic of what I'm seeing on the news recently. Yet, with Michael Richards and to a larger degree Imus, this is exactly how the debate is being framed against Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. Everytime they stand up against racist language or police brutality, someone brings up Tawana Brawley or Jesse's "Hymietown" comments. Sharpton and Jesse paid their penants for their deeds and comments in the 1980's and still do. Why should Imus be different and should Al or Jesse be political eunichs, because of past transgressions. Sharpton has caught hell from the NYC media and in spite of attempts to rehabilate his image, he will always be maligned as the "racial boogeyman". His Co-D of sorts, Alton Maddox was disbarred from practicing law and has been for almost 2 decades, in spite of numerous appeals. So this B.S about there being a racial double standard, slanted against whites, is delusional nonsense.
I have one suggestion and it's a modification of something Sharpton said. For all you people that hate Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson so much, what are you doing when acts of racism and sexism become evident. Racism in the white community will only be solved or at least decreased, when whites stop accepting these transgressions as "nothing important" or using the actions of some blacks, as a reason to justify racism. I've heard numerous whites justify the NYPD shooting of Sean Bell, as being the black communities fault because of the influx of crime. Once again, WTF! Most of the time the Al & Jesse haters, do nothing but justify or make tepid denounciations, then wonder why these men always have to step up. Some people act as though, the police dept should never be questioned by the black community, no matter how many innocent blacks are beaten, shot or killed. Furthermore, they act as though racist language should just fly over our heads. These B.S defenses of Imus and Michael Richards, by mentioning Dave Chappelle or Chris Rock's racially tinged humor are disingenious. Those two cats have more white fans, than black. Another thing, they give black folks just as much grief in their comedy as whites.
I'll end my tirade by saying this, if somebody can produce a tape of Don Imus calling innocent, young white women "Stringy haired sluts" or something similar, then I'll rescind everything I said.
LMFAO, Ezed...and a big co-sign!Quote:
Originally Posted by ezed
[quote="beatmaker"] However, as a black man I've always wondered what historical and present day subtext, do some whites have to stand on, to justify their hostility and animous towards blacks. What, we talk loudly in the movie theater, you dislike rap music and fashion, or the high crime rate amongst some blacks gives you license to say "Were evenl quote]
Im amused by the last few words in this statement..."We're Even"
Even?? What exactly do you mean by "Even"...like blacks are owed a debt from whites? Like because of slavery modern white folks are responsible for the actions of some rednecks a couple hundred years ago,probably way before a majority of current white Americans families ever even immigrated to this country?!
Even??? WOW!
A second Co-sign.Quote:
Originally Posted by ezed
I have not forgotten my word to respond to Quinn, or a few posts that have been posted since then, but I've got a terrible head cold that I came down with a few days ago(I'd rather lie down if I can iow), and I've also got a room full of papers of which my tax papers are part of and need serious addressing.
Until I get back on my feet(seat) again, carry on. :)
Understood. Sitting down and forumlating a comprehensive argument on something this complex can be a real pain in the ass if you're not feeling well. I hope you feel better soon. Until then, take it easy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Realgirls4me
-Quinn
I dunno ---I think this whole thing with Don Imus --is inspiring racism...in me
I know the thrill of the whole thing is gone ---but people are still talking about it ---and it will cool off --and soon enough be forgotten ---or at least pushed back --out of our focus
today I watched MAD TV ---and there was ....I dunno -----I feel beaten --I feel limited ----not ME ---but white people in general ----white people can't say things that black people can ---and it is wrong ---dead wrong
and after MAD TV ended --comedy central had some live comedians ---and sure enough --it was an African American dude ---
I couldn't --I wouldn't watch ----
That's pretty fucking funny coming from you, 'tardboy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Legend
You've done a lot of bible-banging on this forum, ever since your nappy-headed ho ass rode in here on the motherfucking short bus...you fucking cretin...
Now keep talking, dipshit... 8)
I haven't checked out that bit yet, but he kicks ass. Wasn't he a regular on Colin Quinn's show on CC?Quote:
Originally Posted by ezed