US Elections 2020

Yup Fanti, I’ve seen a lot of these. It happens a lot in NYC. They always seem to be majority white...you always have a least one sweaty, shirtless skater boy dude screaming repetitive nonsense (I used to wonder if it’s the same guy, but there’s actually lots of guys [I was ready to say ‘kids’ , but...no] like that). You will notice however, that there’s usually at least one or two black people fronting it, usually with a megaphone. That’s not by accident...when BLM organizes this, either alone or in conjunction with other groups, they insist on being in the forefront...I would assume, because otherwise it would look like it’s what it really is - an annoying anarchistic temper tantrum daring establishment to stop them...and often leadership is found weak. It wasn’t like that at first - they even had a protest on my street - it was fairly nice, all things considered. But, now you got the “Occupy” crowd involved along with almost every other annoying human being on the planet. I wish your city well. It’s already done countless damage to mine. Just look at the rising crime statistics.

I think maybe the problem is the Antifa and Occupy crowd. They love hijacking shit. There were reports early on that BLM tried to distance themselves from it...but I don’t know.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBbPJsNZMPg

My issues though, are how they are affecting my city. Should probably be in a different thread, but seeing how few people even comment here now...I guess it really doesn’t matter anymore.

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Originally Posted by fred41

My issues though, are how they are affecting my city. Should probably be in a different thread, but seeing how few people even comment here now...I guess it really doesn’t matter anymore.

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I hope the silence here is now due in part to some folks realizing that what they are being shown by the media in terms of "BLM" is not representative of how all of Black America feels....

Oh dear, poor Mr Felder had his evening spoiled by a small demonstration that got out of hand. It is not known why the demonstrrators chose that part of Dallas, but if it is the case they did not convert anyone there to the cause, it was a flop. It is an illustration of the problem that some, perhaps most of the demonstations reveal: when a cause so broad as race is organized by a marginal few, it has no traction. Yes, people will turn up, shout, wave placards, provoke law enforcement, but as a political movement is is all sound and fury, signifying nothing, because it wants structural change that is not possible without the kind of revolution Mr Felder thinks the 'trained Marxists' want to achieve -in Texas?

And what is a 'trained Marxist' anyway? They have had lectures on Dialectics? Base and Superstructure? Party organization and the development of Cadres? The lecture by Angela Davis below, offers a different way of seeing things, from 2008, but still relevant today.

She talks about the difference betweeen collective action and 'heroic individualism' -she points out that what was cruial in the Civil Rights movement in the south in the 1960s was collective action with a specific focus, for example, not a struggle for racial equality as a grand gesture for all of the USA, but unpicking the elements of segregation in the South, one by one, with the Montgomery Bus Boycott the perfect example, and, she emphasizes, a boycott organized by women, Joanne Robinson and Rosa Parks both being part of that campaign.
Again, though she concedes the faults in the Black Panther Party she points out it had, in Oakland, a specific focus: to monitor police activity, showing up when law enforcement stopped a Black man holding copies of the law in one hand, and a gun in the other, to make it clear law enforcement had to respect a citizen's rights (this is before Miranda). But, Davis, notes, history prefers the heroic indivduals, like Martin Luther King, rather than the otherwise nameless men and women who did the organizing, ran off the leaflets, mounted the demonstrations.

She makes the point that a Women's Welfare organization in the 1960s campaigned for two things: either jobs, or what today is called a universal basic income. And as she believes knowledge is socially constructed, she argues the definition of meanings ought not to be left to the State. The people have a right to define what is real, just as they have a right not so much to erase history, as to re-write it using the voices and the achievements of those who went before that were so easily ignored and forgotten.

But here is the crowning irony for Mr Felder and his hysterical whining about 'Cultural Marxism' -it is that the Republican Party and the alt-right has adopted the Marxian or more properly, the Leninist strategy amended by Gramsci that has become known as the 'march through the institutions'. Not so much 'Cultural Marxism' as 'Cultural Individualism'. For just as the Koch Bros, the Moral Majority, the Christian Evangelists and others in the 1960s and 1970s began to invade the Universities and the Media with their Libertarian propaganda, so in the State House they have picked off one policy after another to undo all that collective action achieved in the 1960s -voting rights, abortion, religious freedom, gender suppression- to become in practical terms more successful than any feeble American Marxist organization, and not least higher up the food chain where Democrats seem terrified of reversing or challenging effetively an erosion of Liberal Democracy whose greatest and most vicious Champion is in the White House.

Who is it today, that is actually changing America? Not the left.

I commend this speech, as it does contain some valuable insights-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc6RHtEbiOA

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Originally Posted by MrFanti

I hope the silence here is now due in part to some folks realizing that what they are being shown by the media in terms of "BLM" is not representative of how all of Black America feels....

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When I wrote “ few people comment here now” , I meant that in general about the ‘Politics and Religion’ section. Seemed like it used to be way busier once upon a time.

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Originally Posted by fred41

Yup Fanti, I’ve seen a lot of these. It happens a lot in NYC. They always seem to be majority white...you always have a least one sweaty, shirtless skater boy dude screaming repetitive nonsense (I used to wonder if it’s the same guy, but there’s actually lots of guys [I was ready to say ‘kids’ , but...no] like that). You will notice however, that there’s usually at least one or two black people fronting it, usually with a megaphone. That’s not by accident...when BLM organizes this, either alone or in conjunction with other groups, they insist on being in the forefront...I would assume, because otherwise it would look like it’s what it really is - an annoying anarchistic temper tantrum daring establishment to stop them...and often leadership is found weak. It wasn’t like that at first - they even had a protest on my street - it was fairly nice, all things considered. But, now you got the “Occupy” crowd involved along with almost every other annoying human being on the planet. I wish your city well. It’s already done countless damage to mine. Just look at the rising crime statistics.

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So....
First take a look at the Black Libertarian video that I posted - specifically how Black people are insulted by the Democrats and we don't even realize it! This never more apparent than when Joe Biden said that (to paraphrase) that 'you ain't Black if you don't vote for him'. That recent video of the White BLM and what Biden said are perfect examples that support the Black Libertarian saying that White Democrats think Black people are too stupid to think for ourselves and thus they (White Democrat) have to rush in and "save the day".

And you ***might*** be able to make a case that White establishment Democrats do not want another minority in the White House anymore....because of all the available people....Joe Biden is "THE ONE"....?

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Originally Posted by MrFanti

So....
First take a look at the Black Libertarian video that I posted - specifically how Black people are insulted by the Democrats and we don't even realize it! This never more apparent than when Joe Biden said that (to paraphrase) that 'you ain't Black if you don't vote for him'. That recent video of the White BLM and what Biden said are perfect examples that support the Black Libertarian saying that White Democrats think Black people are too stupid to think for ourselves and thus they (White Democrat) have to rush in and "save the day".

And you ***might*** be able to make a case that White establishment Democrats do not want another minority in the White House anymore....because of all the available people....Joe Biden is "THE ONE"....?

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Listen, I try to be as upfront as i can when I

...sorry, don’t know what happened to the rest of that last quote, but I suspect Mr. Bourbon might of played a role in that. Don’t remember entirely what the post consisted of, but going by the content of the last few posts and the beginning of the last sentence...I believe what I was trying to say was ...I’ve already seen some of those videos. I’m white and retired from a non NYPD LE position in NYC. My political leanings at this moment are moderate...swinging slightly right. As such, having friends and ex work mates in conservative leaning employment, I often see videos like this on social media. Conservative white guys will always tout videos by conservative black people, as if that automatically makes their point...as opposed to the extreme political left, who either ignore those points...or openly deride them (white, often relatively wealthy, liberals telling people living their lives in their black skin...how wrong they are...lol...hello Bernie Bros). I see that you consider yourself a Libertarian. I ran with that for a while when I was younger. Thing is, none of those political concepts - Libertarian, Socialist, Communist - whatever, really work in real life. Because in order for a pure idealistic political form to work, you need people to be incorruptible, and that’s never going to happen. What seems to work for now, is a mix of certain political policies.
Anyways, it seems to my eye (despite what might actually be completely different, given that a video narrative could be edited to change viewpoint) that we had a predominant POC patronage and staff at a restaurant in perhaps a mall (?) including children, trying to enjoy a meal (hard enough to do in at least NYC right now) and being annoyed by an unnecessary, unruly group who also end up breaking shit. But hey, I could be wrong.

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Originally Posted by MrFanti

And you ***might*** be able to make a case that White establishment Democrats do not want another minority in the White House anymore....because of all the available people....Joe Biden is "THE ONE"....?

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Sorry MrFanti, I never addressed this part of your quote. I don’t honestly think you can blame white establishment Democrats for this one. Neither Kamala Harris nor Cory Booker seemed to poll well in the black community. One of the reasons Joe Biden is still standing, is because of older southern black voters...thank God for that, in my opinion, because it cancelled out the, under 30, northern black votes for Bernie.