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Another one who has trouble with facts. 32% of Latino males voted for Trump according to the link your fellow traveller helpfully provided. The same link shows that Trump had only a 1% majority among people earning $50k or more, which hardly supports your simplistic argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by BostonBad
First of all, when you're talking about the Baby Boomer parents of transgenders, who are you talking about? I've heard the figure that .3% of the U.S. population is transgender. So giving the benefit of the doubt that each transgender person has two living parents, at most we're talking about .6% of Baby Boomers with transgender children. I doubt there's much sense of generation-wide responsibility there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
Secondly, the USA is a Christian nation, always has been. It's no big mystery. Whatever you might believe here, if it challenges Christian beliefs, it's going to be challenged politically. The day may come when U.S. politicians' symbiotic relationship with the Christian voting bloc is no longer de rigueur. But that day is not today. What you perceive as indifference on my part is actually your idealism meeting my pragmatism and not liking the smell.
All revisionist history aside, when you hear someone refer to any generation born before the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the "white" part is understood.Quote:
Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel
Spelling isn't among your problems, Flighty. Less ambitious mathematical approaches to our disagreement here bear out exactly what I said - the Baby Boomers voted for Trump.Quote:
Originally Posted by filghy2
Nick. again, I do understand your so-called pragmatism, but in return you could at least admit that what I am arguing is the polar opposite of Idealism because it is based firmly on reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick Danger
The reality that more than 5 million Americans are denied the vote in those states where a citizen with a prison record cannot vote; millions are denied the vote because the State has in place a means of registering citizens that is designed to find reasons not to register them and guess what, most of those Americas are Black, or Latino, or have names like Kim or Mohammed.
In Wisconsin alone, citizens eligible to vote were denied the right for the most trivial of reasons, but now look at the figures: votes denied: 200,000; margin of victory for the President: 22,748.
https://www.thenation.com/article/wi...-won-by-23000/
And what proportion of those Americans denied the vote are the same 'baby boomers' you claim are responsible for the outcome of the election?
As for Transgendered Americans who may have voted for HIM (as in, His Imperial Majesty] spare a thought for what might actually be the majority of Transgendered Americans who were also prevented from voting because of ID issues, thus:
In the United States, the Williams Institute estimated that by requiring voters to present a government-issued photo ID at the polls, nine states may have disenfranchised over 25,000 transgender people in the November 2012 election,because poll workers are unlikely to have training on how to handle transgender people, and may erroneously suspect voter fraud.
Transgender individuals may also be discouraged from voting under these photo identification circumstances because of prior experiences with presenting identification that does not accurately reflect their gender: 41% percent of transgender people reported being harassed in situations where they presented gender incongruent identification, while 15% reported being asked to leave the venue where the identification had been presented, and 3% reported being assaulted or attacked as a result of presenting their ID.Additionally, 22% percent reported being denied equal treatment or being verbally harassed by government officials.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transg..._United_States
The reality is that the US while correctly implementing laws that prevent voter fraud, has -in many states- a suspiciously zealous attitude to voter registration that appears to discourage voting, rather than encourage it.
As for Christianity, even if the USA is de facto a Christian state because so many of its Federal and State legislators claim to be, the USA is for legal purposes an agnostic state. But if this means that a Christian has more rights than a Jew, a Muslim or anyone else, put it into law where everyone can see it, just as some States are, in effect, putting into law measures that target Transgendered Americas precisely and only because they are Transgendered.
This is realism, not idealism, and it is happening in a State near you. Now. And Tomorrow.
Trump is a great American Hero ....but ONLY in the minds of his flock. Limbaugh and Fox News have been creating him for 20 years. The problem is, the Trump character wasn't created to run the Nation, he was created to mesmerize his audience. And make everyone else ill.
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Huh? So we should regard non-white people as non-persons until 1964? That might be true in your part of the world but don't assume it's true for the rest of us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick Danger
You have certainly given a thorough and truthful description of the American system of democracy. But none of that matters. You, me, and everyone else in this thread sat in our living rooms and watched George W. Bush steal two elections back-to-back on national television.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
But stealing elections isn't what he'll be remembered for. Bush is a tough case because he actually was a pretty shitty President. Dick Cheney, on the other hand, was a great President in the classic conservative self-serving style. But the public has a short memory, and the winners write the history. Bush will ultimately go down in history as a beloved, slightly oafish, war-hawk-by-necessity President with a heart of gold. As long as he doesn't give too many speeches between now and his death.
Lot of fishy things about this last election, from both sides of the fence. We may have just voted in our first President whose campaign was assisted by Russia no matter who we elected in 2016. Goes to show how far our open-corruption style of government has gone down the rabbit hole. Regarding voter ID's, I'm in favor of them. If you don't have your shit together enough to have a valid government-issued ID to show when you need one - in a country where you need just such an ID for any alcohol or tobacco purchase, any encounter with police, or any financial transaction - I'd just as soon you kept your political opinions to yourself anyway.
No real desegregation occurred in this country until after the Civil Rights Act. I (laughingly) challenge you to find any 70-year-old black person who self-identifies as a "Baby Boomer." Black voters are black voters, they are reliably self-aware and are the cornerstone of the Democratic Party's base. Blacks and whites didn't start mixing on any substantial level until the Civil Rights Act of 1964 began what would be a decades-long process of national desegregation that is still ongoing. You can't hide the ugly truth by internet virtue-signaling half a century later, Flighty.Quote:
Originally Posted by filghy2
Interestingly, Trump's primary support base has already been dying off at an increasing rate over the past 20 years. https://www.politico.com/magazine/po...e-angus-deaton White Americans without a college degree are about the only group in any developed country whose death rates are increasing rather than falling. How ironic that they support people who are trying to take their health insurance away. I guess they can take solace in their guns, religion and fantasies about returning to a mythical golden age of white America.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick Danger
Attachment 1079073
When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.” “The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.” “The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master—that’s all.”Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick Danger
LEWIS CARROLL, Through the Looking-Glass
Funny, I don't see any mention of whiteness here or in any other definition I could find. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_boomers
Flighty, your fascination with uneducated white people surprises me. You're like the Jane Goodall of rednecks, living among them, studying them from a distance. You should film a documentary...oh, forgot, there's already a "People of Walmart."Quote:
Originally Posted by filghy2
I'm really not sure what point you're trying to make. Trump definitely got the uneducated white vote, along with the somewhat-educated white vote, and the highly-educated white vote, and the educated-enough-to-have-people-committed-to-institutions white vote. White people in general liked what Trump had to say about immigration, and America First, and Make America Great Again - that's speaking white people talk, and Trump can do it.
But so what? If white-people-problem solvers get voted into office, that must mean there are more disgruntled white people around than anyone else. It's a classic appeal to populism, executed perfectly at the exact right moment in history by a natural politician named Donald J. Trump.
A good evening to you, Flighty.
I'm simply highlighting the same point that virtually every analysis of the 2016 election has highlighted. You should try reading some of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick Danger
I'm not sure whether you don't understand basic logic or you are being disingenuous because you need to pretend to yourself that you never lose an argument. To explain the 2016 election you need to explain what changed between 2012 and 2016. Republican advantages that were similar to the previous elections cannot explain it. The biggest single thing that changed was the Republican margin among less educated white voters.
Also, you seem to be forgetting that Trump actually lost the popular vote decisively. He only won as a result of small margins in a few working class states that voted previously for Obama, again due to the shift among less educated whites.