i would just like to see his reasoning...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kramer
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i would just like to see his reasoning...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kramer
Reasoning, you want reasoning?? You racist! How dare you disagree with me and make good sense at the same time!! Im calling the revs!!! :lol:
oh no, not the:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kramer
One of the problems here in this thread and more importantly in AmeriKKKa is clearly stated in the 2nd paragraph of this sentence.Quote:
Originally Posted by THATSMISSJUNECUZYANASTY
"Racism and racist ideologies involve one group having the POWER to carry out systematic discrimination through the major institutions of society, By this definition only white people can be racist in our society because HONESTLY, only white people as a group have the power of true control throughout the major institutions of our society. "
First she clearly states that "white people have true control"...
Thats a racist stereotyping remark,and poster doesnt even get it.It would be the same as if I said "Blacks are violent" While both statements might have some basis in fact,dont you think instead of saying "WHITES" have the power,the more appropriate and def more accurate sentence would be that the group that has the power is the "financially elite"?!?
I might have black genes in my blood but I look like your standard Stone Cold clone,yet may I ask,by this rationale...where is my power...im white so surely i must wield power over the blacks somehow...dont I?Can I sign up for it,or perhaps I can buy this power at the all white supermarket "Power R' Us"?
And as to assertations that only whites by some twisted delusional perspective are the only race capable of racism...
I got news...some of the most hateful,racist people I've ever met have been folks of color,and I have heard several African Americans make the same claim.Racism is hate pure and simple and hate exists in all colors genders,religions, and socio-economic classes...and thats a fact.
When people who use the term "The Man" stop seeing things in terms of color and start seeing it for what it really is...Power,Influence,Cash then perhaps people can focus on the real issues.Cuz frankly "The Man" hasnt done shit for any folks I know in avery long time...regardless of color.
Whatcha think of them apples.
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Ted Haggard could be lurking at this very moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solitary Brother
I've caught up on the thread since last night. The "Imus incident" is the talk of boards of all interests. This isn't a race issue, but it's become one. And it is accelerating. It's a censorship issue. There is no FCC violation in this case nor would the government (not meaning elected officials or those running for office) weigh in on it, yet. But the tone of the nation could change that soon through the all too willing legislature.
If they do we loose our identity. We are no longer the land of the free. We are the land of the politically correct. A land that requires all their kids to wear helmets till the age of 18. A land where a discouraging word is never heard. A soon to be land of enuchs and lovely odors.
There is a young black comedian named Patrice O'Neal, who nailed this on the day after this incident became an incident. Everything Patrice said is coming to fruition, frighteningly. But he's young, dresses funny and nobody pays him no mind. But this kid is wise beyond his years. Search him on YouTube. He's been on a few shows since the incident.
Essentially, you will see all the conservatives now focusing on the rappers, and guess who will be joining them, Sharpton and Jackson. Why? To calm the race war they set in motion and to handle something which they always believed is a problem but never had the imputus to do anything about it.
From there, it goes on and on as an action generates a reaction. And broadcasters, entertainers, tv and movie personalities cower in their bunkers and spew forth ass kissing bather or say fuck it and get their heads chopped off when they speak their mind.
By the way, Patrice also pointed out he listened to the Imus tape over and over and clearly heard an "oh oh" as they were fading out in the break music. Indicating that Imus was ad-libbing and immediately knew he fucked up.
You ever see the end of "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" when the screechers are out on the street screeching and pointing. This is what we're becoming.
Do not censor talk! Not the guys on the right, the guys on the left, the shock jocks, the comedians, or the rappers. If you don't like the talk get up off your fat ass and change the channel. Don't ask the government, or the media to do it for you. You will be sorry if you do. Our Children will grow up with ipods in their ears and helmets on their heads and only watch and play video games....wait a minute, we're already there!
We have no more nightly news with "journalists" the nightly news has become another version of Insider Edition. Our national media is putting "The Enquirer, Star Magazine etc" out of business because they've sunk to their level.
Enough pontificating!
Legend, your like a yellow stained jock strap hanging on a clothes line blowing in the wind on the praire with a tag that says "Small-Medium"!
Actually, I do get EXACTLY what I had said... otherwise I would not have said it.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ_Asia
For the sake of space... I had only PARTIALLY identified racism....which is a FACTUAL thing prevelant IN THE WORLD.
Racism is different from racial prejudice, hatred and discrimination. Racism is an institution- a structure, system,policy or procedure in the good ole' U.S. which promotes ,reproduces, and perpetuates advantages for white people and the oppression of people of color.
Racism can be expressed in 3 ways: Culturally, (eg- thin, blonde white women are the basis for our society's standard of beauty) Institutionally,(eg- Televisions' underrepresentations /misrepresentations of people of color- BET (which ironically is a white owned corporation) and other channels which air "ethnic television" are ,few ,far inbetween , and are often inaccurate with their depictions of people of color.... no one can escape "white" culture or the depiction of white people on television, film, etc... because society is saturated with these depictions) and Personally (eg calling a person a racist name, assuming white people are inherently better, or making racist assumptions, like saying a person of color is "well spoken"... as if that is a rarity)
Many feel that racism is simply the third expression (personal) and overlook the other two aspects. Personal expression of racism is just a tip of the iceberg- just because someone doesn't "say" it doesn't mean they haven't fallen victim to it culturally and institutionally.
This statement would actually be a prejudiced statement, based not upon fact... but simply upon ideologies that are created from what system?...you got it! ...RacismQuote:
It would be the same as if I said "Blacks are violent"
As I had mentioned previously, the statement I said is factual, while your statement "blacks are violent" is prejudicedQuote:
While both statements might have some basis in fact,
No, no my dear.... your common misconception that the "financial elite" have true power in this country is what is called "The Bootstrap myth". The idea that "money is the only true power" and "it's a free country, so anyone who works hard can make it in America" Believing that race does not matter in a racist world is protecting privilege for people whom racism benefits (knowingly or unknowingly)Quote:
dont you think instead of saying "WHITES" have the power,the more appropriate and def more accurate sentence would be that the group that has the power is the "financially elite"?!?
Race itself is a POLITICAL CONSTRUCT... in other words, there is no such thing as race from a scientific or biological point of view.
The term "white" was constructed to unite certain European groups living in the U.S. who were fighting each other and at the same time were a numerical minority in comparison to the numbers of African slaves, Native peoples and other people of color in the country.
:lol: :lol: I love your mocking sarcasm on such a topic... escaping the seriousness of this is kind of typical, actually....and quite common when one realizes they identify with a group that oppresses others.Quote:
Can I sign up for it,or perhaps I can buy this power at the all white supermarket "Power R' Us"?
..."to be white in America is not to have to think about it" - Robert Terry
What claim? that people of color can't be racist? THAT'S A FACT... NOT A "CLAIM"... Racism can be INTERNALIZED by folks of color ... but because we have not CREATED the system of Racism, we can therefore not be "racists"Quote:
And as to assertations that only whites by some twisted delusional perspective are the only race capable of racism...
I got news...some of the most hateful,racist people I've ever met have been folks of color,and I have heard several African Americans make the same claim.
Why are YOU bring up the term "the man" ?Quote:
When people who use the term "The Man"
What relevance does the use of this term have in regards to what I wrote? Sugar... NOWHERE in my post did you see me write the term "The Man"
Ummm- I guess? :roll: I have supplied you with a breakdown of actual facts. And as I stated before, I realize that there is discomfort in realizing the truth, as no one wants to think of themselves as causing another pain ( Assuming best intentions) however, dismissing facts and eluding the truth does nothing for the fact that racism exists. It simply helps it roll right along.Quote:
Whatcha think of them apples.
So... yeah... I guess that means I don't EVEN SEE your apples, hun.
Youre response was well thought out and for that u are applauded,however you seem to be more concerned with semantics and labels then you are with dealing with the whole ball of wax.Regardless of how you prefer to label anti social behaviour and language based upon skin color it exists both ways and its not just a one way street.Quote:
Originally Posted by THATSMISSJUNECUZYANASTY
As far as the term "The Man" it has been raised a couple times in this thread and while you did not personally use it,it is a term I hear often.Personally I'd like to meet "the Man" perhaps dine with him and find out how I can get on his good side too.
If you dont see my perspective then thats unfortunate and is a microcosm as to why the pronlem in america exists to begin with.
Yeah O.K. I'm sure those times will be behind the safety of your computer or around your friends. Try this out for size. When you have the urge to say the "N word", go visit the local housing projects on the other side of town and say whenever, whatever the fuck you want. Then when I read about the the poor white guy, that got savagely assaulted or shot by some black thugs (classic media depiction), I'll really know the half.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac_Hine
Everyone's a tough guy sitting behind the computer!