The probability that a family member (most likely a child) will be shot by your firearm, is far greater than the probability that you'll ever use it to deflect a threat on you or your family's life.
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The probability that a family member (most likely a child) will be shot by your firearm, is far greater than the probability that you'll ever use it to deflect a threat on you or your family's life.
I think the reason you never really hear an explanation for the gun violence is that not knowing is better than knowing. I'm sure the cops who have to go out and clean up these messes will tell you there is a very large population of drunks, hotheads, and just plain fuck-ups out there, ....I mean, that explains it, they understand it, but the cops just want to try and forget about it. I lived in a few roachy apartments when I was young, but I knew eventually I'd be making enough money to get outta there. I had a reason to stick it out. Just turn on an episode of "COPS" .....these tragedies don't normally happen in a really nice house with kids who are going to College, they happen in shitthole trailers or motels or poor sections of town. Places where HOPE is not on the horizon.
Most people look at the "HAVE NOTS" and build a stronger fence around their house.
I can't talk about this problem seriously without offering up a solution, and I really don't think there will be one until a minimum wage lines up with a life with some dignity where you can afford to maintain a solid family, through the hard times. That will take much more change than some gun bill with no teeth.
Until then, hey, it could be better, it could be worse.
You used to have some good leaders in the States. What happened?
Difficult to believe Ike was a republican. He built the interstate highway system, warned against the industrial military complex and advocated a progressive tax structure. The GOP used to be a political party, now it's a front for a few wealthy, wannabe plutocrats who effectively exploit the prejudices and irrational fears of the ignorant. Oh, yes...humans who watch Fox News and Duck Dynasty tend to be stupendously ignorant.Quote:
You used to have some good leaders in the States. What happened?
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oh I bet you read alot of gordon wood. and you regurgitate it from the text book. and you think your wicked awesome doing that and how how about dem apples and all that gordon wood business
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Who's Gordon Wood? I know about "morning wood", I'm even well acknowledged with "evening weed", "Flash Gordon", "Flesh Gordon", but Gordon Wood... ? Nope.
does no one knows who gordon wood is?
Well, not I...
But I can tell you at what temperature Mr. Wood can be set ablaze...
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I'm affraid Gordon Wood doesn't have anything to do with statistics anyways, doesn't he?
Then again, it might be a matter of religion, and today, everything has religious rights...
...so says the Supreme Court of the Land, and Jezus...
Or a matter of psychology...?
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Fabulous logic!
It's all about the Constitution!!
"well regulated" means "well trained" if you read the papers of what the founding fathers said. maybe you should read what people write who disagree with you or who are actual historians. just a thought
1690 Lond. Gaz. No. 2568/3 We hear likewise that the French are in a great Allarm in Dauphine and Bresse, not having at present 1500 Men of regulated Troops on that side.
The project of disciplining all the militia of the United States is as futile as it would be injurious if it were capable of being carried into execution. A tolerable expertness in military movements is a business that requires time and practice. It is not a day, nor a week nor even a month, that will suffice for the attainment of it. To oblige the great body of the yeomanry and of the other classes of the citizens to be under arms for the purpose of going through military exercises and evolutions, as often as might be necessary to acquire the degree of perfection which would entitle them to the character of a well regulated militia, would be a real grievance to the people and a serious public inconvenience and loss.
Resolved , That this appointment be conferred on experienced and vigilant general officers, who are acquainted with whatever relates to the general economy, manoeuvres and discipline of a well regulated army.
--- Saturday, December 13, 1777.
all men between the ages of 15-45 were in the militia.
But they are not now ...so the guns should be banned. Simple
No matter what the statistics say, Americans are taxed taxed taxed. overt taxes covert taxes.
If you buy a big mac, fries, and coke you pay the taxes that Mickey Ds pays, you pay the taxes Coca-Cola pays, you pay the taxes the truckers pay, the potato farmers, the cattle farmer...not Mitt Romney...YOU!!!
And a ton of that cash goes to policing the world. Military Spending.
In the 1950s, Dad went to work 15 minutes away, Mom raised the kids.
In the Depression, we were broke. Stressful times. It is like a depression now, but they've learned how to manage it better, we work all day, get less.
All the Fox News Flagwavers think they are waving that flag for us, but they're really cheering on big business and big military. If you think of the United States as a UNION shop, our stewards are not doing a very good job. Americans are stressed because that's the way it's designed to be. If you drink fifteen cups of coffee a day, eventually you're going to shoot somebody.
can you source that? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Prospero
This isn't Israel, man, we dunt need no stinkin militia, the only people who are going to invade us are immigrants. Don't believe everything you read.Quote:
Originally Posted by I_made_linda_lovelace_gag
but you do need sources for things you say.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/311
a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
Sorry. But the unorganized militia are those eligible for induction. They do not serve any military function other than to stand ready for induction should their services be required. They are not expected to maintain arms, nor are they expected rise in revolt against the government when it passes a Healthcare bill or a minimum wage bill. The second amendment grants the right to bear arms because inductees into the regulated militia were expected to supply their own arms. This is clearly not the case today. We don't want ordinary civilians to have the armament of soldiers laying around in their basements and living rooms. The second amendment is an antiquated vestige of the days of blunderbusses, muskets and flintlocks.
Nothing wrong with the sport of hunting and target shooting, but carrying weapons around in the marketplace (whether they're in view or carried furtively) is stupid, hazardous and a danger to the public heath. Using a military style weapon as a crutch is kina stupid too ->
http://www.masslive.com/news/index.s..._while_us.html
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nice tangents.... can you ever stay on point?
the constitution is still law. just because you think a part is irrelevant doesnt change that.
no one said they were expected to maintain arms... but can
What's the point of carrying a gun unless you want to kill somebody.
I must admit that if Uncle Jed didn't carry heat, he never would have found that bubblin' crude......(oil, that is)
There are laws on the books that say you have to have somebody walking in front of your car fifty feet waving a lantern at night.
If some Chicago street gang calls themselves Militia, can they kill their enemies? Plenty of people kill somebody and get off on a technicality. That's the Law.
Anyway, it was legal for the US Military to kill 100,000 Iraqi civilians, but that doesn't make it right. Or good.
Linda, you and your buds have every right to walk around with guns, but if you ever accidently shoot somebody, you're gonna be introduced to a whole lotta laws. If you want to join a Militia, join up and go to Afghanistan. I think you know all this Militia talk is bullshit.
I am in the militia. every person between the ages of 17 and 45. so you dont like laws so we can take them away without going through the proper procedures? and why cant you people stay on topic
"If some Chicago street gang calls themselves Militia, can they kill their enemies? Plenty of people kill somebody and get off on a technicality. That's the Law."
stop talking about things you know nothing about. and they are militia did you see my source? i
Fetishist in love with guns appears under a new id. There are so many insane folk in your gun loving nation. It is a sick obsession.
how am I crazy? everything I have said I have proven. the anti-gun people go on tangents and never source anything they say
Yes crazy obsession with guns when you look at the body count in your nation. Too many guns in the hands of lunatics. It is a signal of insanity when archaic notions are more important than the lives of children. If the constitution genuinely confers such a right to let ant idiot own a gun the it is surely time for it to be amended. But the evil Gun lobby block all controls. Yes that insane.
No linda, you're making what is known as a category mistake: Chicago street gangs are not a militia. I'm over 17 and under 45 and I'm not in any of the well regulated militia to which the second amendment refers. Yes I'm in that subset of the population to which U.S. Code Section 311 refers, but that is not the well regulated militia referenced in the second amendment. Those militia no longer exist. If you want to find modern grounds for preserving the second amendment you'll have to look elsewhere...perhaps you can argue it establishes the equality of ammosexuals with other gender identities.
It's good that the gun people make their case, I'm a mental midget and lazy, so I'm not going to hire a lawyer to see if you are 100% correct, in fact I'm not even sure what you're saying, we were all in a Militia and didn't know it?
I would rather tangent off into 2014 than fixate on some Constitutional justification for digging machine guns. It sounds like when Dick Cheney's lawyers found the best justification for shooting someone in the face when you're drunk.
Linda Darling, you're already ahead. You're winning. Why complicate your case with some cherry you picked off the Sean Hannity tree?
If you made your point and nobody knows what the fuck you're talking about, please break it down and woo us over to your side. I'm not trying to be milittous, I've never even seen one of these Militias you're talking about. What do they look like? Where do they live?
Let me just post these statistics again... These are not compelling enough on their own??!
It would be nice. But I rather think it's an hysterical extreme right wing article. No one wants to seize all weapons in the US. No one has such power.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turlington
Spot on Dan. The right is so full of absurd paranoia. It is a shame though that is there is no such plan.
Speaking of “sourcing”…
Do you consider it relevant that the source you're quoting is a 325 year old British tabloid? Are you at all familiar with any of the legal or academic thinking on the topic of gun rights that has been undertaken in either the 20th or 21st centuries?Quote:
Originally Posted by I_made_linda_lovelace_gag
You're clearly capable of cutting-and-pasting a small part of it, but perhaps you could briefly summarize Hamilton's larger point in Federalist No. 29.Quote:
Originally Posted by I_made_linda_lovelace_gag
What relevance could this passage possibly have to anything? A narrow military staffing regulation that predates the U.S. Constitution? And yet you ask if your opponents can “stay on point?”Quote:
Originally Posted by I_made_linda_lovelace_gag
So in your view, you take the literal text of the Second Amendment, interpret that text solely through a definition written 120 years later in the Militia Act of 1903, and boom, done. That’s all you need to know.Quote:
Originally Posted by I_made_linda_lovelace_gag
You might consider, however, that there may be a few other pieces of legislation and some court decisions that are relevant to your argument. For instance, regarding your convenient conception of the “unorganized” militia, you might consult the Selective Service Act of 1917 or the Selective Training and Service Act of 1940, as a start.
You might also consider that numerous restrictions on private gun ownership have been found to be constitutional, despite your assertion that “everyone is in the militia.” The federal assault weapons ban survived several constitutional challenges, though it was never challenged on Second Amendment grounds. But numerous state-level assault weapons bans have survived Second Amendment challenges, most recently in New York earlier this year. Antonin Scalia, in the Supreme Court’s District of Columbia V. Heller decision, listed various types of firearms that could be banned from private ownership under the Second Amendment.
The Second Amendment does not guarantee you an unlimited right to possess firearms. You may think it does, but that’s only because you don’t know what you’re talking about.
i'm conflicted on the matter, as i'm very much for stricter gun control, especially with the recent influx of school shootings and such which seems to be more of a uniquely american problem. sure there is the breivik murder in norway among others, but the problem is highly reported on here in the u.s.
i mean lets get real, guns are not ever going to be banned. they're too integral to american culture, but there are too many people who fear "obama takin' muh guns away", and its absolutely ridiculous -- much like the anti-government sentiment that gun owners seem to carry as if their semi-automatic weapons are of any use against a government that has automated drone strikes and the most militarized police forces among first world countries.
arms manufacturing is part of the defense manufacturing industries, which is the largest and most highly profitable sectors in the u.s., among that is the amount of jobs that they fill with employees.
politically and historically, large defense contractors such as ratheon, boeing, northrop grumman, general electric, general dynamics, honeywell, westinghouse, dow chemical, etc, are republican in nature and are all large employers of engineers in the u.s., of which is only next to nursing in the highly in demand jobs that remain domestically as years and years of shipping jobs overseas thanks to people such as republican meg whitman. all while they prattle on about how illegals are taking jobs from americans, when it is them and their companies who willfully ship more and more jobs overseas for the bottomline.
we are so entrenched in militarisation that a vast majority of our modern advances have all come from defense spending, such as DARPA and the invention of the internet. this culture of death is much too large for any single person, or president, to halt -- and this is what makes it so uniquely american. no other empire in the world has held all seven seas in its possession, while being only being 300~ years old.
this system of how our country functions is downright despicable and morally unsound, but it is also comparably the most effective