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We may appear to entirely lack class, to some, but the U.S. is hardly classless.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamesb121
You're right, though- definitely a different definition than the one you're used to. Here class is conferred by action, or sometimes assumed with wealth, but rarely conferred by birth (as with a peership or rents and a landed title.)
I'm not insulting them, I just said it is the equivalent of trying to sugarcoat something that is bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by broncofan
you can love eating shit, and try to convince me it is good. and then tell me there is gourmet shit. and I will flat out tell you , there is no such thing as gourmet shit, it is all shit.
Same thing for escorts, in my opinion they're doing something degrading, demeaning and what i consider inhumane. Nothing is ever going to convince me that some are somehow "higher class" than their streetwalking counterparts. And I do know escorts in real life. And at no point do i think i'm hanging out with a "high class escort" or "lowly street walker", they're just friends and i treat them as such.
I'm glad you got my meaning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tapatio
The UK is obsessed with the class system - the U.S. work ethic (to my mind anyway) is king - work hard and achieve.
I know what you mean regards class by action however, surely it's a persons choice how to act and what to do, regardless of background and wealth.
Yeast eat sugar and excrete alcohol_sometimes the really good high class stuff.
I'm digging this iteration of GroobySteven.Quote:
Originally Posted by GroobySteven
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/att...1&d=1427151284Quote:
Originally Posted by jamesb121
In what way is the boy in this photo retarded? I am surprised that someone would use such an offensive photo to make so minor a point.
I hope your kids are born severely autistic and then die after being hugged to death by a full on turbo retard.
Mad yet?
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Originally Posted by Carlos Cain
Most people here in the U.S. try to pretend they're a lot better off then they really are. And a lot of working poor (and worse) who think they're temporarily embarrassed millionaires.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamesb121
Hard work is usually necessary for success, but nothing is guaranteed. A lot of hard working people live in poverty. A lot of college graduates flip burgers, or wait tables these days for minimum wage. It's sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamesb121
I don't get this at all. You're calling this work degrading, demeaning and dehumanizing when everyone agrees that this work has been around since the advent of man. Evidence, would in fact, lead one to think that it's a very human thing, especially for those who freely choose the profession.Quote:
Originally Posted by my my my!
But the big thing I don't get is that you're friends with escorts, and if I'm not mistaken, you make posts in various threads glorifying the beauty of some of these girls who are escorts. That seems like a huge disconnect for you.
And finally, the arguments about girls separating themselves into high class escorts and low class escorts is a huge straw man. Where is the evidence that escorts do indeed separate themselves thusly? And don't give me any bullshit anecdotal stories from 3 "girls" who you know. Give me the friggin statistical study where the high classers have separated themselves from their low class sisters.
OK had to pick some quotes from the thread and say my bit:
We do? I'm British and I don't think your sweeping generalization includes me.. perhaps you have been socially constructed to believe in a class system - seems pretty foolish to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamesb121
Really posting that image - you sir have no class.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamesb121
The fault with your opinion is that you are assuming that escorts who choose to do what they do give a shit about what you might think. You can think it is 'demeaning', 'degrading' and 'inhumane' whilst they can happily laugh at fools like you, count their hard-earned money and live the life that they want.Quote:
Originally Posted by my my my!
You can love being a moron and try to convince me it is good. Then tell me there are such things as gourmet morons. I will flat out tell you, there is no such thing as a gourmet moron, they are all morons (I corrected your grammar and punctuation because sometimes even morons need help).
Parts of your point are pretty fine, but seriously in the UK only the media are obsessed with the class system. The reality is there are the rich and the poor; the poor would much prefer to be rich. That's about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamesb121
I 100% agree, well like 99.9%. I can do without retard being repeated but making sure the idiots are told they are such works for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tapatio
Gamer girls are classy. Just saying.
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Originally Posted by Odelay
uhhhmm, where to start with you...
okay. Being friends with escorts, yet still hoping they would choose another profession is not in any way a contradiction. I don't understand, why you don't understand that...
Now, admiring beauty, has nothing to do with profession. There might be really attractive girls in an office, and really attractive girls that are escorts. so i simply don't understand why you even brought that up. when I look at pics on Hungangels, I'm not reading underneath the pic "escort" . to me, she's just a model, and could be in school or any other job. so , again, your point is completely useless to me.
The girls themselves separate into the "high class" thing, which is what this thread is all about. They somehow think they're better or "higher class" than their streetwalking counterparts. And to me, that is a ridiculous concept.
Just because prostitution has existed forever does not make it any less degrading, and i question anyone's voluntary reason for getting into it. Should they lose sleep over my concern? No, and neither should I. Your explanation of the world's oldest profession is like saying, ohhh, cancer is ok, you know, because it's existed forever , it's nice and cuddly now.
If prostitutes want to keep doing it, by all means they're free to make that idiotic (in my opinion) decision. And I think it's idiotic that they somehow think they're better (implied by calling themselves "high class") than a streetwalker (again, my opinion).
I'm not apologizing, it's my opinion, and yes, I do think escorting is bad/degrading/stupid and outright dangerous. And to go into it voluntarily, even more so.
I can understand how one might regard selling one’s body to be degrading. After all, it’s just a step away from someone else selling your body and that’s called slavery. But independent prostitutes do not sell their bodies, nor does anyone else. Like any other worker they merely sell a service.Quote:
Originally Posted by my my my!
It is not the service that demeans, but the judgement of others. Prostitution per se does not demean the practitioner anymore than collecting garbage demeans the sanitary worker; it is you who demeans prostitutes.
To make a public and judgmental distinction between the services provided by a sex worker and those provided by any other worker (a banker, a barber, a barista, a barrister, a body guard, a grocery bagger, a phlebotomist, a rumba instructor, a manure shoveler, a proctologist, a wine taster, massage therapist, a soldier, an astronaut etc.) is to make a display of your own sorry hangups. To make such judgmental distinctions here is both insulting and hypocritical.
To think that sex work for 100% willing practitioners of the trade is degrading, etc. means you think that something is inherently wrong with sex... that's like thinking there's something wrong with eating or taking a shit. I think someone had a weird uncle with grabby hands growing up, screwed up the poor guy's wiring.
I'm ok with YOU liking it. I don't like it FOR YOU, or for anyone else. Are you going to listen to me? No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamie French
there was no weird uncle. I just think it is degrading that something intimate like sex gets diluted into one night stands, prostitution encounters. I generally think sex with strangers and for money is not even really sex, it's just a veiled form of subjugation through low self esteem and self destruction.
If YOU want to do it, fine. If you want to shout from a soap box "im a whore and proud of it" , go right ahead. But don't think you're somehow better than a streetwalker, or less for that matter.
my my my... I find it absolutely hilarious that you are telling people who escort or sell a service related to sex that they're no better than a streetwalker, and yet you are attacking people for their choice of profession, which makes you trash, yourself. Honestly, you're a hypocrite.
As someone who grew up in wealth, I can absolutely assure you that money doesn't determine an individuals class. Neither does their profession, a persons character determines class and your character needs some serious work. You're entitled to a personal opinion. You aren't entitled to attack people because they don't share or agree with it.
Did Hallmark teach you about the birds and the bees? Jeezus, you're not a 13 year old girl are you? Sex is as intimate as the circumstances dictate, in much the same way a nice dinner with family members on a special occasion can in fact be an occasion in and of itself VS. going to a McDonalds drive through on your way to a prostitutes hotel room. If you treat every action like it's a 10 on the importance scale ALL THE TIME you're gonna wind up living a sad, frustrating life. You're gonna die angry. Sex can be every bit as empty and recreational as eating nachos at a bowling ally - and it's absolutely fine when it is. Pedistools are so 2005. We all stopped putting stuff on ours... come, join the rest of us humans. There's still some room over there, off to the side for newbies.
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Originally Posted by my my my!
i'm not attacking anyone, I just think it is sad that they do it. it's their prerogative.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skye
and yes, i think it is ridiculous that one person who sells their body, somehow thinks they're "high class" compared to someone who buys cheaper condoms and lives in a cheaper area. they're both doing the same demeaning/degrading thing (in my opinion) , so why is one better aka "high class" than the other one? they're both in a questionable, dangerous and downright idiotic (if voluntary) profession.
I agree that money or profession does not influence "class", I've been saying that all along. that a "high class" prostitute is no better nor worse than a street walker.
My character is fine as far as I'm concerned. You might think it needs work, as that is your opinion. Just like I have mine.
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Originally Posted by Skye
So thats not an attack on someone? That is the whole issue with this forum, its ok for the girls to say whatever they want and get away with it, but when someone reacts to it, it becomes almost blasphemy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamie French
So escorting isn't demeaning in any way at all to anyone? What about the wives and girlfriends of the clients? Not your problem though? They come to you, you don't go looking for them? Funnily enough I have heard a drug dealer use the same argument. I have also heard, its just a job from a few of my friends, but where does that line get drawn in the sand? Does a hitman tell you its just a job?
This whole argument has now become pointless anyway, a tug of war they will always win even when your right. Its like politicians, everyone knows politicians are corrupt, but your never going to get one who comes out and says yes, we are corrupt, we take bribes, we falsely claim expenses, we make promises that we never follow through on and we have had people murdered to further our own causes. Its futile.
It just sounds like he had a really bad experience with an escort. Maybe he got turned down. I suppose that could be embarrassing. While you're on the subject of attacking people for selling sex, I suppose you might as well add everyone who works in the porn industry to the list. Hey, let's add anyone who does any kind of modeling, since they're pretty much selling their bodies. If it sounds stupid, it's because it is. Why are you on a porn forum to begin with? lol.
By the way... I see girls held accountable just as much as guys.
Fuck off, I don't take married clients. I have more class than that.
Do your research. My stance on the married issue is well documented throughout this forum.
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Originally Posted by Carlos Cain
I'm here because I'm a glutton for punishment. I hate this shit, but Im amazed by some of the stuff that goes on. each and every time I think " nope, thats it, I couldn't be surprised any more" I get proven wrong.
Who said people from the porn industry were excluded? Porn is all fun and games, until you know someone who does it. Then you see the effects its has on their mother and their father. Thats a fun time when they find out ... yeah been there done that.
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Originally Posted by Jamie French
Nope - but you are banned.
Well if that is the case for yourself, then I at least respect that choice. That particular comment wasn't necessarily directed at you. I just happen to know someone who used that exact line of " I don't go looking for them, they come to me", the same girl who doesn't like poor arabs actually, yet describes herself as high class. Which disgusted me a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamie French
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Originally Posted by Carlos Cain
Oh you're not new to this forum are you? Another hater looking to get their warped point of view over? Who fucked you over? What was your last name? Who cares as you're 1 post away from a ban also ... or keeping around for amusement.
I think Jamie just getting banned shows that the above statement is false. I think this thread has gotten extremely heated, though. I don't really like the autistic comment. The family I buy my hay and straw from has an autistic son and he's a really amazing person.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carlos Cain
Ah hell... (Jamie here) I have 6 autistic people in my immediate family, (my aunt adopts troubled kids) I say what I say only because it pleases me to no end knowing that it bothers those insufferable over-sensitive types.
Maybe Mr.Steve will unban you if you apologize ^.^
You obviously don't know what a straw man is so you should probably just quit. You don't know much about how to make a cogent argument. You should stick with: "These are my opinions and by god I'm sticking to them!"Quote:
Originally Posted by my my my!
Seriously people, it isn't funny making fun of autistic people
http://kikfriender.com/profile/photo/55101d82a6c57.jpg
You're silly.
the way i think of a porn star, is that is a voluntary depiction of a sexual/intimate act. almost like fine art.Quote:
Originally Posted by RobynBlakeTS
just like in photography, if a girl gets photographed nude, does not automatically make her a porn star.
but to me , escorting/prostitution will never be "art". it is degrading, it is unregulated, it is dangerous and I honestly think it jades people and fucks with their psyche
so no, porn star does not equal prostitute. and for the record I am not against prostitution, however it baffles me why anyone would want to do it other than a last ditch effort to survive.
and to anyone suggesting i was raped, or turned down by an escort or anything of the such. no such thing. i just have compassion, and to me prostitution is bad, sorry.
My my my-
Would you feel the same if they advertised as "sexual surrogates"?
That's a real thing. Do you draw a distinction between that and prostitution?
I don't want much, man- give me a little.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTVx1crV6Ys
Behave yourself, its sex for money, exactly the same as prostitution and could even be considered worse given that at least prostitution is private and between 2 parties where as porn is out there for all and everyone to see. Surely by your standards that is more degrading that someone is having sex for money and then its being shown all over the internet.Quote:
Originally Posted by my my my!
In your opinion it is those things, only in your opinion on here.Quote:
Originally Posted by my my my!
Please, a porn star is a prostitute who films it lol they are getting paid to have sex with someone even if there is no physical or emotional attraction.Quote:
Originally Posted by my my my!
People do it for a number of reasons, some is out of desperation and their economic situation. Some do it for the thrill, some do it because they find it empowering and economically freeing. A lot of TS do it to fund their transition and also because they find themselves ostracized in society so do not have many options available to them self.
It reads as though you are trying to speak from some sort of moral high ground but I think you need to read some Nietzsche because morality isn't divine, its not carved in stone and doesn't exist.
Very nicely put , Robyn ..
Me, I go on chaturbate and like the idea of doing porn because i think it's fun. Sure, the money is nice, but its mostly the entertainment value that draws me in. Thankfully the government pays for my hormones and eventual srs. I also know a few escorts who do what they do because they like doing it. They weren't forced. If anyone should be criticized, it would be society for restricting options or at least making it more difficult, but this guy judging trans is just absurd.
I used to be against escorts , the only person that lost with that was myself, nobody really cares
the only person that cares is someone really rich that will heir 10 million dollars, if u escort then daddy will not give u a piece of the cake ... u will not see white people escorting in SOuth America for that reason... any other reason is bullshit
and anyone saying escorts are low class, u have robyn quoting Nietzsche, my my my! you are fucked...