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Babe,
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Robert Bingham summons UFOs to appear.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VesL8ReaQSI
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Babe,
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Thank you, very much. I hope by saying that, that you somehow feel better about yourself.
Please, tell me?...what else do you think I should believe in?
I would appreciate it, very much, if you would stop insulting me for NO valid reason, please.
Hi everybody else,
Don't believe in Ancient Aliens? Watch this I Dare You.
pt 1 of 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8IOhoF_jBM
part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhTRtczqgj0
part 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDITtbrFj80
part 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP0jJflKoDc
part 5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhvu4d7hzG8
part 6 of 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCEpDM1gWwA
Babe,
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You know how tough it is for me to ignore a dare.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dahlia Babe Ailhad
If you don't believe in evolution, then who made the aliens...and the aliens who made the aliens?
Oh Trisk,
You mean, you think aliens evolved from primates?
So, what you're saying is that, maybe, Darwin suggested that aliens evolved from primates?
Hmm, if primates can evolve into aliens, why are humans so far behind, then?
Wow!
I learn something new everyday?
Babe,
xoxo
That's easy. A third set of aliens. A group of aliens made aliens who made aliens.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
Hi Uncle Leo,Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Leo
Well, i suppose you should go and troll in that guy's youtube channel, then, because he's the one who wrote that challenge - not me.
I just copied it because it's part of those videos.
I bet you she's not saying that. I bet she's saying that extra-terrestrial beings evolved from simpler extra-terrestrial beings, in the same way that speciation on planet Earth took place, but with different selective pressures. But we'll see her response.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dahlia Babe Ailhad
I forgot to sign off-the amazing kreskin
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Babe,
xoxo
I see, it's aliens...all the way down.Quote:
Originally Posted by broncofan
Babe, why don't YOU answer the question instead of passing the buck to some long and boring YouTube? (You're a bit like Ben that way) You're a real person right here in this thread who claims not to believe in evolution; why not test your assumptions and interact personally?
Is it the whole concept (of evolution) with which you disagree (speciation through natural selection and random mutation) or is it just Darwin's account of human origins with which you disagree ('cause we absolutely know we have alien origins)? If the latter, did the aliens evolve or did they have alien origins too? How far back can you go with this alien origins idea?
Bronco interprets my question correctly when he writesQuote:
I bet she's saying that extra-terrestrial beings evolved from simpler extra-terrestrial beings, in the same way that speciation on planet Earth took place, but with different selective pressures.
Hi Trisk,
I see! So on the topic of Darwin's Theory of Evolution, which i rejected, you asked me:
"If you don't believe in evolution, then who made the aliens...and the aliens who made the aliens?"
And Bronco (Uncle Leo who is AKA The Amazing Kreskin) interpreted your question, correctly?...when he tried to save you by saying:
"I bet she's saying that extra-terrestrial beings evolved from simpler extra-terrestrial beings, in the same way that speciation on planet Earth took place, but with different selective pressures."
That would be a whole different "ball game" played on a whole different "baseball diamond" on a "different planet" where "aliens live and evolve".
But wait a minute...you don't believe in aliens! lol Hmmm. Or do you? Hmm. lol
Nonetheless, even if you did believe in aliens, Darwin's theory wouldn't apply to aliens. I don't think Darwin's theory involved aliens because he based his theory of evolution on primates evolving into humans.
Maybe...there WAS an evolution theorist with a name like, oh i dunno, say..."Commander Vil Villiont Torno" from a very far off planet who once theorized that his alien race evolved from a primitive lower form of alien species from THEIR alien planet. That would make it, more like, the famous Vil Villiont Torno's Theory of Alien Evolution, wouldn't it, now?
After all, if aliens genetically modified the genes of Earth's primates to look like the aliens in their alien image and likeness, to serve as an inferior race of alien/primate hybrid, why would a superior alien race use one of Earth's primates to build an alien race superior to humans but still VERY inferior to their own genetic DNA?
That would mean aliens would become like primates.
No! Darwin's theory of primate-to-human-evolution is being discussed here, no such topic of "Darwin's theory of alien-to-earth-primate to become an alien race" should be even mentioned. Geezus!!
I feel like i am in a wrestling ring and you two are like a tag-team, two against only me. When one of you slips up, the other one suggests a way to get the foot out of your mouths. lol
Admit it, aliens exist! Period!
Why would sexy trish even mention aliens' evolution just after i said i rejected Darwin's theory? Darwin 'was an earthing, not an alien. AND he was not even THINKING about aliens when concluding his theory of evolution.
You two could not have POSSIBLY watched an hour-long video series in less than ten minutes but you still come to debate with me the facts i present. I strongly sense that you two just love a good debate without even looking to the stuff i post.
My former Jewish boss used to have a name for that - when the rabbis would debate a topic and debate it to death lol like a battle of wits, where the one who gave up, having nothing left to say, lost the debate.
It was fun. I liked it.
I forget the correct Jewish term she used to call it. It's what the rabbis do when they discuss the Jewish Bible, Mishnah, Talmud and add their own commentaries.
It was long ago i was just a teen, at the time.
Annnnnywayyyyyy. Perhaps we WERE evolving into humans from primates, but there is still that HUUUUUGE jump of brain power where early man started to really think...which was when the Anunnaki began genetically modifying whichever early stage of human-like creature it was at that time, in order to create a slave worker who was smart enough to take orders but still VERY inferior to the master's intelligence.
AND THAT is where Darwin's theory gets lost in the genetic pool.
That is what i meant when i said i disagree with Darwin's theory of evolution.
If the Anunnaki hadn't have stepped in, we might still be living in the open fields under and in tree-tops and not in caves, making fire.
So where we ended up as humans was not due the evolution process as much as it was because of a Divine intervention.
Does the book of Genesis not mention the story of the creation of Adam and Eve?...or did i miss the verses where Darwin's name was mentioned?
Now, you know what i meant when i rejected Darwin's theory even though i said, "I don't believe - at all."
Let's not :deadhorse
Babe,
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All extant species are the product of evolution, not just primates. Natural selection operates even before species branch into other species that are incapable of breeding with one another. So even the simplest prokaryotic organisms undergo changes in gene frequency across generations, the only pre-requisite to this being different rates of reproductive success among members. There's no reason to believe that IF there is life on other planets, they do not have units of inheritance such as genes that are represented to different degrees based on reproductive success.
There are a bunch of issues we're conflating. It is different to say there might be life on other planets than it is to say that we know there is life on other planets, that life is intelligent, has the technological capability to visit other planets and has visited ours. I hate to put words in her mouth, but I think it's clear she was not talking about a confirmed alien species. She was asking you what you thought the origins of these various alien species would be if they exist.
Edit: I will stop answering for Trish since she is more than capable of answering for herself. I did this when you misunderstood Fred that one time and it annoyed you but I am trying to clear up a misunderstanding...I hate misunderstandings:)
Hi everybody,
Meet The Amazing Kreskin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhaN0lz1Ces
Babe,
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I was pretty good that day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dahlia Babe Ailhad
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Or we could dare you to confront the fantasy concocted by 'Klaus Dona' to sell books -in the section of his video on the 'genetic disk' he even distorts what he was told by one of the real experts he consulted in dating the disk, thus the mineralogist at the Natural History Museum in Vienna, Dr Vera Hammer stated:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dahlia Babe Ailhad
I was asked in the year 2001 by Mr. Klaus Dona, who curated the exhibition “Unsolved Mysteries” in the same year in Vienna, to make XRD analyses of some of the exhibited objects. Most of the objects include new materials and I told him that this were fakes, but this is not what he wants to hear… Even other scientists from our Museum told the owners of the objects, and Mr. Klaus Dona, that all that stuff is not what they believed. Some of the exhibited objects were curiosities by the nature, others man made new stuff which you can buy in any touristic shop in that areas. But anyway, our comment about the so called „genetic disc“ was only that it consists of feldspar, quartz and mica, which was proved by XRD measurement. My former director who was petrologist said, that this rock could be lydite (a grey to black fine grained schist) or an artificial product made of this minerals. I never classified the disk or any other of these objects to a special cultural period or give any statement of age, which in fact are not part of my competence. So, this was the only information we gave, not more! All interpretation of symbols and signs, age or anything else arise in the head of the owner and/or the curator of the exhibition! There was no author given in the catalogue about “Unsolved Mysteries”, so in fact, I don’t know who writes all that nonsense!”
Dr. Hammer’s statement pretty much concludes this whole thing. The one and only official researcher who is mentioned as having studied the Disk tells us it is a fake.
You can read more about the 'spiritual archaeologist' called Klaus Dona who has no known researchers, covers up his sources but really wants you to buy his books, here (scroll down for 'The Genetic Disk):
http://archyfantasies.com/category/weird-archaeology/
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You do? I can’t testify to that. But to get back on track, I was just asking a question. If you don’t believe the various alien species of whom you speak are the product of natural selection operating (perhaps in an alien environment) through a noisy reproductive channel on inheritable traits (i.e. evolution), then you may have thought of another explanation for extraterrestrial speciation. Since you claim extraterrestrials are responsible for the terrestrial species known as homo sapiens, it occurred to me you might be thinking some other species of extraterrestrials are responsible for the existence of the alien species that are responsible for us. So, is that what you’re thinking?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dahlia Babe Ailhad
Darwin’s first book was called The Origin of Species. Bronco in a previous post gave a accurate and concise description of how it works. In The Origin of Species Darwin reminds us that the various breeds of domestic animals (the manmade breeds of dairy cows, cattle, sheep, dogs, pigeons etc ) have been artificially produced by a deliberate selective process. He suggested that in the wild, nature selects for those inheritable traits that benefit the breed’s survival. Those divergent populations that came from the same stock but no longer breed with each other because of geographical, behavioral or reproductive barriers can sometimes be regarded as distinct species. This is what is known among biologists as Darwinian evolution.Quote:
Nonetheless, even if you did believe in aliens, Darwin's theory wouldn't apply to aliens. I don't think Darwin's theory involved aliens because he based his theory of evolution on primates evolving into humans.
Darwin’s second book was The Descent of Man, which presents in minute detail the evidence that was available at the time for the case that homo sapiens was similarly produced by natural selection.
These can be regarded as two distinct theories. Although it’s unlikely, someone might accept Darwin’s theory as a reasonable account of most terrestrial speciation, but exempt other species claiming for them artificial causes. So even though you think homo-sapiens are not the product of natural selection, you might endorse the greater part of Darwin’s Origin of Species. I’m curious if that describes your position (I think from what you say later in the above post it does), or are you scraping evolution entirely?
One should be careful not to construe evolution as a theory of the origin of life. That is an entirely different issue. Most biologists are inclined to look for the origin of terrestrial life in the thermodynamics and chemistry of Earth’s early oceans and terrain. There is no consensus on how specifically this would have worked. Some, but a very few, think life on Earth had extraterrestrial origins: perhaps dormant, microscopic seeds drifted through space or hitched a ride inside a meteor that was kicked up off the surface of Mars or another planet by a collision with an asteroid. But the theory of interplanetary panspermia doesn’t really solve the problem of life’s ultimate origin, it just kicks that problem of origins back to a prior origin.
If there is extraterrestrial life (and I think likely there is) one would like to know its ultimate origin? My guess is life in the universe has multiple origins. Complex molecules, eddies and currents etc. form whenever there are enduring energy fluxes (the flux of energy streaming across the solar system from the sun, the flux of energy that propagates across the accretion disc of a quasar etc.). The longer the river of energy flows (the Sun has been shining for about 4.5 billion years) the more complex the phenomena that thrive within the stream-–checkout, for example, the spontaneous formation of Bernard cells and other chaotic phenomena. Once self-reproducing molecules (or other self-reproducing phenomena appear) natural selection has something on which it can operate.
In any case, even though Darwin never speculated in print about extraterrestrial life and speciation on other planets, it’s easy to see that if there is life on other planets and if it reproduces, then natural selection would have carved it into various species which are identifiable by their particular adaptive, inheritable traits. That’s Darwinian evolution.
I don’t doubt that if there is somewhere in the universe lifeforms intelligent that think about their origins, they may have come up with a theory of speciation by natural selection acting on units of inheritance. You’re right: it probably doesn’t bare Darwin’s name. But the theory by any other name would function just a well. There might be another planet home to a transplanted species that completely forgot their origins. They might find out when they discover that no other animal species on their planet shares any of reproductive code. We, on the other hand, have genes that fit very well within the genealogical tree of terrestrial life.Quote:
Maybe...there WAS an evolution theorist with a name like, oh i dunno, say..."Commander Vil Villiont Torno" from a very far off planet who once theorized that his alien race evolved from a primitive lower form of alien species from THEIR alien planet. That would make it, more like, the famous Vil Villiont Torno's Theory of Alien Evolution, wouldn't it, now?
That would be silly, but I don’t need to defend it because this scenario is not a logical consequence of my claims.Quote:
After all, if aliens genetically modified the genes of Earth's primates to look like the aliens in their alien image and likeness, to serve as an inferior race of alien/primate hybrid, why would a superior alien race use one of Earth's primates to build an alien race superior to humans but still VERY inferior to their own genetic DNA?
I don’t recall Bronco making any slips. Nor do I don’t recall bronco stepping in to repair any of my arguments. But if a flawed argument were presented, say by me and then repaired by Bronco, wouldn’t it in the end be a good argument? We’re not playing a game of Gotchya, we’re trying to present valid criticisms and put forward reasonable propositions.Quote:
I feel like i am in a wrestling ring and you two are like a tag-team, two against only me. When one of you slips up, the other one suggests a way to get the foot out of your mouths. lol
A few posts before this, (it may have been in a response to Fred) I gave my opinion that it is very likely this universe is home to extraterrestrial life. I even expressed the opinion that it may in places take forms very unlike what we expect.Quote:
Admit it, aliens exist! Period!
So you don’t disbelieve in Darwinian evolution. We’re not so far apart after all. At the risk of putting words in your mouth (correct me if I’m wrong) you seems to think it likely that most terrestrial species evolved from prior populations through the action of natural selection––but you think aliens interfered with that process in the case of homo-sapiens. Out of curiosity, do you think the species of alien who interfered with us, are themselves the product of natural selection acting within the environment of their origins?Quote:
Perhaps we WERE evolving into humans from primates, but there is still that HUUUUUGE jump of brain power where early man started to really think...which was when the Anunnaki began genetically modifying whichever early stage of human-like creature it was at that time, in order to create a slave worker who was smart enough to take orders but still VERY inferior to the master's intelligence.
AND THAT is where Darwin's theory gets lost in the genetic pool.
That is what i meant when i said i disagree with Darwin's theory of evolution.
I agree, the Book of Genesis doesn't lend a lot of support to Darwin. It is a curious book. The Book of Genesis, as it survives, relates two literally contradictory stories of Adam and Eve. One where Eve was formed from Adams rib after the animals were created and another where Adam and Eve were created together (not one from the other) before the animals were created. As it stands, Genesis doesn't lend a lot support to anybody’s particular theory of human origins.Quote:
Does the book of Genesis not mention the story of the creation of Adam and Eve?...or did i miss the verses where Darwin's name was mentioned?
Are there other life forms in the universe (let’s not use the term “alien”)? Most likely given the sheer size of the universe and its age.
Will such life forms be carbon based as on Earth? Again most likely, as very few elements can contribute to complex specialised molecules. Silicon-based life is also possible as at appropriate high temperatures and pressures, silicates can be quite complex and possess some functionality.
Will their planets be like Earth – oxygen-rich atmosphere, reasonable temperatures, etc, plenty of available water? Most probably, as quite a few basic properties of elements and atomic structure have to satisfied for complex systems to evolve.
Will such like forms evolve through Darwinian processes? What other alternative is there, except the random mutations in some heredity code that enhances survival? So, I suppose, we can assume that any advanced life form out there will be stuck in the mire of sex and all its hang-ups!
Should we go looking for them or advertise our presence? I would recommend caution.
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You really don’t understand that the scientific community isn’t a unified group of people all nodding sagely and agreeing on the same theories, then the rest blindly following. There are the same rivalries, competition and arguments as there are in any walk of life.
Scientific and technological development is based on challenging accepted theories and dogmas. If that didn’t happen then we would all still be living with Stone Age technology because “that’s the way it’s always been done”. Then, we would never have discovered electricity, computers wouldn’t exist and worst of all for you, there would be no internet and therefore, no youtube! How would you survive…
The big difference between scientific theories and conspiracy theories is that in order to be published, science has to go through a rigorous peer review process to determine its accuracy. I’ve been involved on both sides of the coin and it isn't easy getting publications accepted. Even after publication, they are still open to revision if new evidence comes to light. For conspiracy theories there’s no such filtering process and the two main criteria are simple, is it entertaining and the most important one, already alluded to by others, will it make money for me?
Yes I believe Darwin’s theories. They may not be perfect (nothing is) but they’ve been independently verified by a huge number of separate studies since their original publication and have survived many attempts to discredit them.
Like others on this thread, I believe that, given the immense size of the universe (not to mention the theory that there might be multiple universes other than our own) there’s a good chance that life does exist elsewhere. What form it could take, I have no idea. What I don’t believe is that they have ever visited Earth and the idea that one “has had tea with the President” is quite frankly ludicrous and laughable.
To see images, click on the link
http://www.openminds.tv/phil-schneid...et-claims/9982
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Posted by: Michael Schratt June 1, 2011
Michael Schratt (military aerospace historian) has lectured across the country on the subject of "Mystery Aircraft", and classified propulsion systems buried deep within the military industrial complex. A recent guest speaker at the “OSHKOSH” AirVenture 2006/2007 event, (the world’s largest air show), Michael has developed a number of contacts who have had first hand experience dealing with classified “black programs”, including former USAF pilots, retired Naval personnel and aerospace engineers who have maintained a TOP SECRET Q “MAJIC” clearance. A private pilot and military aerospace historian, he currently works as an aerospace draftsman/researcher near Tempe AZ.
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Phil Schneider’s incredible ET claims
Among the most controversial figures in the field of ufology, is Phil Schneider (government Geologist/structural engineer). Phil appeared on the lecture circuit in May of 1995, and his talking points included: UFO’s, Aliens, One World Government, The New World Order, Black Budgets, Deep Underground Military Bases (DUMB’s), and stealth technology. Seven months later, he was found dead in his Portland apartment on January 17, 1996 after an apparent “suicide”. The circumstances surrounding his death remain highly suspicious, and the incompetent efforts by both police and medical examiners cry out for justice. Did Phil Schneider really take his own life? Was foul play involved? Did “the powers that be” silence Phil out of fear that he was revealing too many “skeletons” in the government/defense contractor closet? Plans for a “tell-all” book revealing the “horrible truth” never materialized, and essentially all of Philip’s evidence which consisted of lecture material, “alien” metals, higher math books, photos, and an original manuscript were stolen after his death. If the incredible claims made by Phil Schneider eventually turn out to be accurate, this devoted patriot should be honored for his dedicated service to mankind. This article will endeavor to present a skeptical but fair review of the life and background of Phil Schneider, as well as his more controversial lecture talking points.
Philip Schneider was born on April 23, 1947 at Bethesda Naval Hospital. His father Oscar Otto Schneider was a Captain in the U.S. Navy. He eventually met his wife (Cynthia Drayer) in 1986, and was married in Carson City Nevada. They had one daughter (Marie), and were divorced in 1990. Regarding his career and background, Phil claimed that he was employed by the Lockheed “Skunk Works” in Burbank California, and that he worked on the SR-71. He also stated that he worked as a Government geologist (specifically for NATO), and that he had seventeen years of experience involved with black projects. He held a Level 3 (Rhyolite 38 ) security clearance. Having such a high level of clearance, Phil was authorized to report directly to one of three individuals: The President of the United States, Director of the CIA, and the associated base commander where he was employed. Between 1977 and 1981, he worked for Morrison-Knudsen (DOD construction contractor). Concurrently, between 1978 and 1981, Phil worked directly for the Department of the Navy, Office of Naval Intelligence. He spent months at Area 51, and was known as an “interpreter” for a “guest” of the government, which turned out to be a reptilian alien. Phil’s work on Deep Underground Military Bases (DUMB’s) took him to Russia, Vietnam, New Guinea, and Saudi Arabia. His work involved the boring of deep shafts (from one to three miles) into the earth, and to analyze the rock structure for the purpose of building underground facilities. He had become an expert in his field. These cavernous spaces were created by exploding shape charges in porous rock, which would essentially “blow the room into existence”. He had also done some photographic work for the military.
Throughout his lecture tours across America, Phil stated that his father Oscar was involved with both the Philadelphia Experiment, and Operations Crossroads. Oscar had been a Captain in the Navy, and served as a medical doctor. He also stated that his father made a death-bed confession indicating that he was a U-boat Captain in Germany during World War II. Extensive research by historians has been unable to link the name Oscar Schneider to any fleet associated with the Third Reich. The Philadelphia Experiment dealt with the feasibility of making U.S. Navy warships invisible to enemy radar. Documents saved by Phil’s ex-wife indicate that Oscar Schneider had a “COSMIC” security clearance, and that he participated in the autopsy of the crew members of the U.S.S. Eldridge (DE-173). During his marriage to Cynthia Drayer, Phil claimed that the military industrial complex had succeeded in miniaturizing some of the technology associated with the Philadelphia Experiment which could make a soldier disappear. This led to a portable device that could be worn on a person’s belt. Operation Crossroads was a series of nuclear weapons tests conducted at Bikini Atoll during the summer of 1946. Claims by Phil Schneider that the Bikini Atoll tests were a cover for a much more sinister TOP SECRET program have never been independently verified. According to Schneider, Bikini Atoll was bombed due to the existence of a massive underwater alien saucer base. Apparently, up to 500,000 saucers were destroyed in the “test”. Photos of alleged “UFO’s” departing the area at tremendous speeds at the precise time of detonation mysteriously vanished after his death.
It was after the murder of Phil’s friend Ron Rummell, and death of his father (Oscar Schneider) in 1993 that he became galvanized to speak out on government black projects, the alien agenda, and the devious plans of the New World Order. By the end of 1995, he had numerous attempts on his life. One attempt included the partial sawing off of the lug-nuts on his Ford Taurus. This caused one of the wheels to fly off its axle, resulting in the vehicle flipping over and hitting the guard-rail. Undeterred, Phil routinely alerted audiences at his lectures that he was breaking the law by discussing classified information, and was in breach of his national security oath. Disgusted with the fraud, waste, and abuse associated with his employment in black projects, Phil cut up his ID badge, and mailed it back to his employer. He regularly opened his presentations with the words: “I love my country more than I love my life”. On display at Phil’s various lectures were alleged samples of “alien” metals, and photos taken by his father depicting UFO’s departing the area of an atomic bomb test. Phil was a true “nuts-and-bolts” engineer type who was fascinated by stealth technology, and mineralogy. He also held a deep interest in with the work of Nikola Tesla with respect to time variance mathematical equations.
Essentially, Phil Schneider’s material can be broken down into six distinct points:
1. The Black Budget
2. Deep underground Military Bases (DUMB’s)
3. The “Dulce Wars”
4. Advanced aircraft and Stealth Technology
5. The “Alien Agenda”
6. The New World Order (Global conspiracy to create a One World Government)
The Black Budget
According to Phil Schneider, for every year that goes by in the “white world” (defined as the world the general public lives in), forty-four years of research and development progresses in the so called “black world”. For example, if we take the date of 1947 (formation of the CIA, and alleged “alien” UFO crash at Roswell NM), this would mean that by 2011, defense contractors would have already made 2,816 years of progress with respect to cutting edge weapons research and advanced aerospace technology. Indeed, if this is the case, the general public is truly living in a “dream-world”, still forced to utilize antiquated internal combustion engines, and liquid rockets. Phil also stated that the military’s Black Budget is $508 Billion dollars per year, which is equivalent to eleven tons of one dollar bills.
Deep Underground Military Bases (DUMB’s)
During his lectures, Phil stated that there were at least 131 Deep Underground Military Bases (DUMB’s) which have been built in the United States since 1947. In fact, according to Phil, the United States has been building underground bases day and night unceasingly since the 1940’s. By late 1995, according to Phil, there were 1,477 (DUMB’s) throughout the world. Phil also mentioned that there were approximately three DUMB’s per state, and that the cost of each facility was between seventeen and twenty-six billion dollars. Many of these bases are over one mile deep, and have over four cubic miles of material removed. According to Phil, the bases are connected via a tunnel system that incorporates high speed mono-rail magneto “levaton” trains. In fact, according to a Los Angeles Times article dated June 11, 1972 the Rand Corporation has developed a tube-shuttle system that could take passengers and cars from New York to Los Angeles in a half an hour at speeds up to 10,000 mph. The tunnels are created using nuclear powered laser drilling machines that can make up to seven miles of progress per day (see U.S. Patent 3,881,777 above issued May 6, 1975). The reality of a massive underground tunnel system is further supported by the ground breaking research of author Richard Sauder in his book Underground Bases and Tunnels. As Phil points out, the total number of DUMB’s does not match the total number of government officials that would need to be evacuated in case of a national emergency. This indicates that these underground facilities are being utilized for another purpose. According to Phil, sixty-two of these bases are used for housing short and tall “grays”, along with extraterrestrial craft.
The “Dulce Wars”
During August of 1979, Phil Schneider (government geologist, Skunk Works engineer and black ops contractor) was commissioned to take part in a deep drilling operation at Dulce NM. During the sinking of the initial four shafts, it became clear that many of the lasers and mechanical components of the tunnel boring machine (TBM) were coming up broken. Mr. Schneider and a number of other geologists were elected to travel down the shaft via a basket to determine what the problem was. Upon arriving at the bottom of the shaft (which was 2-1/2 miles deep), a “horrible” discovery was made. It became immediately apparent that they had broken through into a large cavern that was infested with aliens. The creatures were described as a type 1 seven foot tall “grey”. Mr. Schneider was able to kill two of the creatures but was hit by a light green Cobalt radiation beam that was fired by one of the aliens. Badly injured and burned, but still alive, Phil was placed in the elevator basket and began the long trip to the surface, while an intense fire-fight continued to rage in the cavern below. In the commotion, a total of 66 secret service agents along with members of the FBI and black berets were struck and killed by the aliens. Phil was one of only three survivors of the event. This alleged confrontation has come to be known as the as the “Dulce Wars”.
Advanced Aircraft and Stealth Technology
Regarding TOP SECRET stealth aircraft, Phil Schneider made a number of absolutely incredible claims. Some of these claims appear to be inconsistent with the findings of established and well respected aerospace publications such as Janes Defense Weekly, and Aviation Week Technology. According to Phil, 157 F-117A Stealth Fighters were built which used LIDAR (Light Detection and Ranging), and CEIR (Computer Enhanced Imaging Radar), that has a resolution of one inch to 30,000 miles. Phil also stated that the remaining ninety-eight Stealth Fighters were signed over to the United Nations. At least two of these statements are completely false. Internal Lockheed (Burbank) records indicate that a grand total of fifty-nine F-117A Stealth Fighters were built, with the last one being delivered in the summer of 1990.
After retirement on April 22, 2008 a few aircraft were donated to museums, one was scrapped, and the remaining airframes were put into permanent flyable storage at TTR (Tonopah Test Range) in Nevada (see above photo). There is absolutely no record of any secret squadron of Stealth Fighters which were handed over to the U.N. In addition, Phil stated that the F-117A included as its arsenal, rockets, four large bombs, cruise missiles, cannon fire, and provisions for a second crew member in the nose. Each one of these statements is categorically false. The Stealth Fighter never had provisions for “hard points” which would facilitate in the launching of rockets. These attachment points would increase the RCS (Radar Cross Section) of the aircraft, thereby defeating its original intended purpose of evading enemy radar. The bomb bay in the F-117A was specifically designed to carry only two bombs (GBU-10 Paveway II laser guided). There simply is not enough room to carry four, let alone a significantly larger cruise missile. Phil’s statement that the F-117A incorporates provisions for a second crewmember is totally false. With all the room being taken up by the pilot, avionics, weapons, hydraulics, and the laser target designator, there is simply no space left for a second seat.
In addition, Schneider claimed that the F-117A was the first aircraft to utilize a special helmet worn by the pilot which incorporated “Psycho-energetic range finding technology”. This technology Schneider states was copied from the Russians. Essentially, the pilot thinks in his own language, which automatically arms his weapons. This statement is false. The helmets worn by Stealth Fighter pilots are standard issue USAF equipment. Lockheed was quick to realize that “re-inventing the wheel” would significantly increase the overall cost of the F-117 program. Therefore, pre-existing off the shelf components were used throughout the aircraft. A Forward looking Infrared (FLIR) system built by Texas Instruments was used for low level navigation and weapons aiming. This was used in conjunction with a color Multi-Function Display (MFD) manufactured by Honeywell. No “wizz-bang” techno helmets here.
In a few of his lectures, Phil claimed that the coatings on the F-117A glow red hot after each mission, and that they drip off (referred to as “Aurora drops”). Phil also stated that there is a “secret periodic table of elements”, and that the skins of the F-117 were made from Element 123 aka Unbitium (Ubt). However, it is known that the structure of the F-117A is primarily built out of aluminum with a few engine/exhaust components made from Titanium. The exterior skin the F-117A is comprised of RAM (Radar Absorbent Material). Originally, this material was applied to the structure of the Stealth Fighter by way of large flexible sheets. Later on, the process was fully automated, and computer controlled spray nozzles were used. The exact composition of this material remains classified. However, it is known that RAM partially consists of thousands of tiny iron ferrite balls which help to absorb radar. Therefore, since the exact composition of RAM remains a closely guarded secret, there may be a sliver of truth in Phil’s statement regarding Element 123.
Another unsubstantiated claim made by Phil is that a material known as “Mirranite” is used in the construction of stealth aircraft. Phil also stated that both the F-117A and Northrop B-2 Stealth Bomber incorporate “alien metals” beyond Element 109. A search of the known periodic table of Elements yielded no such “Mirranite”. Also, it is well known that Carbon Fiber composites were used extensively in the building of the B-2. Phil states that the jet engines which power the Stealth Fighter use a nuclear reactor for high altitude flight. This seems totally absurd due to the fact that the F-117 is known to use two off-the-shelf General Electric F404-F1D2 turbo-fan engines. This is the same power-plant which is used on the F/A-18 Hornet. Down-sizing a nuclear reactor to fit inside the fuselage of such a small aircraft would be hard enough, not to mention radiation shielding issues, and contaminated radioactive nuclear fall-out material which would have exited the elongated exhaust ports.
According to Phil Schneider, the so called “guardians of stealth” are known as the MJTF (Military Joint Tactical Force). This consists of three groups of “Black Berets”/Delta Force teams. Since this cannot be independently verified, Phil’s claim regarding the authenticity of the MJTF must remain open to further examination. Multiple times during his lectures, Phil dropped the following two bombshells: 1) There are twenty-nine prototypes of stealth aircraft under development by the United States. 2) There have been two space shuttle prototypes built which can exceed 40,000 mph. Keeping in mind the billions spent on the military’s black budget, these two points seem feasible. Lockheed Martin and McDonnell Douglass (now Boeing) had multiple classified follow-on shuttle concepts which may have been funded in the early years of the Reagan administration. Schneider also claimed knowledge that “secret space shuttle missions” are flown once a week for the purpose of machining alien hybrid metals (scalenohedronel crystalline) into ingot and bar form. Once back on earth, the material is heated up (white hot), and rolled into very thin paper sheets which are used on the skins of various stealth aircraft. This seems unlikely unless a “secret space program” flew missions which were launched from Nevada’s secretive Area 51, or a remote launch complex somewhere out in the Pacific Ocean.
The Alien Agenda
According to Phil Schneider, the “Alien Agenda” was known by the U.S. government as early as 1933. The purpose being was the complete take-over of the world by aliens by the year 2029. Original notes from Schneider indicate that between January of 1947 and December of 1952 sixteen UFO crash/retrievals took place. Four occurred in Nevada, ten in New Mexico, and two in Arizona. These crashed/downed saucer retrievals resulted in the recovery of 117 alien bodies, with four being captured alive. The government contractor known as EG&G served as a consulting firm on alien related projects. Security and recovery of extraterrestrial or alien spacecraft was handled by a special military detachment known as the “Blue Berets” which fell under the jurisdiction of “Project Pounce”. It was said by Schneider that seven benevolent species of aliens are currently living on earth, as well as four evil species (partially confirmed by former CIA pilot John Lear, and retired Command Sergeant Major Robert Dean). A total of four treaties were signed between the aliens and the U.S. Government. The dates for these treaties were as follows: 1944, 1954, 1962, and 1979. In 1954, the “Greata” treaty was signed between the Eisenhower administration, the U.S. Navy, and a species of Grey aliens who originated from Zeta Reticuli. In essence, the Greata treaty was an agreement between the U.S. Government, and known malevolent aliens. The agreement allowed for the abduction, study, and genetic sampling of humans in exchange for alien technology.
It was later discovered that the Greys were abducting far more human subjects than originally planned, and that the entire alien situation had “gone off the rails”, and was beyond the capability of the U.S. Government to contain. This constituted the “terrible truth”, and provided further justification for the now 64 year old cover-up. The pre-determined meeting allegedly took place at Edwards Air Force Base. Persistent attempts by ufologists and historians alike have failed to conclusively prove the authenticity of this elusive story. As an interesting side note, just one year later on October 8, 1955 General Douglas MacArthur made the following cryptic remark before a young group of graduating cadets at West Point: “You now face a new world, a world of change. We speak in strange terms, of harnessing the cosmic energy, of ultimate conflict between a united human race and the sinister forces of some other planetary galaxy. The nations of the world will have to unite, for the next war will be an interplanetary war. The nations of the earth must someday make a common front against attack by people from other planets.”
Schneider also claimed that the ultimate goal of the SDI “Star Wars” program was to protect the earth from an alien threat. Apparently, according to Schneider, Offut AFB (Nebraska) is home to recovered alien bodies and craft along with the long rumored underground WPAFB facility at Dayton Ohio. Phil claimed firsthand knowledge that the United States Government had “piles of wrecked UFO’s”, and that these craft were being shot down at the rate of seven per month. In Russia, there were “football fields” full of junked UFO’s which were being shot down at the rate of one per day. Schneider also claimed knowledge that entrance into the Roswell craft and other extra-terrestrial vehicles was accomplished by dipping the craft into a super-cooled vat of liquid nitrogen, thereby making the hull of the craft brittle. In its weakened state, a pneumatic hammer was used to break open the outer hull. In very small collection of original notes by Phil Schneider, provided by his ex-wife Cynthia Drayer, it has been revealed that “Hittite like” cuneiform inscriptions were found on portions of the Roswell debris. In addition, lunar artifacts from the Aristarchus crater as well as artifacts on Mars were apparently shipped to Area S4 and 29 Palms Marine base in California. These artifacts are believed to have been procured during secret space missions that were outside the scope of the Apollo and Viking programs.
In private conversations with alleged Philadelphia experiment survivor Al Bielek, Phil stated that he was present at one particular meeting which included high level United Nations officials. The meeting was held in an undetermined underground location, and NOT the U.N headquarters in New York. According to Phil, this facility included large expansive meeting rooms (identical to the U.N.), and a specific “raised seating area”. In this elevated section sat multiple seven foot tall Grey aliens who were “dictating policy” to U.N. officials. Apparently the “Alien Agenda” had gotten so far out of hand, that the U.S. Constitution no longer held any legal standing, and international leaders were at the mercy of the Greys.
The New World Order
Among his most conspiratorial subjects, Phil Schneider constantly warned of a “global take-over” by the power elites, which would enslave humanity into a totalitarian dictatorship “police state”. In this “New World Order”, citizens would willfully hand over their civil liberties and freedoms in exchange for Government protection against “manufactured” terrorists threats. To facilitate this diabolical plan, and to “neutralize” any “patriots”, Schneider claimed that 64,000 black helicopters were built. However, he never revealed which defense contractor manufactured these helicopters, or where they were based. It’s believed that these black helicopters were built to monitor “domestic terrorists”. In addition, Phil stated that 107,200 prison boxcars have been built. These boxcars were said to incorporate 143 pairs of shackles each (enough for 15 million U.S. “dissidents” who refused to go along with the plan). These citizens would be shipped to one of the 600 pre-existing “FEMA detention camps” which were funded under the Reagan Authorized Rex 84 Project “Garden Plot”, and Operation “Cable Splicer”. The validity of such claims regarding “prison boxcars” remains a hotly debated subject on multiple conspiratorial websites.
The death of Phil Schneider
On January 17, 1996 an officer from the local Clackamas County Sheriff’s Department broke into Phil Schneider’s apartment. The officer was accompanied by Al Pratt who was leading regular bible study groups with Phil. Al had seen Phil’s car parked in the driveway, but there had been no answer at the door. Upon entry into the room, Phil’s body was discovered arched under an adjustable high-rise bed. His head was resting on a nearby wheelchair. It had been in the apartment for a week before it was discovered. Initially, the cause of death was determined by detective Randy Harris to be a stroke. However, this explanation is suspect for a number of reasons. In an unprecedented move which is against Oregon State Law, detective Harris released the body to Mount Scott Funeral Home without it first being examined by a coroner. Two days after Phil’s body was found, a startling discovery was made by the mortician at the funeral parlor. When Phil’s body was being prepared for cremation, a rubber surgical tube was discovered embedded in the folds of his neck.
The tube was wrapped three times around his neck, and was doubled knotted. Funeral director Rob Gasgill was furious at the discovery of an apparent murder weapon on his property. This is a gross oversight on the part of the Sheriff’s Department, and would have been discovered much earlier if a coroner had been called to the scene. This clearly should have triggered a full scale murder investigation. Eventually Cynthia Drayer (Phil’s ex-wife) ordered an autopsy which was performed by Medical Examiner Karen Gunson. However, according to Cynthia, the autopsy report contained “so many discrepancies, that it almost felt like it was not the body of Philip.” The report was inconsistent with what Cynthia knew regarding Phil’s physical body. Gunson made no mention of the metal plate in his head, or that his right lung had been removed. Dr. Gunson declared the cause of death to be “strangulation by ligature asphyxiation”. In other words, Phil Schneider’s death was labeled a “suicide”.
Although divorced at the time of his death, Phil’s ex-wife knew him well enough to determine that he would never commit suicide. He had strong religious convictions which forbade suicide. Cynthia is convinced that Phil was committed to living his life, and wanted to see his Daughter Marie grow up. In addition, Phil had future plans with his friend Mark Rufener to collaborate on a “tell all” book project which would reveal the truth about UFO’s, aliens, the black budget, and the New World Order. This explosive bomb-shell book was also to include a list of DUMB’s with their associated latitude and longitude coordinates. Unfortunately, Phil Schneider was murdered before this book could be published. Cynthia recalls that during one particular Thanksgiving meal, a sinister remark was made by George Schneider (Phil’s brother). The subject of Groom Lake came up, and Phil was discussing how George was a test pilot who flew TOP SECRET aircraft out of Area 51. George became noticeably anxious, and told Phil to stop talking about such things or “he might just end up dead”.
Phil Schneider’s legacy
Ultimately, Phil Schneider left behind many more questions than answers. A significant amount of material that he presented remains impossible to independently verify. His conspiratorial views of an imminent government take-over, with its associated “alien agenda” are now established pop-culture themes explored throughout countless blogs in cyberspace. Was he involved in the building of deep underground military bases? Financial records and documents saved by his ex-wife Cynthia Drayer indicate that he indeed was. Did he participate in the so called “Dulce Wars” of 1979? Until further supporting evidence is revealed, this question must remain in the so-called “gray basket”. However, Phil’s relentless crusade for additional government accountability is something that all Americans should take to heart.
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Hi All,
Here is a video i found.
The guy who made the videos, well, his first language is not English, so excuse his English.
THE MOON, an alien UFO base, a satellite that doesn't belong to us.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf4xv0IW4Ig
Brain Damage/Eclipse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy8iUI_ayuo
Babe,
xoxo
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Originally Posted by Dahlia Babe Ailhad
Invisible Soldier at 02:45
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3ZkGjgQ9Kg
Invisible tank
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py1P2vVfnl8
Is there a connection?
Just to say, I like the avatar - "something cool to slip into, sir"
When Phil completed his 2 1/2 mile ascent and finally emerged into the bright sunlight, he gazed upon his shadow and announced, "We're gonna have at least six more weeks of Summer."Quote:
During August of 1979, Phil Schneider (government geologist, Skunk Works engineer and black ops contractor) was commissioned to take part in a deep drilling operation at Dulce NM. During the sinking of the initial four shafts, it became clear that many of the lasers and mechanical components of the tunnel boring machine (TBM) were coming up broken. Mr. Schneider and a number of other geologists were elected to travel down the shaft via a basket to determine what the problem was. Upon arriving at the bottom of the shaft (which was 2-1/2 miles deep), a “horrible” discovery was made. It became immediately apparent that they had broken through into a large cavern that was infested with aliens. The creatures were described as a type 1 seven foot tall “grey”. Mr. Schneider was able to kill two of the creatures but was hit by a light green Cobalt radiation beam that was fired by one of the aliens. Badly injured and burned, but still alive, Phil was placed in the elevator basket and began the long trip to the surface, while an intense fire-fight continued to rage in the cavern below. In the commotion, a total of 66 secret service agents along with members of the FBI and black berets were struck and killed by the aliens. Phil was one of only three survivors of the event. This alleged confrontation has come to be known as the as the “Dulce Wars”.
Ok Babe, now you are getting desperate. As far as I can see you are taking "evidence" from a proven lier (see above examples from your own post) to further the case for the existence of aliens.Quote:
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Stealth ships do exist but they are not exactly a secret.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...Ship-Ever.html
"Schneider claimed that the F-117A was the first aircraft to utilize a special helmet worn by the pilot which incorporated “Psycho-energetic range finding technology”. This technology Schneider states was copied from the Russians."
Have you read the novel "Firefox" by Craig Thomas or watched the Clint Eastwood film of the same name, based on it? The above "technology" has been directly lifted from there.
ps. invisible to radar is not the same thing as invisible to the naked eye. You seem to be getting the two things confused, oh and the "Firefox" was invisible to radar as well...
On the subject of element 123, Unbitium (Ubt). Quite simply, it's not been found yet but it's been given the placeholder name of "Unbitrium" for when it is discovered.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gcchemistry/Unbitrium
As for Mirranite, it's curious that in Star Trek, "Murinite" is element 123. I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions...
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Murinite
Hi all,
(I don't know all of the right words to use but)... I have read somewhere in Star Trek sites, a while ago, that Gene Roddenberry was given some"technological advice" from either top scientists or science advisers from NASA or people from some place like that, in order to help him make the show seem more authentic so the show would definitely stand out from other sci-fi shows from that time.
Other sci-fi shows like My Favorite Matrian didn't have anything like the stuff seen on Star Trek.
We can assume no one would be able to identify anything that was real at the time because some of the Star Trek gizmos were so "classified?" and unknown that people would just think they were cool sci-fi ideas. Of course they didn't always use the proper "scientific terms" for everything, but in some cases, they DID use the same terms, as some of it was real stuff that was being reversed engineered and was being studied from real alien crafts Don't ask me what because i am not a big Treky.
It appears to us as though Gene Roddenberry 'thought up' all of this stuff by himself. Not so.
Go ahead and laugh, if you want. It's what they want you to do - but first - take a quick look at Gene Roddenberry's backgound.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_Ro...2.80.931949.29
"In 1941, he joined the United States Army Air Corps, which in the same year became the United States Army Air Forces. He began training at Goodfellow Field (now Goodfellow Air Force Base) in San Angelo, Texas with other Civilian Pilot Training alums and graduated as a second lieutenant in September 1942, Class G.
He flew combat missions in the Pacific Theatre with the "Bomber Barons" of the 394th Bomb Squadron, 5th Bombardment Group, of the Thirteenth Air Force and on August 2, 1943, Roddenberry was piloting a B-17E Flying Fortress named the "Yankee Doodle," from Espiritu Santo, New Hebrides, when mechanical failure caused it to crash on take-off. In total, he flew eighty-nine missions for which he was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross and the Air Medal before being honorably discharged at the rank of captain in July 1945." - Wikipedia.
Now you want to think that his air force friends weren't giving him little ideas, here and there, while "chewing the fat" about the old days in the service?
Take a look at all the ex-military people who appeared in the casts of Star Trek.
Scroll down near the bottom of the page.
This page is pretty interesting because it shows how Roddenberry incorporated his military background into Star Trek.
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/da...references.htm
Oh yea, Phil Schneider was such a liar about his claims about special metals and other top secret stuff he discussed with his military father who happened to hold a high level Cosmic Security Clearance because Star Trek happened to mention some ideas based on top secret stuff?
The same way Stavros mentions that there was a comic-book super-hero named Valiant Thor and so because of that, the real life alien Commander Val Valiant Thor couldn't possibly exist even though Phil Schneider showed an actual photograph of that guy sitting in the same room with his dad, Oscar Schneider.
Man, you self-proclaimed "scientists" sure are out of the loop lol when you start disbelieving real, high-level, ex-government and military personnel and astronaut whistle blowers who were all there and saw it all, just because your favorite television shows, B-movies, and comic books portrayed some of the "truth" as science "fiction".
Phil Schneider was telling everyone, in his audiences about an unknown element which, according to Lap the Scott, was mentioned in Star Trek episodes.
Now we see the tricorder being developed.
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/ames/res...uscout_prt.htm
And more....
http://mentalfloss.com/article/31876...gets-now-exist
Trish, most of the questions you've asked me concerning my views on Darwin's theory of human evolution and "evoution" have already been addressed in this thread. Please, go back and re-read my words, perhaps with less...uhmm...frustration or...i don't know the right word to use.
In any event, i won't re-type everything.
Just because you lost your time quoting me and asking me to re-explain, doesn't mean i want to lose my time when i've already mentioned it all. I wrote a long response the first time.
I never said i didn't believe in "evolution" per se. I was clearly referring to Darwin's theory, and that was already mentioned by me in this thread.
Once i stated i don't believe in Darwin's theory, you immediately brought up "evolution" of aliens (and i addressed that too, already) and bronco mentioned evolution of species which is not really connected to Darwin's theory of human evolution (i think). You and bronco both started discussing "evolution" as if i said i didn't believe in evolution.
I have never studied Darwin's theory in any great depth. I did read about it, and as time went on, i've learned other things that basically shot his theory down, in my mind - meaning, the whole discussion of ancient civilizations and the whole Anunnaki story and how these stories were plagiarized to create "Bible stories". That whole topic has really made me begin to question Biblical stories and my opinions of all religions, in general. Something doesn't look right to me when the leaders of the Holy dogmas, who supposedly base "everything" they teach on "truths", refuse to accept what could bring them down. You know?...there's a dead mouse in the pudding and they silently remove the dead mouse and say,
"No! There wasn't a dead mouse in the pudding. God will damn whoever said there was a dead mouse in the pudding! We don't believe or accept that there was a dead mouse in THE PUDDING".
And then, under their breath, they mutter to the one who found the mouse,
"Flush that damned mouse down the toilet before they see it!"
Why?? Why hide the truth? Why hide the possibility OF a real truth? For the Holy economy?...My God!...are we ever screwed AND without a condom.
Them, there, hiding historical facts or knowledge from us just so they can continue the lies and the charade which built up the civilization to be as misguided as we are, is totally wrong. Instead of them making things right, they perpetuate the lies that will bring about a total one global government one day. It's happening - just look around with your EYES OPEN, this time.
Trish, Your groundhog day comparison to Phil Schneider being pulled up in the basket was completely hilarious (you should consider doing stand-up comedy - i am still laughing lol) although (big frown) it's really mean because he was severely wounded in that alien encounter.
Laughing at someone almost dying is not a good quality as YOU should well know. Hmmmmm.
I've recently found a video of him showing the chest wound from the alien's laser. He lifts up his shirt and shows the camera the HUGE scar.
What...now?...someone will say he had open heart surgery and that's what caused the scar? My gosh!
Did you see his left hand and the missing fingers? Someone will say he was cutting carrots and missed?
Your video link of the guy explaining a double reflection of an image of the sun is interesting when explaining the two suns of the same size. Thanks for finding that as it does answer the question i had asked.
But he doesn't really explain when there are people recording videos of a smaller sun and planets in a cluster moving with a star appearing first, then being covered up by OUR Sun rising soon after. I would think scientists would have mentioned that refraction/reflection youtube video.
So i am not sure if that still applies to a smaller further away sun first rising followed by the huge Sun as it apparent not does with Nibiru.
Bronco, no one is able to say how or from what and whom aliens evolved, if they even evolved. Don't ask me from where they've evolved or whether i think Darwin's theory of evolution pertains to their evolution - it would only appear very pretentious and pedantic trying to convince people of my ignorant beliefs on THAT topic - and i would think the same thing about anyone (hint hint) who even would waste time typing things that would try to say that alien evolution is even remotely similar to any terrestrial "evolution" be it a bug or a germ or a bacteria etc.
The average human (even highly educated ones) know nothing about the evolution of "intelligent" alien species.
Perhaps the guys at the "multi-functioning" Military Base called area 51 could elaborate more on from where these aliens had evolved, as those guys interviewed the creatures and probably know all about them. But of course, that's all been faked, right.
Laphroaig, the author of the article of Phil Schneider's amazing ET claims had even said,himself, that his report was a skeptical one. Let's not forget who pays him, too.
Those science mags you want me to read are giving you the steady, slow flow of old science that is presented as "new". They are spoon feeding you according to the system from which you were educated you still follow.
Maybe you can't handle anymore information than that, you make it seem.
I don't know if you've seen this movie about Roswell before but you could always watch it.
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/sho...9&postcount=77
I don't think that there is any other "military base" that the public is more interested in knowing about than Area 51. Too many whistle blowers are saying that it's much more than "just a military base".
It seems to everyone else but you Lap the Scott, that area 51 is a lot more than just a military base. That must come from reading too many science magazines.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48LAxdnW46Y
I suppose you went THERE, too, and stood at the front gate, and that verifys all you may have heard about Area 51? I will spank you one day for being so naughty and haughty.
Schneider's dad, Oscar, had a history in the military and was no mere foot soldier. He had Cosmic level security clearance, so he would know of certain things that not one of us would know about. Oscar is sitting in that same that photo that shows the-big-necked Val Valiant Thor. gain, i have no idea who the business-suited-Val-Thor is but i did give my opinion on the whole Rev. Frank Stranges version of the story. (So let's not go there again, [to Stavros]).
There are, also, several amazing lectures and statements by Al Bielek. Here is an interesting 2 hour and 40+ minutes interview in two parts with Al Bielek in which he discussed aliens, time travel and so much more. Rivoting!
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/mo..._montauk_0.htm
Time travel
http://beforeitsnews.com/beyond-scie...y-2443678.html
And here, Al Bielek talks about Oscar and Phil Schneider, tall grey aliens, and more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuvgTiqlfNk#t=2340
Phil Schneider was working in conjunction (with a secret physicist whose name was never disclosed) on what is commonly known on television as a "Star Gate". Phil Schneider was no crack-pot by any means. He was a serioyus character who knew what he was talking about. I am surprised that the "HA committee on all topics scientific" are so closed minded.
Having listened to a few lectures, i really think that "secret physicist" working with Phil Scheider was, in fact, Al Beilek.
And the technology mentioned, that could make subs, soldiers, and soon, tanks to disappear was being re-developed (or reversed engineered) by humans in the days of Oscar Schneider was not a long time ago, really.
People intersted in learing something really should listen to Al Bielek's interview in which he talks about the Schneiders.
That sort of technology doesn't just get thought up "just like that one day by accident" even though they might want us to think that.
Phil Schneider and other top level personnel who became whistle-blowers mentioned how aliens wore a gadget that could make them invisible.
I don't mean to insult any of you, but you are in no position to act like you know more than any of those eye witnesses.
And i have no idea how you benefit by going out of your way to discredit these great men in this thread by calling them liars, or kooks, when you probably only heard of them for the first time here. Just because i bring it up, it's all sillyness?
I don't know why you think you know everything just because you are in the field of science. I highly doubt that neither of you are at the high level of knowledge of those whistle blowers. And, again, as i've said to trish before, it's very ignorant to refuse to accept anything just because you haven't heard of it before.
Why would i choose to read science magazines which are controlled, when i can, instead, listen to real scientists, physicists astronauts, and so many others who became whistle blowers?
A real scientist considers and examines the possibilities of the unknown as that is what science is all about - discovery!
It's a challenge to the scientific mind to apply the scientific method.
Open your minds to new ideas instead of patting each other on the back for being as ignorant as the other is by quoting old ideas and old book titles.
I don't care if fred41 or bronco falls in love with a book trish suggests or whatever, as that just proves my "Theory of the Evolution of Ignorance" or if you prefer a more simplistic term, let's call it, the "Pass It Around" theory - no original thought required - just follow along and i will say you're as smart as me".
The "Committee of Ignorance".
It's a wonder how you all got to be so "smart" being as close minded and fairly ignorant as you all appear in this thread.
If you think the people in charge of Area 51 and NASA and the Space Agency are being transparent about what they know, then you are really the hopeless ones.
I am not convinced at all by much that has been written in here by others, except for the video trish posted as to why we can see "two" large suns side-by-side. But again, i will repeat that if this is such basic knowledge, why are scientists still talking about the existance of Nibiru and the second sun? They overlooked it?
Stanton Friedman mentions Frank Drake's equation (dartboard science), Carl Sagan, Enrico Fermi, SETI, Stephen Hawking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyWQ4W3Rqm0
I'd rather listen to men like Mr. Friedman and Phil Schneider, than to read a "science magazine" if i want to learn something, thanks just the same...i wouldn't want to limit myself by reading what you are reading which causes you to laugh at the stuff i'm discussing.
Babe,
http://www.animated-gifs.eu/emoticons-aliens/0007.gif
xoxo
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Trish, most of the questions you've asked me concerning my views on Darwin's theory of human evolution and "evoution" have already been addressed in this thread. Please, go back and re-read my words, perhaps with less...uhmm...frustration or...i don't know the right word to use.
In any event, i won't re-type everything.
Just because you lost your time quoting me and asking me to re-explain, doesn't mean i want to lose my time when i've already mentioned it all. I wrote a long response the first time.
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Once i stated i don't believe in Darwin's theory, you immediately brought up "evolution" of aliens (and i addressed that too, already) and bronco mentioned evolution of species which is not really connected to Darwin's theory of human evolution (i think). ...
My questions were in a detailed response to that long post to which you refer. They arose from issues about which you were obviously confused. It’s fine with me if you prefer not to respond to them, but please don’t pretend that you already settled these confusions. You’re obviously still confused.
So Phil says he is a geologist, an engineer and a black ops contractor. Lockheed, according to Phil, decided to hire this (self-taught) geologist to work on a Top Secret Government Contract. No, not Top Secret––the classification was COSMIC. That turned out to be a big mistake, ‘cause Phil obviously can’t be trusted to keep a secret. According to Phil, Lockheed sent him and a bunch of geologists down a drill hole to diagnose a problem with the drilling equipment. At the bottom of the hole Phil discovers a cavern. Phil finds that it’s swarming with aliens––to be specific: type 1 greys. They attack him. He takes out two of them. Then he’s shot with what was readily identified as a green cobalt radiation beam :rolleyes:. His comrade geologists threw him into a basket and sent him up the shaft while apparently more than sixty six armed Secret Service agents are sent down to do battle with the greys. Secret Service Agents? Was the President there? We know they were Secret Service Agents, ‘cause Phil said so. We know it was more than sixty six, because that how many Phil says died in the ensuing battle. Phil was quite a hero. We know, ‘cause Phil said so. Not only do we have Phil’s word for it, there are some rocks which aren’t what Phil said they were. We know this is all true, ‘cause Phil told this story over and over again in his books and lectures which he sold and delivered for a modest living––after he gave up more lucrative pursuits like geology, engineering and black-oping. One thing for sure, Phil tells a good joke, and he deserves a good laugh.Quote:
Trish, Your groundhog day comparison to Phil Schneider being pulled up in the basket was completely hilarious (you should consider doing stand-up comedy - i am still laughing lol) although (big frown) it's really mean because he was severely wounded in that alien encounter.
Laughing at someone almost dying is not a good quality as YOU should well know. Hmmmmm.
Hi Trish
I never once stated i was confused about Darwin's theory.
I never said Phil Schneider had cosmic security clearance. You seem to get it wrong - too busy assuming what you THOUGHT i wrote.
The difference between you and me is that when you suggest i read links, i actually, read them and i even comment on them.
But you, you seem to ignore what i post and just say i am confused, and then Lap chimes in with bronco and then you all seem to think if three disagree with one that the three are correct.
I either answered/commented on evolution or i directly responded, and you missed it. And you still asked me to re-explain because you seem confused about what i had written
Sorry, but i still like ya.
Babe,
xoxo
This thread alone is as big as a bible.
I want to hear AshleyCreamer's and LISEAN's opinion on this poll. Maybe also hear TopAsh's opinion.
Hi again trish,Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
You even have most of all that wrong. You don't listen when people speak, and you seem to not read what people write.
Sorry, but look how fast you took to respond.
Lightening fast responses from someone (you) who can't be bothered to learn what others (not me) but other physicists say.
You are more informed than Al Bielek was and Stanton Friedman?...and the others ones were clowns?...too?
My gosh.
You really have to listen to Phil, and Al Bielek explain the situation as to WHY Phil started to leak information.
But you won't do that - you're too..."stuck up".
Babe,
xoxo
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Sasha, You're welcome to join in. :)
Yeah Laphroaig needs more egg throwers
If you don't like it move on to the naked pics.
Hi all,
Many of the responses in this thread clearly indicate how people believe cover ups.
Sad.
It's okay folks, trish and Lap say that all the real scientists are wrong - except them. lol
I just can't figure out WHY it is so important to trish, bronco and Lap to prove the scientists to be wrong.
Babe,
xoxo
Babe
These are genuine questions for you.
Why do you believe the Alien theories and what is it about them that makes them more convincing to you than the rational scientific explanations that you've been given in this thread?
You've stated before that you know how sift the truth from the false information on the net, so how do how do you decide what is true and what isn't?
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