TRUVADA: Why are we ALL not taking this???!!!!

^I'm not ignoring it. I'm not promoting a return to 70's bathhouse culture where you disappear into a cubicle every weekend and fuck your brains out with 50 different people and require penicillin or a shot every week. What I AM saying is that a "use condoms 100's of the time" strategy has FAILED to halt the spread of HIV. There are 50k+ new infections each year in the USA, over half of which are men who have sex with men. Gay men are, even by the most liberal estimates, maybe 5% of the country (and that is really pushing it). So, why would we not adopt a strategy that saves lives? I'm not saying ditch the condom, and I don't think everyone will (I've met several men who lived through both the hedonism of the 70's and the AIDS epidemic of the 80's who have ALWAYS used condoms).

Also, ghonorrhea, chlamydia, syphilis, herpes, hpv are all easily spread through skin to skin contact and/or saliva. As I said before, I don't know anyone except prostitutes who wrap up for oral sex. You see my point here, yes?

The "use condoms 100% of the time" strategy hasnt failed... the people that havent used condoms 100% of the time have...

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You see my point here, yes

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As always: Do as the professionals do?

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Originally Posted by Westheangelino

Also, ghonorrhea, chlamydia, syphilis, herpes, hpv are all easily spread through skin to skin contact and/or saliva. As I said before, I don't know anyone except prostitutes who wrap up for oral sex. You see my point here, yes?

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True but some of these STD's can be localized on the body, having unprotected oral sex with someone who has anal warts wont lead to you having said warts (if you don't rim) but if their warts are internal and you then go bareback them you going to run the risk of having one nasty looking cock in a months time.

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Originally Posted by RobynBlakeTS

True but some of these STD's can be localized on the body, having unprotected oral sex with someone who has anal warts wont lead to you having said warts (if you don't rim)

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lol do you really believe this if hpv was transmitted sexually theres a good chance the genitals are infected too but hey keep giving bbbj

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Originally Posted by MrBest

lol do you really believe this if hpv was transmitted sexually theres a good chance the genitals are infected too but hey keep giving bbbj

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Not completely I was just using it as a example but most people who have anal warts do not have it on their penile area. Warts are only contagious via the actual wart. If you have read the thread you would see I am the one battling for safe pleasurable sex other hedonistic irresponsible disease spreading sex. Anyone who has met me knows and can vouch that I am extremely serious when it comes to my health and others health.

^ If you are able to do so then congrats to you personally. 30 yrs and billions of dollars has proven that most people can't. There is a medication out there that saves lives that most people don't even know about!!!

I hope you can afford the regime of antiretrovirals once you get infected - as you surely will

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Originally Posted by RobynBlakeTS

Not completely I was just using it as a example but most people who have anal warts do not have it on their penile area. Warts are only contagious via the actual wart. If you have read the thread you would see I am the one battling for safe pleasurable sex other hedonistic irresponsible disease spreading sex. Anyone who has met me knows and can vouch that I am extremely serious when it comes to my health and others health.

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Originally Posted by Prospero

I hope you can afford the regime of antiretrovirals once you get infected - as you surely will

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No, I'm going to get an insurance plan that covers truvada, a drug that has been proven to be 99% percent effective at preventing HIV infection. BOOM

I would strongly advise anyone visiting these boards to ignore this irresponsible fool

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Originally Posted by Prospero

I would strongly advise anyone visiting these boards to ignore this irresponsible fool

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Yup. I'm an irresponsible fool who wants to take a pill every day that keeps me from becomming HIV positive and requires you to get screened every four months.. Yeah....sounds about right....:screwy

Your irresponsbility is your advocacy of barebackng while taking this pill whose efficiency is still in question. Plus you have long been on these boards advocating unsafe sex before you discovered this new drug.

What you do is entirely your own concern. However there are those who visit these boards who will take your advice seriously. If only one of them gets infected as a result of your flawed advice then I would call ou criminally culpable.

So just stop your stupid advocacy.

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Originally Posted by Westheangelino

Yup. I'm an irresponsible fool who wants to take a pill every day that keeps me from becomming HIV positive and requires you to get screened every four months.. Yeah....sounds about right....:screwy

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Once again doesn't stop you from getting all the other STD's out there.

^ Never said it did. Neither do condoms. You kind of sound like abstinence only fools who rail against things like the birth control pill.


Criminally culpable? Are you fucking kidding me? People like YOU are criminally culpable in my opinion. It is your moralizing and shaming that is keeping more doctors, the drug company itself, and AIDS advocacy groups from shouting this wonderful news from the rooftops.

People obsessed with going condomless are mentally ill imho.

^ How far do you want to go with that? If there was a proven vaccine out there, would you say the same thing? I absolutely understand the difference between getting a shot and having to take a pill every single day that has minor side effects, but if the efficacy is nearly the same (100% vs. 99%), what is the real difference??

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Originally Posted by Westheangelino

^ Never said it did. Neither do condoms. You kind of sound like abstinence only fools who rail against things like the birth control pill.

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No you didn't but your just ignoring that part and risk to going bareback and solely focusing on HIV. Condoms are not 100% but they do increase the percentage of protection. Oh no im a big believer in the pill and eugenics and selection, means I would not have to be wasting my time defending those not in the know on here from you , if more people used the pill.

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Originally Posted by Westheangelino

^ How far do you want to go with that? If there was a proven vaccine out there, would you say the same thing? I absolutely understand the difference between getting a shot and having to take a pill every single day that has minor side effects, but if the efficacy is nearly the same (100% vs. 99%), what is the real difference??

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Once again you are ignoring facts to fit in your argument, I have given you the list of the side effects from the drugs own website which are anything but minor and to which you had comepete ignorance off despite arguing that you had researched this thoroughly despite never looking on the drugs website.

^ the drugs website is the last place I would look. First of all, drug manufacturers want you to buy their product. So, every psychiatric drug for example is the new cure for all you blues (and clearly that's bullshit). Sometimes it IS a miracle drug, sometimes it's just a band aid. The other side of the coin is that they have to list all potential side effects lest they be liable. Listen to any commercial for any drug on TV from Valtrex to Lipator. The litany of side effects sounds scary for every drug out there. Studies and anecdotal evidence shows that the side effects for this drug are on par with leading high blood pressure meds, e.g.

Running on close to empty Westheangelino... so take care buddy

Truvada is also part of one of the possible "cocktails" suscribed to people who have H.I.V, so there are more pills involved , if you want to believe its the miracle get out of HIV for free pill by all means , but you sir are endangering anyone you have unprotected seks with end of fucking story

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Originally Posted by kaientai

Truvada is also part of one of the possible "cocktails" suscribed to people who have H.I.V, so there are more pills involved , if you want to believe its the miracle get out of HIV for free pill by all means , but you sir are endangering anyone you have unprotected seks with end of fucking story

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Yes, it is also part of the cocktail that already positive people take, and has been proven effective at keeping negative people from becoming positive in the first place. So much so that two months ago the CDC officially endorsed it as a prophylactic against HIV, and now insurers are jumping on board as well.

Your point, sir?

I think what everyone is trying to say is that you can't take this magic pill and bareback anything you want. It's still risky business.

I have as much faith in this pill as the people who say they have "undetectable HIV". Make so sense. Nothing is 100%.

^ I think the mistrust stems from 30 years of being promised a cure and nothing happening better than taking a strict regimen of expensive drugs for the rest of your life. The pill's efficacy is real. Choose not to believe it if you want, but please don't deny anyone the information and choice of using it as their only means of protection OR a safety net for when other means fail.

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Originally Posted by Westheangelino

^ I think the mistrust stems from 30 years of being promised a cure and nothing happening better than taking a strict regimen of expensive drugs for the rest of your life. The pill's efficacy is real. Choose not to believe it if you want, but please don't deny anyone the information and choice of using it as their only means of protection OR a safety net for when other means fail.

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No denying here. Personally I don't think we'll know the real results unti about 10 years from now. That's when the real data will be available.

http://www.webmd.com/hiv-aids/news/2...erpes-risk-too

^Well, well. Looks like this ALSO helps reduce herpes!!!!!

^^^^
Nice

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Originally Posted by Westheangelino

http://www.webmd.com/hiv-aids/news/2...erpes-risk-too

^Well, well. Looks like this ALSO helps reduce herpes!!!!!

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But effect isn't strong enough to make it a stand-alone preventive treatment for herpes, expert says

I think our Californian jerk must have shares in this "wonder drug"

I've had a bit of a turn around on my thinking on this, (don't get me wrong, i still think he's a cock). But, that's his right.

Lets face it, there's only a thin membrane between our viewpoints. And, as much as we castigate him, people who don't play in the 'war zone' could say the same of us.

Fuck...I had a point to make here, but I've forgotten it.
Goddamn you, red wine and Dr Krippling! :hide-1:

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Originally Posted by Jericho

I've had a bit of a turn around on my thinking on this, (don't get me wrong, i still think he's a cock). But, that's his right.

Lets face it, there's only a thin membrane between our viewpoints. And, as much as we castigate him, people who don't play in the 'war zone' could say the same of us.

Fuck...I had a point to make here, but I've forgotten it.
Goddamn you, red wine and Dr Krippling! :hide-1:

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I get your point...

Since anal sex is the most dangerous when it comes to HIV...there would be folks that say "You should avoid it altogether...just stick to pussy"..Then there are people that say some of us are insane for even seeing so many escorts...hell, I know folks that are so afraid of getting a bug they practically avoid sex altogether.

Look, what we do in our private lives...as long as it's consensual, is ultimately a personal decision...and for the sake of honesty, I will admit I've done some stuff that would be considered dangerous in various degrees to different people...but that's my business and I don't ever really condone it...and I will never preach it. If I choose to be stupid, I choose to be stupid...I'm not gonna tell everybody to be stupid...or shout out how great it is to be stupid..

...but I'm glad Wes created this thread. It gave some necessary attention to a good drug that many people didn't know was out there.

^ And for the record, I'm not advocating (nor have I advocated in this thread) any BEHAVIOR other than taking a look at reality and take on some responsibility by arming yourself with this drug to halt the continued spread of HIV. The fact that half of all men who have sex with men (and guess what, my TS loving brethren...as far as the CDC is concerned that includes YOU) will be HIV positive by the time they are 50. Preaching condoms alone is just as stupid as someone preaching abstinence only in order to stem the rates of teen pregnancy. There are new articles every single day (please use Google News and see) proclaiming the benefits of this drug. Please don't let your moralizing preclude everyone from hearing all of their options to protect themselves against HIV/AIDS.

And it is also very important NOT TO BAREBACK

But if you want to, please consider truvada as another option

Just bear in mind that all drugs , if used long term , have undesirable and possibly dangerous side effects. One can't be huffing poppers and taking Truvada and expect it not to effect one's health. Just saying.
The most common side effects with Truvada are elevated blood Lactate and liver damage . So you need to see your doctor at least once a year so that he can monitor your blood chemistry / liver enzymes with a blood test. And be honest with him so that he can know your concerns.
As for poppers , at the very least , they make one smell awful for weeks !
Here's a good thumb nail information sheet on Truvada.
http://aidsinfo.nih.gov/drugs/406/em...rate/0/patient

^ Never had a problem smelling bad via poppers.

But, yes, excess in all things leads to bad consequences. That being said, let's have some common sense and use all weapons at our disposal against the scourge of AIDS.

ALL of them Sir... including condoms.
Oh and using poppers is also stupid.

^ a LOT people enjoy poppers. I think cockrings are stupid. I think marijuana is stupid. A lot of people enjoy those too. Different strokes, different folks. None of which has anything to do do with Truvada FYI.

Yeah and some folks like playing Russian roulette - with guns or with their sexual health.

But then you are an advocate for all kinds of of dumbness West, so I thought i'd throw that in. Carry on your crusade though....and I truly hope you stay well.

^ I just don't understand that sentiment. I'm advocating people taking a drug that has been shown to reduce the risk of transmitting HIV by more than 95% (and that isn't even using the benchmark of perfect use and compliance). To me the attitude of not shouting this news from the rooftops is so much more deadly and a disservice to humanity.

That's cool Wes... but its your advocacy of bareback that continues to bug me for its foolishness

^ I see your point. But trust me: my personal feelings on the issue have nothing to do with the fact that half of all men who have sex with men will be HIV positive by the time they are 50. Truvada can help make that statistic a non reality!!!