Is Tgirl a better word - and should that become the norm?

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

Absolutely wrong. I've made my views on CD's QUITE clear. I respect their right to be what they are. I don't respect their opinion that I should treat them as if they're something else.

~BB~

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Nah, you used it as a form of attack...all that dude shit you used...the context was clearly meant to demean.

And it isn't up to you to be the arbiter of who someone is and how they want to present themselves.

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Originally Posted by nysprod

Nah, you used it as a form of attack...all that dude shit you used...the context was clearly meant to demean.

And it isn't up to you to be the arbiter of who someone is and how they want to present themselves.

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I only said 'dude' when Krissy was actively genderfucking. Again, Krissy. Is not. A woman. And if you continue to defend this person, then you sir, are gay as a picnic basket. There's nothing wrong with that unless you're hiding in the closet. Just admit it. It's OK to be gay.

And it's not up to Krissy to be the arbiter of when a CD should appropriate the terminology and gender roles of transsexuals.

~BB~

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

I only said 'dude' when Krissy was actively genderfucking. Again, Krissy. Is not. A woman. And if you continue to defend this person, then you sir, are gay as a picnic basket. There's nothing wrong with that unless you're hiding in the closet. Just admit it. It's OK to be gay.

And it's not up to Krissy to be the arbiter of when a CD should appropriate the terminology and gender roles of transsexuals.

~BB~

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I have no intention of sinking into the morass of name calling...but just let it be known that by your context your intention was to cut as deeply as possible.

I mean, come on now, you just implied that you wished that she wanted to commit suicide in the other thread!

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Originally Posted by nysprod

I have no intention of sinking into the morass of name calling...but just let it be known that by your context your intention was to cut as deeply as possible.

I mean, come on now, you just implied that you wished that she wanted to commit suicide in the other thread!

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I didn't call you a name. I made an honest psychological analysis. If you feel the need to defend CDs so fervently to the detriment of transsexuals, then you must be dependent upon your illusion that they are female to justify your attraction. It's pretty simple, actually.

And I implied NO such thing. I just want her to leave the board. I wouldn't wish death on anybody. YOU made an inference that wasn't there, so sod off!

~BB~

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

I didn't call you a name. I made an honest psychological analysis. If you feel the need to defend CDs so fervently to the detriment of transsexuals, then you must be dependent upon your illusion that they are female to justify your attraction. It's pretty simple, actually.

And I implied NO such thing. I just want her to leave the board. I wouldn't wish death on anybody. YOU made an inference that wasn't there, so sod off!

~BB~

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Right..."gay as a picnic basket" is about as much of an honest psychological assessment as you claiming you weren't wishing she would be contemplating suicide.

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Originally Posted by nysprod

Right..."gay as a picnic basket" is about as much of an honest psychological assessment as you claiming you weren't wishing she would be contemplating suicide.

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Nice non-sequitur. Really. Very well done!

And you're taking the quote out of context. I told you WHY I believed that about you.

Some of you guys will say anything to avoid facing the fact the you love cock. Not trans women. Cock. And it's common knowledge that CD's can do more with theirs than most transsexuals, so you all want to do the internet white knight thing.

HOW many posts are there on the sissy thread now?! Almost two million?!

~BB~

Now she's a psychologist. :dead:

Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
I didn't call you a name. I made an honest psychological analysis. If you feel the need to defend CDs so fervently to the detriment of transsexuals, then you must be dependent upon your illusion that they are female to justify your attraction. It's pretty simple, actually.

And I implied NO such thing. I just want her to leave the board. I wouldn't wish death on anybody. YOU made an inference that wasn't there, so sod off!

~BB~

I have a better idea. Why don't you leave the board? You spend so much time here fighting that could be better served taking care of your kid (s).

Seriously, shouldn't your time be better spent being a mom than bullying other people on message boards?

Or are you that sort of trash.

I think that moms should take offense that you use that word because you are not a mom.

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Originally Posted by transbeastiality

Now she's a psychologist. :dead:

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I don't have to be. I'm a trans woman. I see it ALL the time. What are your qualifications to speak on this topic exactly?

Oh, and by the way: bestiality*.

~BB~

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Originally Posted by zerrrr

Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
I didn't call you a name. I made an honest psychological analysis. If you feel the need to defend CDs so fervently to the detriment of transsexuals, then you must be dependent upon your illusion that they are female to justify your attraction. It's pretty simple, actually.

And I implied NO such thing. I just want her to leave the board. I wouldn't wish death on anybody. YOU made an inference that wasn't there, so sod off!

~BB~

I have a better idea. Why don't you leave the board? You spend so much time here fighting that could be better served taking care of your kid (s).

Seriously, shouldn't your time be better spent being a mom than bullying other people on message boards?

Or are you that sort of trash.

I think that moms should take offense that you use that word because you are not a mom.

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My son isn't here right now.

Dick. :fu:

~BB~

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

I don't have to be. I'm a trans woman. I see it ALL the time. What are your qualifications to speak on this topic exactly?

Oh, and by the way: bestiality*.

~BB~

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Who was it, just a little while ago, that compared somebody to person who takes a few courses in college yet takes full credit for a PhD.? :slimer

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

Nice non-sequitur. Really. Very well done!

And you're taking the quote out of context. I told you WHY I believed that about you.

Some of you guys will say anything to avoid facing the fact the you love cock. Not trans women. Cock. And it's common knowledge that CD's can do more with theirs than most transsexuals, so you all want to do the internet white knight thing.

HOW many posts are there on the sissy thread now?! Almost two million?!

~BB~

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Let us not digress into that useless old babble but rather stay on on the subject at hand, which is that you, Bella, wished that another human being was contemplating suicide.

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Originally Posted by transbeastiality

Who was it, just a little while ago, that compared somebody to person who takes a few courses in college yet takes full credit for a PhD.? :slimer

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You haven't answered the question. I don't need a PhD to be more qualified than you to speak on the topic. I only need to be trans. What's YOUR qualification?

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Originally Posted by nysprod

Let us not digress into that useless old babble but rather stay on on the subject at hand, which is you you, Bella, wished that another human being was contemplating suicide.

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Yeah. Still not even remotely what I said.

~BB~

Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
I don't have to be. I'm a trans woman. I see it ALL the time. What are your qualifications to speak on this topic exactly?

Oh, and by the way: bestiality*.

~BB~

Honestly, you using the word woman to describe yourself is an insult to women around the world.

Same goes for the word mom. You insult mothers by everywhere by using the term mom.

Go whine on iFriends about how you were made fun of by the people here because you could not bully someone off the board.

Right...... because women psychologists only treat women and life experience is all they need to practice. Fuck medical school! Really hoping to read more of your "honest psychological analyses". Hysterical.

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Originally Posted by zerrrr

Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
I don't have to be. I'm a trans woman. I see it ALL the time. What are your qualifications to speak on this topic exactly?

Oh, and by the way: bestiality*.

~BB~

Honestly, you using the word woman to describe yourself is an insult to women around the world.

Same goes for the word mom. You insult mothers by everywhere by using the term mom.

Go whine on iFriends about how you were made fun of by the people here because you could not bully someone off the board.

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Dude? Seriously? I'd rather not even respond to you, but the things say are SO ridiculous and sensational that I can't leave them unanswered. That said, by my count, Steven, Krissy, NysProd, and you are all attempting to bully me for refusing to be labeled a 'tranny' while crossdressers and their cognitively dissonant sycophants defend the word's use due to their own appropriation of it... and by resorting to ad hominems.

By my count, that's four against one, none of you are arguing the merits, and I'm not demanding anything other than to be treated with respect in terminology and practice, and that people accept the unqualified FACT that a crossdresser is not a transsexual.

So... four against one and you're fighting dirty, but yeah, I'm the bully! ROFL! OMG, that shit is HYSTERICAL! :rolleyes:

For those who missed it ealier:

http://breakups.org/images/gaslight.gif

~BB~

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Originally Posted by transbeastiality

Right...... because women psychologists only treat women and life experience is all they need to practice. Fuck medical school! Really hoping to read more of your "honest psychological analyses". Hysterical.

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I never claimed to be a PhD, but I do know a little about psychology (the two are not mutually exclusive). Regardless, I merely stated an observation for which the proof is all over this board.

Again, how many posts in the sissy thread?

Oh, and I forget to mention you in the 'bully post.' Make that FIVE against one.

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That's right, it's the entire world against you. Have you ever stopped to think that maybe it's not the world, maybe it really is you? That perhaps you have a terrible attitude and a horrible personality? I haven't been on here very long but I picked up on this rather quickly. Like walking into a room and stepping on a shovel, *whack*. I'd advise you the ol' proverbial long look in the mirror but as I understand it, hobgoblins don't cast reflections.

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Originally Posted by transbeastiality

That's right, it's the entire world against you. Have you ever stopped to think that maybe it's not the world, maybe it really is you? That perhaps you have a terrible attitude and a horrible personality? I haven't been on here very long but I picked up on this rather quickly. Like walking into a room and stepping on a shovel, *whack*. I'd advise you the ol' proverbial long look in the mirror but as I understand it, hobgoblins don't cast reflections.

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What do you know? You have FOUR posts here.

Ignoring you now.

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

What do you know? You have FOUR posts here.

Ignoring you now.

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Checkmate in 4. Amateur.

I bet she will not ignore the people she wants to bully.

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

Funny. A few pages back you were demanding empirical evidence. Once a hypocrite, always a hypocrite.



Biological, legal, and social permanence in the changes of one's gender expression as well as a loss of male privilege. A 'part-timer' has none of those.



Pretty sure I just did. The name calling is unnecessary, especially considering that it's my LACK of cowardice and propensity for saying whatever I'm thinking sans filter that always seems to get me into trouble.

Ironic, much?

YOU'RE the coward. You're afraid to give up your male life to transition, but yet you still demand the same treatment and respect as a woman that a transsexual receives. That's kind of like saying, 'I took a few courses in college, so I deserve the respect that a PhD receives.' Well, you don't. Such respect is EARNED, not given willy nilly.

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You answered nothing.

Your "answers" are so vague as to be used to describe a butch lesbian as being "Transsexual". Or, a gay male who is very effeminate and openly so.

She (the butch female) biologically (I don't think that word means what you think it does) may appear male. She legally may have a name like "Alex" - gender neutral. She may permanently change her "gender expression" and doesn't have any "male privilege". She still isn't "Transsexual"... she is a lesbian woman.

He (the effeminate gay male) may biologically appear as gender neutral (see Aubrey Kate's young years?), may again, have a gender neutral name like "Chris", and may be so effeminate that his "male privilege" is effectively revoked. He is still not "Transsexual"... he is an effeminate gay man.

These people exist. I've worked with some and have a friend who is like the gay male example... so effeminate in appearance, manner, and dress (but altogether gay) but completely and wholly male... doesn't want to change at all (he complains all the time of being treated as a female so I know he has no "male privilege" to speak of. It is a joke among us all.

Bella, you have a complete lack of understanding of the very term you affect to "own".

I asked you to CLEARLY and PRECISELY ANSWER THE QUESTIONS individually.

You've responded with a dribble of terms and lumped all four questions into one answer when the are DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT QUESTIONS REQUIRING DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT ANSWERS.

I can only draw the conclusion that you are unwilling (cowardly) to give the answers as stated or you can't (hypocritical because you don't fully even understand or are able to define the term you claim as yours).

Nice try on the sidestep. Called to the carpet again. See a pattern here?

I did answer your question. If you don't like that answer, then that's too fucking bad. :geek:

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

I did answer your question. If you don't like that answer, then that's too fucking bad. :geek:

~BB~

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So you're sticking with your original answer? So the butch lesbian is Transsexual? The effeminate gay male is Transsexual?

Have you completely lost your mind to think that answer is sufficient?

You're so full of shit, Bella. This is actual, definitive proof-positive.

You were given the chance to put, in writing, your answers to four fundamental questions that must be answered for any person seriously interested in a "Transsexual" discussion... and you FAILED EPICALLY. You gave an answer so stupidly vague that you may as well said, "Transsexuals are people with feet, and oh yeah, they maybe think they may be in the wrong body."

You can't, or won't even accurately define the term "Transsexual". Without that, you invalidate yourself and ALL subsequent arguments since we don't know what the hell you're talking about (not really anything new there though, I suppose). You can change it at will to fit the point you're trying to argue. That is complete and utter BULLSHIT. Period.

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Originally Posted by GroobyKrissy

So you're sticking with your original answer? So the butch lesbian is Transsexual? The effeminate gay male is Transsexual?

Have you completely lost your mind to think that answer is sufficient?

You're so full of shit, Bella. This is actual, definitive proof-positive.

You were given the chance to put, in writing, your answers to four fundamental questions that must be answered for any person seriously interested in a "Transsexual" discussion... and you FAILED EPICALLY. You gave an answer so stupidly vague that you may as well said, "Transsexuals are people with feet, and oh yeah, they maybe think they may be in the wrong body."

You can't, or won't even accurately define the term "Transsexual". Without that, you invalidate yourself and ALL subsequent arguments since we don't know what the hell you're talking about (not really anything new there though, I suppose). You can change it at will to fit the point you're trying to argue. That is complete and utter BULLSHIT. Period.

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I'm not engaging. You've made this argument such a convoluted cluster-fuck that I don't even know what you're talking about anymore. You ask me a question. I answer it and ask you a question. You tell me you're not satisfied with my answer - actually no, you claim I didn't answer your question at ALL when in fact I did - and then you don't even bother to answer my question.

This isn't a debate or even a conversation. At this point your argument has devolved into you yelling at me like a crazy cat lady.

A CD is not a TS. Period. If you don't know the difference and need me to explain it to you, then I'm sorry for you, but I'm done. My views on most of these topics can be found at BellaBellucci.com and my Facebook page anyway. Go read them. Educate yourself.

Peace ouuuut!!! *drops mic* <3

~BB~

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

I'm not engaging. You've made this argument such a convoluted cluster-fuck that I don't even know what you're talking about anymore. You ask me a question. I answer it and ask you a question. You tell me you're not satisfied with my answer - actually no, you claim I didn't answer your question at ALL when in fact I did - and then you don't even bother to answer my question.

This isn't a debate or even a conversation. At this point your argument has devolved into you yelling at me like a crazy cat lady.

A CD is not a TS. Period. If you don't know the difference and need me to explain it to you, then I'm sorry for you, but I'm done. My views on most of these topics can be found at BellaBellucci.com and my Facebook page anyway. Go read them. Educate yourself.

Peace ouuuut!!! *drops mic* <3

~BB~

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So, let's just imagine this... If TOMORROW, I line up with your so-called definition of "Transsexual" - you'll suddenly welcome me with open arms and I will be part of this "sisterhood" that you espouse to champion?

Let's just all cut the BS and say once and for all - that will NEVER happen. There is NOTHING I could possibly say or do at this point that would EVER get you to admit that I'm Transsexual even if I were to line up completely with your own stated definition (which you have now twice foregone altering or clarifying).

Do you know why that is?

Because you're a BIGOT. That is the very definition of BIGOTRY. You put people into a box and think less of them because of a label you have placed upon them. Wake up to that fact, Bella. Address that fact, Bella. Come to terms with your own bigotry, Bella. Educate yourself about that, Bella.

*picks mic up off floor and dusts it off because I'm not afraid of discussion and thus will never drop a microphone on the floor and stompy-feet off*

Edited by me.

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

then I'm sorry for you, but I'm done.

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You're done because you have nothing to say.

You failed epically when given the chance to define a term you think you know something about. You failed to address the criticism that your definition is so vague that it allows for people who wouldn't even profess themselves to be Transsexual.

You failed. You're a fraud. You're a hypocrite. That is why you're done. You're fond of quotes... here is one for you:

"You've been weight, you have been measured, and you have been found wanting." - From A Knight's Tale

Tgirl works for me and for the transsexual girls I know - simple, unambiguous, non-threatening. Tranny just has too many negative connotations to be generally acceptable, shemale likewise.

After reading this long conversation, i think we should stick to Tranny and shemale.

Gawd, but this constant bickering between trannies is tedious (lol)

i perfer the term Transsexual Woman or just Lady,Woman, Girl etc, I dont really like Tgirl as here in the UK generally it seems Tgirl is associated to CD/TVs same as Tranny is mostly associated to them as well. ...

In work as in adult modelling I dont mind Shemale, Tranny, Ladyboy so much as they are quite embedded words now for search strings .. though this year I am going to be removing them from my own descriptives and just use the word Transsexual instead ..

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Originally Posted by libertyharkness

i perfer the term transsexual woman or just lady,woman, girl etc, i dont really like tgirl as here in the uk generally it seems tgirl is associated to cd/tvs same as tranny is mostly associated to them as well. ...

In work as in adult modelling i dont mind shemale, tranny, ladyboy so much as they are quite embedded words now for search strings .. Though this year i am going to be removing them from my own descriptives and just use the word transsexual instead ..

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fwt ? ;-)

I prefer the words girls as well. Or women.

sammi i only let my dad use the FWT term when he is talking about you .. xx you know how it is lid xx

some people need to assume who they are ,.all that stuff about "im feelin insulted ,the word is too offensive" is just laughlable
i see no tranny complain when they receive theses tranny awards,

& liberty Please.....Nobody refer Cross dresser as tranny,

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Originally Posted by simonisthebest

some people need to assume who they are ,.all that stuff about "im feelin insulted ,the word is too offensive" is just laughlable
i see no tranny complain when they receive theses tranny awards,

& liberty Please.....Nobody refer Cross dresser as tranny,

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She is talking about our experiences in our culture here in the UK and use of language and said words in english. lets face it, we lived it, how exactly you can say nobody does XYZ is beyond me :)

#crackersfella

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Originally Posted by LibertyHarkness

sammi i only let my dad use the FWT term when he is talking about you .. xx you know how it is lid xx

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I still remember when you won FOTM :)

hahahhaha x

Can't be bothered to read thru this load of old arse again.
No matter what you say, someone's going to be offended.
Be as offensive as possible...It's a good way of weeding out the nutjobs! :shrug

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Originally Posted by GroobySteven

What do you think.
Is it ok to defer to someone as a tgirl?
Could it become a slur?

Thoughts?

Is this an acceptable word - and would girls be happier with it? Would it be less objectionable to be profited from?

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Personally, I think is OK to use in a situation where it is necessary or desirable to distinguish between trans and non-trans women, a situation that typically applies only when dealing with real trans issues.

Would it be less objectionable to be PROFITED from? I assume from that you mean in the porn world, in which case it would eventually come to have much the same connotation as tranny, shemale or similar words i.e. basically a slur out of any porn context.

simon come to the uk and see for yourself just go on any number of tv/cd site, swinging site etc .. cd are referred as tranny, tranny is a catch them all phrase over here . Libertyknowsbest :)