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its no secret from just reading this forum that there are many 15 scenes per YEAR in porn in LA at most. That is obviously not going to be anyone's main source of income.

So that leaves webcam and escorting. There are some girls that can escort for years and be fine. But escorting can take a huge toll on your psyche and the younger you are the more this is true. Webcamming can be profitable but it is EXTREMELY tedious and repetitive. It's like being a virtual stripper every night.

So not having any money is soul crushing, and in LA that's doubly so. And making money escorting, camming, and doing porn can be difficult as well. There is no way around it, it's a tough racket.

Let's add to the fact that being a TS girl comes with public derision and scorn in many cases which can be tough to deal with.

I hope Miranda is strong enough mentally to overcome life's obstacles and create a good life for herself. I have never met her, but she seems uber-intelligent and that will help her .

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its no secret from just reading this forum that there are many 15 scenes per YEAR in porn in LA at most. That is obviously not going to be anyone's main source of income.

So that leaves webcam and escorting. There are some girls that can escort for years and be fine. But escorting can take a huge toll on your psyche and the younger you are the more this is true. Webcamming can be profitable but it is EXTREMELY tedious and repetitive. It's like being a virtual stripper every night.

So not having any money is soul crushing, and in LA that's doubly so. And making money escorting, camming, and doing porn can be difficult as well. There is no way around it, it's a tough racket.

Let's add to the fact that being a TS girl comes with public derision and scorn in many cases which can be tough to deal with.

I hope Miranda is strong enough mentally to overcome life's obstacles and create a good life for herself. I have never met her, but she seems uber-intelligent and that will help her .

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This. This. This. A thousand times THIS!

~BB~

Hopefully Miranda has a strong support group (or person) around to help her
to get her through this rough period. Someone that she can comfortably
confide in, talk to, listen to, be a a strong enough influence. I think it's great
to have such a source around you at all times. Not just the harder times.
And perhaps if it's an atmosphere,person/people/lifestyle,occupational hazards
that's forcing depression lows then perhaps its' best to get herself enough
space and time away in order re-think, re-coup and better sort out
solutions that can best resolve an issue.
At this point i'm breathing a calmer sigh of belief to hear any encouraging news
that Miranda is ok.

We this is one of the thing I love about this community, we actually do give a shit about each other.

Miranda if you read any of this thread please let folks know you are good. We have lost a few friends along the way and we do care even if we have never met you in real life.

Hang in there and take care of yourself.

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We this is one of the thing I love about this community, we actually do give a shit about each other.

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We do? That hasn't been my experience. If people care, then how do girls continue to get to this point? :?

~BB~

By this community I meant HA.

And you know I like you. Just don't see you too often. You will be at the awards right?

Thanks to all of you who have made an intelligent contribution to this thread. If she does surface I hope those in the know will let us know how she is.

I wish her well.

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By this community I meant HA.

And you know I like you. Just don't see you too often. You will be at the awards right?

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I'm heavily leaning towards no, actually. I'm not exactly feeling the love.

~BB~

Speaking for myself, there's a lot of times being a fan of any kind of entertainers let alone ones in the adult industry, I become detached and forget that there are actual living human beings on the other side of the screen. Forums like this one help remind us, or me, of this.

I hope Miranda gets better, she seems like a very sweet girl.

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Speaking for myself, there's a lot of times being a fan of any kind of entertainers let alone ones in the adult industry, I become detached and forget that there are actual living human beings on the other side of the screen. Forums like this one help remind us, or me, of this.

I hope Miranda gets better, she seems like a very sweet girl.

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Nice comment. I doubt there are many porn sites that change people's world view or help them grow. Every so often this one seems to do that.

For those who didn't read my "Open Letter" last week, this was was the final paragraph.
I don't have an answer but I'm open to ideas.


"How about we reach a little further?

How about we look at ways to “sponsor” or help girls develop their transitions through support, advice and surgery? How about we encourage even more tgirls to come out – and how about we look at ways to normalize them even further within our society. How about we investigate why so many models have such problems with finance and see if we can do something to help them manage that? Why don’t we look at why so many tgirls have psychological issues – depression and suicidal – and is there anything we can do to try and help them?"

I liked her I followed her on twitter and has sent some messages and she replied and was very sweet. If you see this message Miranda I want you to know that it doesn't matter what you do in life just do the things that makes you happy and there will always be a better tomorrow. You are a good person and I am honored I had the time to message you and we had the time to share our thoughts. Have a great life Miranda.

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This is so sad. Miranda you are a beautiful young women with alot of years left. Life sucks some time,be strong.:jerkoff

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Is there anyway I can delete this and start again? What an idiot, the jerkoff was not supposed to be at the end.

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Is there anyway I can delete this and start again? What an idiot, the jerkoff was not supposed to be at the end.

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Fixed.

Thanks seanchai.

So has anyone talked to Miranda today?

Miranda you are a beautiful young lady with lots of years left.Life is a bitch sometime, I hope things get better.:)

Wish you Good luck.

She's a lovely,intelligent young lady...
the world really needs people like her...
I hope she can work through any problems she has and wish her nothing but the best.

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For those who didn't read my "Open Letter" last week, this was was the final paragraph.
I don't have an answer but I'm open to ideas.


"How about we reach a little further?

How about we look at ways to “sponsor” or help girls develop their transitions through support, advice and surgery? How about we encourage even more tgirls to come out – and how about we look at ways to normalize them even further within our society. How about we investigate why so many models have such problems with finance and see if we can do something to help them manage that? Why don’t we look at why so many tgirls have psychological issues – depression and suicidal – and is there anything we can do to try and help them?"

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The problem is they have to want to get help, and talk. The only thing we can do is give them the resources to find said help, let them know they are not alone, and that they have worth. Being on both sides of the coin with suicide I applaud any efforts to help people who think the only way out is death.

This is cheesy but I think the Last Samurai had an awesome story about a man who spent his life looking for a perfect cherry blossom, and when the samurai dies he realizes they are ALL perfect.

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For those who didn't read my "Open Letter" last week, this was was the final paragraph.
I don't have an answer but I'm open to ideas.


"How about we reach a little further?

How about we look at ways to “sponsor” or help girls develop their transitions through support, advice and surgery? How about we encourage even more tgirls to come out – and how about we look at ways to normalize them even further within our society. How about we investigate why so many models have such problems with finance and see if we can do something to help them manage that? Why don’t we look at why so many tgirls have psychological issues – depression and suicidal – and is there anything we can do to try and help them?"

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All boards change over time, however I feel that a year ago HA was more welcoming for the girls than now. I can't place why but there are less posts by the girls. Yes this board is about the Tgirl sex industry, but we need the Tgirls to enjoy being on here. We are probably part of the front lines where we all can improve acceptance one contact at a time.

Some do very well but so many are just scraping by. At the least they should feel appreciated for who they are, not just how hot they look.

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All boards change over time, however I feel that a year ago HA was more welcoming for the girls than now. I can't place why but there are less posts by the girls. Yes this board is about the Tgirl sex industry, but we need the Tgirls to enjoy being on here. We are probably part of the front lines where we all can improve acceptance one contact at a time.

Some do very well but so many are just scraping by. At the least they should feel appreciated for who they are, not just how hot they look.

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Rusty, I agree: "I can't place why but there are less posts by the girls." And: "... we need the Tgirls to enjoy being on here."

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Rusty, I agree: "I can't place why but there are less posts by the girls." And: "... we need the Tgirls to enjoy being on here."

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She hasn't been on HA, lurking without posting, for 22 hours. As someone who was probably closer than most, until or unless I hear something definitive, I remain deeply concerned.

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All boards change over time, however I feel that a year ago HA was more welcoming for the girls than now. I can't place why but there are less posts by the girls. Yes this board is about the Tgirl sex industry, but we need the Tgirls to enjoy being on here. We are probably part of the front lines where we all can improve acceptance one contact at a time.

Some do very well but so many are just scraping by. At the least they should feel appreciated for who they are, not just how hot they look.

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Actually, I think this site is more welcoming than ever. There are fewer girls because there is less money and more models than normal circulating within the niche right now.

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Rusty, I agree: "I can't place why but there are less posts by the girls." And: "... we need the Tgirls to enjoy being on here."

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Maybe it's because guys insist on focusing on the 't' in tgirls. This is a transsexual forum. The redundancy in that term here is quite unnecessarily othering.

~BB~

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Actually, I think this site is more welcoming than ever. There are fewer girls because there is less money and more models than normal circulating within the niche right now.



Maybe it's because guys insist on focusing on the 't' in tgirls. This is a transsexual forum. The redundancy in that term here is quite unnecessarily othering.

~BB~

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All of these discussions are relevant and worthwhile. However, the silence from Miranda herself continues to be deafening and deeply worrying. Any news?

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All of these discussions are relevant and worthwhile. However, the silence from Miranda herself continues to be deafening and deeply worrying. Any news?

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Kelly has informed me that she spoke to her and that she's stable for the moment. That's all I know, and I was really hoping you guys could hear it from her, hence I didn't mention it sooner. She must be busy.

~BB~

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Kelly has informed me that she spoke to her and that she's stable for the moment. That's all I know, and I was really hoping you guys could hear it from her, hence I didn't mention it sooner. She must be busy.

~BB~

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Kelly has informed me that she spoke to her and that she's stable for the moment. That's all I know, and I was really hoping you guys could hear it from her, hence I didn't mention it sooner. She must be busy.

~BB~

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Thanks very much Bella, very much appreciated. I don't know about busy per se. I suspect she's drawing breath and trying to build up her mental strength. But I would love to hear directly from her if that's humanly possible.

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Originally Posted by seanchai

For those who didn't read my "Open Letter" last week, this was was the final paragraph.
I don't have an answer but I'm open to ideas.


"How about we reach a little further?

How about we look at ways to “sponsor” or help girls develop their transitions through support, advice and surgery? How about we encourage even more tgirls to come out – and how about we look at ways to normalize them even further within our society. How about we investigate why so many models have such problems with finance and see if we can do something to help them manage that? Why don’t we look at why so many tgirls have psychological issues – depression and suicidal – and is there anything we can do to try and help them?"

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:iagree:Let's all start to look at our own posts and try to be a little less confrontational and argumentative.
And that is valid for me too...mea culpa!

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It's still in the quote (post #93).

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Thanks very much Bella, very much appreciated. I don't know about busy per se. I suspect she's drawing breath and trying to build up her mental strength. But I would love to hear directly from her if that's humanly possible.

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I was referring to Kelly. Her information is second-hand. Mine's third. :lol:

But yeah, it seems like the situation is stable. This is probably a good time for everybody to reevaluate how they treat people... especially here. I hope this serves as a learning experience for you all.

~BB~

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I was referring to Kelly. Her information is second-hand. Mine's third. :lol:

But yeah, it seems like the situation is stable. This is probably a good time for everybody to reevaluate how they treat people... especially here. I hope this serves as a learning experience for you all.

~BB~

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I agree wholeheartedly Bella, although I can't, thankfully, remember anyone hating on Miranda.

But it does serve as a wake-up call for all those who think it's ok to casually dismiss or insult a girl for her looks or anything else. People undergoing transition or simply dealing with the emotional complexities of being transgender can be fragile and vulnerable way beyond the daily experience and comprehension of most of us here. A little thinking time before you post can work wonders.

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But it does serve as a wake-up call for all those who think it's ok to casually dismiss or insult a girl for her looks or anything else. People undergoing transition or simply dealing with the emotional complexities of being transgender can be fragile and vulnerable way beyond the daily experience and comprehension of most of us here. A little thinking time before you post can work wonders.

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This is exactly what I meant.

~BB~

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This is exactly what I meant.

~BB~

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I know you did. x

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But it does serve as a wake-up call for all those who think it's ok to casually dismiss or insult a girl for her looks or anything else. People undergoing transition or simply dealing with the emotional complexities of being transgender can be fragile and vulnerable way beyond the daily experience and comprehension of most of us here. A little thinking time before you post can work wonders.

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Beautifully expressed and so true. There are far too many here who publish without thinking the most hurtful things - easy to do from the safety of your keyboards in faraway wherever - but deeply wounding to the very vulnerable.

Always think of the pain your casual words can cause and the damage they can do.

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Beautifully expressed and so true. There are far too many here who publish without thinking the most hurtful things - easy to do from the safety of your keyboards in faraway wherever - but deeply wounding to the very vulnerable.

Always think of the pain your casual words can cause and the damage they can do.

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I've also been in touch with the beautiful TS Birdmountain over what's happening with Miranda and have just received a msg to say that she's quitting the industry too. It's not easy for these girls. Please remember that.

Who is this person who dislike all the latest posts????

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It's not easy for these girls. Please remember that.

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Respectfully, it's not the adult industry which is causing the problems per se. Many, many, many of the TS girls have mental issues before coming into the industry or even transitioning (I'd welcome a study on the amount girls transitioning with pre-existing issues other than their transgenderism).

The adult industry in terms of photo/video shoots is actually quite supportive and open - but girls expect that the industry is going to a) financially support them more even though they are informed otherwise and b) lead onto greater things or greater recognition - which it may or may not.

There are models who can take it - and those who because of false expectations, cannot but in my experience it's not the adult industry causing these issues but the fact that many of the girls have depression, self-esteem and/or other issues before they come into it.

I don't think RL was blaming the industry .... and as you say there are many girls with emotional or indeed mental issues who do make the choice to go into this business (or escorting) when they are clearly not cut out for it. I have met a few in the past who simply fell apart after a brief spell of escorting (and one who did go on to kill herself). Let us hope Miranda finds peace and strength and support wherever she is.

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Respectfully, it's not the adult industry which is causing the problems per se. Many, many, many of the TS girls have mental issues before coming into the industry or even transitioning (I'd welcome a study on the amount girls transitioning with pre-existing issues other than their transgenderism).

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While the Industry doesn't cause the problems, I think the visibility of being an adult performer does take a significant toll on a person regardless of whether they have other issues.

Put yourself in MTF transsexual shoes for a minute. You spend your life with societal messages that we're crazy for thinking we're women. Those closest to you often have the most difficult time with you transitioning and send some of the most hurtful messages.

Then you enter Adult.

You start getting tens to hundreds of messages a day from guys telling you are beautiful, amazing, etc. If you're not prepared for it, it can be intoxicating. You start hearing the things you've wanted to hear your whole life -- that you are a beautiful woman. Sadly it's not a self-esteem born from inside yourself, so the buzz will never last.

Then come that haters - sometimes it's other women - sometimes it's guys -- all the time they are trolls. They'll say things to tear a model down for whatever reason. Again, if you're not braced for this it can hit hard.

It's a roller coaster.

At least once a week I get a message from a TS woman wanting to be a performer - my advice is always consistent: unless you are well grounded and know in your heart of hearts who you are, don't get mixed up in this shit. It can destroy a person. The Capital "I" Industry won't cause it, but it still is a function of the porn world we live in.