Chicago also a huge metropolitan that is a hop, skip and a jump away from Wisconsin and Iowa. The borders are gun permeable.Quote:
Originally Posted by BBaggins06
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Chicago also a huge metropolitan that is a hop, skip and a jump away from Wisconsin and Iowa. The borders are gun permeable.Quote:
Originally Posted by BBaggins06
So when was the last time you actually needed a gun to protect yourself? Did you know that in the U.S. on July 4 and seven year old was shot and killed by an asshole who pulled out his concealed gun and fired it into the sky in celebration? A gun in your home is more likely to be involved in an accidental shooting or used by family member to commit suicide then actually employed in protecting the family. Guns don't reduce risk of harm, they increase it.Quote:
Originally Posted by african1
Thank God I never had to but these guys had to:Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBYSau64LOc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MPMG3hWmMk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COZm7uCCjHM
Most people never need to ever defend themselves with a firearm. Yeah if you scour the world wide web you can find examples where guns were so used. You can also find examples of idiots accidentally shooting themselves, their children, their neighbors and other examples where idiots escalated a conflict unnecessarily into a gun fight by pulling out their concealed guns.
What's with the concealed shit anyway? Why not have the balls to carry in the open? Oh yeah, the bad guys will see whose carrying and pick them off first. Fantasy based reason is not reason at all...it's fantasy.
Further you cannot change the laws based on few accidents by the low IQ. Accidental discharges do happen and it is unfortunate. The worst accidents are the one caused by police officers themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
A better way to avoid this is the requirement to complete a training course before letting a person acquire a weapon.
Weapon safety rules are very simple. These are the commandments of every responsible gun owner. They are:
1) Treat every weapon as if it were loaded.
2) Never point a weapon at anything you do not intend to shoot.
3) Keep you finger straight and off the trigger until you are ready to fire.
4) Keep weapon on safe until you intend to fire.
These are easy to remember and live by.
It's not a few. It's thousands. And accidents don't just happen to the low IQ, though I admit it takes a pretty low IQ to decide to carry a gun to begin with. Police officers have accidents all the time. Trained veterans. I know the rules, I used to hunt with my father and my brothers. All hunters know the rules. Yet Cheney shot his friend in the face. An acquaintance of mine mistook his father for a turkey. These people are necessarily of low IQ. It only takes acting like idiot once.
http://accidentalgunshots.tumblr.com/
One last point I may add, people who seek to outlaw guns and try to repeal the 2nd amendment (which is a severe impossibility) could just move to a country where guns are already illegal. Americans need not to travel far as Mexico prohibits its citizens from owning a firearm. Needless to say, undoubtedly the situation down there would've been much different if they had a 2nd amendment. But alas, things like this do happen every day to our neighbors:Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHZGOSxfwgk
No one is seeking to repeal the 2nd Amendment. That argument is called misdirection. Just some commonsense restrictions would be nice and perfectly constitutional. Once again, why concealed?
You're just going to ignore that dead seven year old kid aren't you?
HAHAHA...If you believe Cheney's incident was an accident, then you must be the one with the low IQ. Knowing the man, nothing Cheney does is by accident.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
I won't ignore him. But if you think I will be moved by your logical fallacy using the appeal to emotion then my dear! you are sorely mistaken.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
100s of people are murdered every weekend in the states and nobody knows there names.
Or sure, a life is only an emotional appeal. You conservatives tell us all the time how sacred life is, unless its taken by a firearm...than it's less than a statistic. Here's the statistic.
Accidental firearm deaths accounted for 851 funerals. It may seem a small number considering the total deaths for the year exceeded 2.5 million, but if your family member was among them it would have been a tragic loss. (From http://www.policymic.com/articles/21...uns-in-the-u-s ).
Those are killed by gangs (many on the street of Chicago and DC which had a long term ban on guns to no avail). Outlawing guns will not stop those murders. Criminals do not abide by the law.Quote:
Originally Posted by be2378
So your plan is repealing the 2nd amendment.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
Again, no one wants to outlaw guns. Stick to the point. Making guns harder to get in Wisconsin and Iowa may indeed diminish the murder rate in Chicago. How about, closing the gun show loophole? Why make it so easy to buy guns and ammunition over the internet?
No, I'm now saying for the second time. I am a hunter. I not for repealing the 2nd Amendment. I don't know anyone who is.Quote:
Originally Posted by african1
Did you try to buy a gun online? Do you know how hard it is?Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
So why you keep attacking guns and gun owners trying to limit their freedoms and the way they can use their weapons?Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
Federal law and interstate commerce statutes apply then. I doubt anyone wants to deal with that unless they really have to.Quote:
Originally Posted by african1
It would be silly to attack guns, they're inanimate objects. Putting restrictions on firearms is not attacking gun owners. That's like saying traffic laws are an attack on cars and car owners. The point of gun laws is to reduce risk to gun owners and the general populace.
With millions of firearms on the black market, I doubt it.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
so what kind of laws you ought to see passing?Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
I already mentioned gun show loopholes. Close 'em.
The people wrongly shot by guns far exceeds the people rightly shot by guns.
If you say Zimmerman is innocent, then you have to say Travon would have been innocent if he wrestled the gun away and shot Zimmerman. Self Defense.
So because those people are so called bad people its ok. Some of them are kids under 17. Who were innocent. Like the girl who was killed who sang for the president. I guess she was really in the wrong place in the wrong time.Quote:
Originally Posted by african1
It's like drugs,a war the goverment can't win.
And you know this because you have clearly studied other judicial systems and come to this conclusion via empirical evidence, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by CORVETTEDUDE
It's not my intent to demean your opinion, just trying to make a point.
I can just print my gun and amuntion
I can print an AR15 OR A 1000 MAGIZINE
the plans where available online
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Originally Posted by trish
obviously the solution is to establish the compulsory carrying of firearms for the entire population. is very simple: if your you shoot me therefore I will shoot to you, the two we die and the problem this resolved, without trial without jury, law of the jungle ...
the media is at fault for these tv shows that they grab and ride for no reason. the media is to blame for always bringing up the race card. i know within a week they will find another tragic accident in this country and start all over again. sad but true.
Only thing I can add is I think we can all agree that it's sad someone as young as Travyon was killed. 17 years old and dead. I don't blame his parents for being angry, and I don't blame Zimmerman either. I can't because I wasn't there.
It is obvious from your previous comments that you want more gun restrictions. The problem is that once the GOV starts nipping at people's rights, there is no stopping them. One by one they will take them all. Though you may confess to being a gun enthusiast (due to your hunting past) but statements like: "A gun in your home is more likely to be involved in an accidental shooting or used by family member to commit suicide than actually employed in protecting the family." lean more towards gun control and complete firearm ownership banning than towards a more regulated right.Quote:
Originally Posted by trish
thank you MaddyGirl. THANK YOU
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http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/images/icons/icon1.gif Re: The George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin Travesty
Only thing I can add is I think we can all agree that it's sad someone as young as Travyon was killed. 17 years old and dead. I don't blame his parents for being angry, and I don't blame Zimmerman either. I can't because I wasn't there.
THANK YOU MADDY GIRL
I commend your honesty in admitting that writing it in plain English too.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrwaxler
I'll blame Zimmerman for you then...and I wasn't there either.Quote:
Originally Posted by maddygirl
Oh the ol' slippery slope argument. That's a hoary, if fallacious one. Let the government deny you the right to carry nitroglycerin and next they won't let you have a water pistol. Give me a break. Oh wait, the Texas legislature allows you to carry firearms into their chambers, but not water guns, water balloons, or overripe fruit. How fucked up is that?Quote:
Originally Posted by african1
I didn't confess anything. I volunteered that I was hunter; that's not the same thing as a gun enthusiast. Enthusiasm over a hard, steel rolled barrel that shoots projectiles into soft pliant flesh is something you may or may not experience. I certainly don't.Quote:
Though you may confess to being a gun enthusiast (due to your hunting past)
It's a statement of fact. If the only solution you can see is banning guns, then maybe you're on the wrong side of the argument. I'm merely suggesting that even though it's your right to keep a firearm at home, it nevertheless increases your family's risk of injury and death.Quote:
but statements like: "A gun in your home is more likely to be involved in an accidental shooting or used by family member to commit suicide than actually employed in protecting the family." lean more towards gun control and complete firearm ownership banning than towards a more regulated right.
I don't know why people are pissed the Hispanic got off. The white guy wasn't on trial. The Hispanic got off with all white women the jury. What's the problem? If it was old white guys on the jury, then sure.
Go ahead, you can, doesn't mean you're right or know the situation first hand. If it was life or death and he shot him I don't blame him..Quote:
Originally Posted by nysprod