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Hmm..... I wonder if there's a correlation between being a Star Trek fan/Sci-Fi geek and having a sexual attraction to TG/TS/Ladyboys?:wink:
I don't know but Kirk is rumored to fuck anything .
http://i.eprci.net/klingon-porn-2
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notdrunk
Yes, Starfleet is the Space Navy; however, there has been a balance when it came to their ships. Starfleet rarely built a ship that was meant for war before a war has began. For example, the Akira class and Saber class first appeared during the Dominion War. A Federation Dreadnought Class ship was only mentioned in books (non-canon) and alternate realities were the Federation was at war. Starfleet has been reactionary more so than proactive when it comes to war. In this alternative reality, Starfleet has been proactive in ways to defend itself. Starfleet has been focused on the military aspect of their mission more so their exploration aspect. In the original timeline, Kirk wasn't the first Captain to start and complete a five year mission. There were at least two Captains that finished a five year mission before Kirk took command of the Enterprise.
Ohhhhh ..... that is 10 more years of secret data to exploit for it's future military potential .
On The Big Bang Theory episode that is on at the moment Will Wheaton is on and Sheldon told him in Kling that Revenge is a dish served best cold . Like he really knows how to do it . In order to speak true Kling you must spit . There is no other way . True Klingon is a Spitfest .
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notdrunk
1.) Agreed
2.) Agreed that it doesn't make sense
3.) Agreed that it is impossible. It was supposed to be "cool" scenes.
4.) Remember, Starfleet changed since the USS Kelvin was blown up by a powerful ship. Starfleet has become more militaristic.
5.) Something similar happened on Enterprise with Tucker and T'Pol. So, there is some leeway on this matter.
6.) Section 31 did deep space scans of unknown space to find the ship. Starfleet's technology jumped ahead because the USS Kelvin performed scans of the Narada.
7.) USS Enterprise was probably refitted after the Narada battle. Again, Starfleet has become slighty more militaristic.
8.) Remember Star Trek? Spock told Scott how to do transwrap transportation and Scott used it to beam onto a ship with Kirk. Apparently, Scott told Starfleet about the technology; however, Starfleet made it top secret.
11.) Praxis was fan service. And, it was a moon of Qo'nos.
13.) Khan went crazy like he did in the Wrath of Khan. He was cracking skulls with his hands.
15.) Section 31 has always been messy. In Deep Space Nine, they tried to examinate a species through biological warfare.
21.) Admiral Marcus, the bad guy, wanted him dead because he would of exposed his secrets if captured.
22.) The timeline was changed; therefore, there is a chance that attitudes changed too.
24.) Fan service and to show that this is an alternate universe.
25.) Some time passed since he got a blood transfusion before he started the 5 year mission. Maybe he was cleared during that time? Additionally, Bashir was allowed to serve in Starfleet.
26.) Which ships used pulse cannons?
28.) McCoy isn't a math professor!
1: Okay
2: Okay
3: Okay
4: Starfleet has lost many ships throughout its history, from the Klingons, Romulans, Gorn, and possibly the Tholians, all of those shios would have been built for combat and yet Starfleet still did not change its doctrine.
5: Yes but they were the only ship out there at the time, this Enterprise is not. Also it did not affect their duties, only their personal lives.
6: Okay I could give you that but Section 31 is a well oiled machine that would have probably started using "Khan" on another planet and not Earth. Section 31 is not that stupid.
7: See answer #4.
8: Yes I know, but Scotty from the prime timeline developed this "transwarp" transporters, Starfleet did not have transwarp at the time of Nemesis how would Scotty have the tech?
11: I understand that but in the movie the to planetoids are literally touching that is physically impossible.
13: But Khan did not go crazy in TWOK he was angry and pissed off, but he did not freak out and cave peoples heads in. He was passionate about killing Kirk, he was not a psychopath.
15: When I say messy I don't mean how far they will go I mean how sloppy of a job they did they have been established since the founding of the Federation and have remained in secret for 200 years, they are not stupid.
21: If he was working with Section 31 or is the director of Section 31 he went about killing Kirk very badly he could have destroyed Kirk even when he was back on Earth, whether Kirk had that recording or not. Marcus could just sight his record and Kirks record and let the people decide for themselves.
22: Yes things can change but not always. For me I use my own experience of how feelings can change. In 2003 when we invaded Iraq I being in 8th grade and 15 years old, I was completely and utterly against the invasion and know that they had nothing to do with 9/11 or had WMDs, as did a lot of people. Even after soldiers started to die a lot of people changed their stance on the war at that point and supported it, I held my ground no matter how many soldiers were dieing or what any one said, I was passionate, and nothing could change my feelings about it. And I have to believe that if this was a new time line that is at the most only 30 years separate things have not changed that much and I would still be who and what I am.
24: Yes but "Khan" had nothing to do with it if anything it would have been Marcus who was more responsible. In TWOK Khan was personally involved in this and it was his doing that stranded Kirk. Also unlike in TWOK Kirk yelling Khan was very good acting and showed his frustration and hatred. "Spock"s hatred was miss directed, and the acting was horrible and the whole scene seemed forced. "Kirk" did not even have any signs of radiation sickness unlike Spock in TWOK.
25: Okay yes sometime but they do not convey that in the movie. Bashir was only allowed to enter because he hid it, and was only allowed to stay after they worked out a deal for his father to go to jail. And only after he had a good service record and had proved himself. "Kirk" on the other hand does not have a good service record.
26: Both the Enterprise and Marcus' ship used pulse phasers, and in the first movie the Kelvin had pulse phasers, and the Kelvin had them before the timeline changed explain that.
28: McKoy does not say that "Khan" said that to "Kirk"
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volkov2006
24: Yes but "Khan" had nothing to do with it if anything it would have been Marcus who was more responsible. In TWOK Khan was personally involved in this and it was his doing that stranded Kirk. Also unlike in TWOK Kirk yelling Khan was very good acting and showed his frustration and hatred. "Spock"s hatred was miss directed, and the acting was horrible and the whole scene seemed forced. "Kirk" did not even have any signs of radiation sickness unlike Spock in TWOK.
This is my biggest gripe with this movie. This scene ruined my entire viewing experience. :(
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volkov2006
25: Okay yes sometime but they do not convey that in the movie. Bashir was only allowed to enter because he hid it, and was only allowed to stay after they worked out a deal for his father to go to jail. And only after he had a good service record and had proved himself. "Kirk" on the other hand does not have a good service record.
That's arguable. On the surface, Kirk is a terrible officer and entirely insubordinate. In the original timeline, he didn't get that way until he had become a good officer and saved the world a few times. I understand that the reboot changed the characters, but his youth and impulsiveness should have barred him from commanding a ship until AFTER he was was a crew member. I find it interesting that Starfleet gave Kirk a ship for beating Nero even though he wasn't ready, threatened to send him all the way back to the Academy for violating the Prime Directive (versus the more appropriate demotion to Commander), and after he saves the world, again by ignoring orders, they send him on a 5 year mission as what is essentially am ambassador of the Federation. He's waaay too young for that.
Say whaaaa?!
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26: Both the Enterprise and Marcus' ship used pulse phasers, and in the first movie the Kelvin had pulse phasers, and the Kelvin had them before the timeline changed explain that.
True, but the Star Wars-esque effect didn't belong in that movie, either.
~BB~
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volkov2006
1: Okay
2: Okay
3: Okay
4: Starfleet has lost many ships throughout its history, from the Klingons, Romulans, Gorn, and possibly the Tholians, all of those shios would have been built for combat and yet Starfleet still did not change its doctrine.
5: Yes but they were the only ship out there at the time, this Enterprise is not. Also it did not affect their duties, only their personal lives.
6: Okay I could give you that but Section 31 is a well oiled machine that would have probably started using "Khan" on another planet and not Earth. Section 31 is not that stupid.
7: See answer #4.
8: Yes I know, but Scotty from the prime timeline developed this "transwarp" transporters, Starfleet did not have transwarp at the time of Nemesis how would Scotty have the tech?
11: I understand that but in the movie the to planetoids are literally touching that is physically impossible.
13: But Khan did not go crazy in TWOK he was angry and pissed off, but he did not freak out and cave peoples heads in. He was passionate about killing Kirk, he was not a psychopath.
15: When I say messy I don't mean how far they will go I mean how sloppy of a job they did they have been established since the founding of the Federation and have remained in secret for 200 years, they are not stupid.
21: If he was working with Section 31 or is the director of Section 31 he went about killing Kirk very badly he could have destroyed Kirk even when he was back on Earth, whether Kirk had that recording or not. Marcus could just sight his record and Kirks record and let the people decide for themselves.
22: Yes things can change but not always. For me I use my own experience of how feelings can change. In 2003 when we invaded Iraq I being in 8th grade and 15 years old, I was completely and utterly against the invasion and know that they had nothing to do with 9/11 or had WMDs, as did a lot of people. Even after soldiers started to die a lot of people changed their stance on the war at that point and supported it, I held my ground no matter how many soldiers were dieing or what any one said, I was passionate, and nothing could change my feelings about it. And I have to believe that if this was a new time line that is at the most only 30 years separate things have not changed that much and I would still be who and what I am.
24: Yes but "Khan" had nothing to do with it if anything it would have been Marcus who was more responsible. In TWOK Khan was personally involved in this and it was his doing that stranded Kirk. Also unlike in TWOK Kirk yelling Khan was very good acting and showed his frustration and hatred. "Spock"s hatred was miss directed, and the acting was horrible and the whole scene seemed forced. "Kirk" did not even have any signs of radiation sickness unlike Spock in TWOK.
25: Okay yes sometime but they do not convey that in the movie. Bashir was only allowed to enter because he hid it, and was only allowed to stay after they worked out a deal for his father to go to jail. And only after he had a good service record and had proved himself. "Kirk" on the other hand does not have a good service record.
26: Both the Enterprise and Marcus' ship used pulse phasers, and in the first movie the Kelvin had pulse phasers, and the Kelvin had them before the timeline changed explain that.
28: McKoy does not say that "Khan" said that to "Kirk"
4.) True; however, Starfleet almost had technological plurality with those people except the Borg. Starfleet could equally destroy Klingons, Romulans, and the Gorn with their ships. Starfleet reacted to the Borg by designing the Defiant Class. When the USS Kelvin was destroyed by an unknown powerful ship, it was a different era of Starfleet. They weren't the powerful Starfleet that explored vast areas of space.
8.) According to prime Spock and Scotty, the problem with transwarp transporting was the equation. It wasn't a technological issue.
13.) In TWOK, Khan did have psychopath tendencies. For example, the majority of Genesis Project team was murdered by Khan and his group.
21.) It wouldn't of fit Marcus' narrative. Marcus wanted war with the Klingons. The destruction of the Enterprise by the Klingons was going to be the casus belli. Marcus thought Kirk would of murdered Khan to revenge the death of Pike.
25.) Kirk saved Earth from destruction. So, I think that looks good in his file.
26.) I thought they were phaser banks the emitted bolts instead of a stream? An USS Kelvin officer flew into a phaser bank.
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volkov2006
8: Transporting from London to Qo'noS, really why have starship then? To have transwarp transporting you first must understand transwarp technology. Last I looked Starfleet did not have transwarp capabilities, only the Borg did, and Starfleet does not use Borg tech.
As I understand it, transwarp transportation was suggested by Scotty as a means of travelling to an adjacent planet or between ships travelling at warp speed, not as a replacement for starships allowing transporter use from one star system to another hundreds of parsecs distant (see http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Transwarp_beaming). That level of teleportation is what you'd expect of Q, not of Starfleet.
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notdrunk
4.) True; however, Starfleet almost had technological plurality with those people except the Borg. Starfleet could equally destroy Klingons, Romulans, and the Gorn with their ships. Starfleet reacted to the Borg by designing the Defiant Class. When the USS Kelvin was destroyed by an unknown powerful ship, it was a different era of Starfleet. They weren't the powerful Starfleet that explored vast areas of space.
8.) According to prime Spock and Scotty, the problem with transwarp transporting was the equation. It wasn't a technological issue.
13.) In TWOK, Khan did have psychopath tendencies. For example, the majority of Genesis Project team was murdered by Khan and his group.
21.) It wouldn't of fit Marcus' narrative. Marcus wanted war with the Klingons. The destruction of the Enterprise by the Klingons was going to be the casus belli. Marcus thought Kirk would of murdered Khan to revenge the death of Pike.
25.) Kirk saved Earth from destruction. So, I think that looks good in his file.
26.) I thought they were phaser banks the emitted bolts instead of a stream? An USS Kelvin officer flew into a phaser bank.
4: True the developed the Defiant Class after the Battle of Wolf 359, they also developed the Akira, Norway, Saber, Steamrunner, Nova, and Prometheus Classes, also not all of those were designed for combat. Also it was in response to 39 Starfleet vessels, an unknown number of Klingon vessels, and the possibility of an unknown number of Romulan vessels, as well as Romulan outposts. This was just one ship and they throw everything out the airlock for one starship being lost. Also the last thing these shuttles would have seen of this ship was it listing and disabled, so would there report not reflect that. So the though of Starfleet Command would just keep a task force of starships at the ready for a conflict with this ship again. Also the Defiant Class was designed to supplement other non combat oriented ships like the Galaxy or the Excelsior classes, not to be a all out destroy all ship, that this Enterprise became.
8: But if it is just a formula problem and not a technological problem why is transwarp so hard then too, transwarp transporting and transwarp seems to be very closely related I just don't think you can have one with out the other.
13: They also said that he killed them during interrogation the people that this "Khan" killed was just to kill them. Also Khan usually does not kill unless it gets him something and not just to do it, if he wanted to just kill why did he not kill every one in Space Seed, in fact he stopped his crew from doing just that.
21: But a large contingent of Klingons were just killed with a Federation phaser rifle, the Klingons would have attacked anyway. I am sure that at least one of those ships must have reported they were under attack from a Human, and Klingons believe all humans are from Starfleet.
25: That is one thing in a sea of bad marks, if someone is a soldier who commits a murder and rape do you still consider them a hero? Or if someone who murdered a person, stole a car, and kidnapped someone and then pulled a person from a burning building would they still be a hero?
26: The Kelvin had phaser beam(the Red ones) it also had pulse phasers( the blue ones) The Enterprise was firing pulse phasers they left the emitters and continued to the target, beam phasers would nore than likely since that is what is shown would have been emitted and continue to the target essentially connecting both ships.
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Ecstatic
As I understand it, transwarp transportation was suggested by Scotty as a means of travelling to an adjacent planet or between ships travelling at warp speed, not as a replacement for starships allowing transporter use from one star system to another hundreds of parsecs distant (see
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Transwarp_beaming). That level of teleportation is what you'd expect of Q, not of Starfleet.
True and I would have no problem if he transported to a ship or the moon(Luna) but to transport from London to Qo'noS seems a little stretch. I just think it is a little to much.
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Cecil Rhodes
STARFLEET is militaristic . It always has been . It is not only Research & Explorative, it is a PEACEKEEPING service . It may be more defensive than offensive, but in the end there is little difference when the shit hits the fan . STARFLEET is a Naval Service . It has FLEET in it's name . It's ranks are Naval . Not only do Navies have Military Duties, they have Exploration, Research & Scientific ones aswell . Even the smallest Navies on Earth have a Oceanographic Survey or Research Vessel of some type .
When the United States Military finally gets into Space it will be the Navy, not the Air Force that is charge . As far as Land/Planetary Forces are concerned, they will again fall under the Navy by way of the Marines . Space/Planetary Fighters, Bombers, Small Craft etc will fail under Naval Aviation with a Marine Section aswell . Any Space Force that is created afterward will be nothing more than an offshoot branch/service off the Navy .
STARFLEET has a Marine Corps . Kirk mentioned them before the Away Team went down to Kronos . STARFLEET International, the Largest Star Trek Fan Club ( Officially Licensed and recognized by Paramount and the Roddenberry Estate ) has a separate branch called the STARFLEET Marine Corps. / SFMC . They have been around for 3 decades . They use Civil Air Patrol Ribbon Medals for their Fruit Salad . CAP doesn't like it to much but they can't do anything about it . SFMC members make no qualms about being a Military Group .
There were some fans that I know that were considering making a custom colored TNG/DS9 uniform . They were going to be STARFLEET Research & Development . That was just their cover . They were actually going to STARFLEET Intelligence . You don't think that the TOS 5 year mission was for Kirk to fuck every female alien he came into contact with ? The data they collected had to go somewhere . Remember the Genesis Planet ? In ST3 McCoy was asking questions about it and as a result was making certain people very concerned . Who were those people ? It is not hard to figure out .
As far Missile Tubes go, who saw TUSC/ST6 ?
Bat'lith .... I d on't remember seeing one and I was looking . Then again I have a costume made one myself . Mine is awesome and it gets a lot of attention ....... lmao
Sorry for the triple post
In ST3 the person at eh bar was Starfleet Intelligence not Section 31 they are completely different entities.
In ST6 they were in the torpedo tube that was in the neck of the ship these missile tubes were along the engineering section hull.
Saying that Starfleet is a peacekeeping group is like saying that the US is the world police although a lot of people want to think that but we are not.
The Klingons were using Bat'liths they were just redesigned and looked horrible, as far as I know they have no other weapons that look anything like the bat'lith.
We are talking about Star Trek the TV series and movies not what the fans do even if they are Officially Licensed and recognized by Paramount and the Roddenberry Estate does not mean anything. As a fan I could do things an be recognized by them and not every fan will, does that mean that it is canon?
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volkov2006
Sorry for the triple post
In ST3 the person at eh bar was Starfleet Intelligence not Section 31 they are completely different entities.
In ST6 they were in the torpedo tube that was in the neck of the ship these missile tubes were along the engineering section hull.
Saying that Starfleet is a peacekeeping group is like saying that the US is the world police although a lot of people want to think that but we are not.
The Klingons were using Bat'liths they were just redesigned and looked horrible, as far as I know they have no other weapons that look anything like the bat'lith.
We are talking about Star Trek the TV series and movies not what the fans do even if they are Officially Licensed and recognized by Paramount and the Roddenberry Estate does not mean anything. As a fan I could do things an be recognized by them and not every fan will, does that mean that it is canon?
I wasn't referring to Section 13 directly, but I was speaking about SF Intel regardless .I didn't even know about Section 31until this movie .
I was looking for something on bing re: Trek last night and came across a custom Section 31 uniform . It turned out to similar to the one I mentioned someone came up with in 1994 .
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As long as there is a Kirk you all can go fuck your selves!
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SXFX
As long as there is a Kirk you all can go fuck your selves!
The only person that I know off that claims to be able to do that is Liberty Harkness .
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1: They are trying to stay true to the Prime Directive by not letting the indigenous population see them. A few problems with that that "Spock" did not mention. If the indigenous population is on the verge of extinction by a natural disaster and is not technologically advanced enough to stop it, they are not allowed and can not interfere.
Thats not what the PD says - it says you cant effect their societies development. It's fine to save them as long as you dont let them see you doing it.
2: The "cold fusion" devise that "Spock" uses makes absolutely no sense. The Enterprises impulse engines are powered by cold fusion reactors, why would this device act like a cryo bomb device. Also freezing the volcano would that also not freeze the entire mantel of the planet dooming if further?
In the theory it is super cold thus freezing the surface lava but not the core of the planet - effectively capping the volcano.
3: The Enterprise under water, 1: the nacelles would be torn off from the nacelle struts( this ship was designed for space travel not going into a gas giant or an ocean). 2: The salt water would get into the Bussard collectors and cause problems to the overall operation of the ship.
You have spent way too long looking at fictional specs of a fictional spaceship which is of course a different spaceship to the one in this universe
4: Starfleets uniforms are way to militaristic, they are explorers not soldiers, they remind me of WWII German Army uniforms.
Following the events of the first film with the crazy time travelling Romulans - Starfleet has lost the calming influence of the Vulcans and has headed down a darker path.
5: "Spock" and "Uhura"s relationship would not be allowed on ship it interferes with the way they preform their duties.
Really - and this rule is written where? You just said they were explorers not pure military
6: "Khan" was located in deep space during Kirks historic 5-year mission and they just stumbled on to the SS Botany Bay. How did the Admiral find him so easily?
Post crazy time travelling Romulans Starfleet has been more proactive - they already encountered the Gorn for instance.
7: Since when does the Enterprise have missile tubes, it is an exploration vessel not a combat vessel.
See 2 + Photon torpedos I rememeber lots and lots of photon torpedos in TOS - Have you see the end of Wrath of Khan
8: Transporting from London to Qo'noS, really why have starship then? To have transwarp transporting you first must understand transwarp technology. Last I looked Starfleet did not have transwarp capabilities, only the Borg did, and Starfleet does not use Borg tech.
See film 1 of this series
9: Personal communicators have a range that reaches from Klingon space to Earth? Last I looked they were used for surface to ship and internal ship communications only. They are not cell phones.
See transwarp answer to Q 8
10: The Ketha province on Qo'noS was uninhabited? Last I looked that is where the House of Martok lives. And the Klingons that were there were not of the House of Martok the brow ridges are completely wrong.
See film 1 - crazy time travelling Romulans.
11: Praxis is apparently in contact with the Qo'noS how are those two planetoids still in one piece, the gravametric shear would tear them both apart.
Huh? Are you watching the same shows as the rest of us?
12: Why is there still disease on Earth? After first contact poverty, DISEASE, and war are all gone.
Since when - All through TOS McCoy is constantly fighting disease
13: "Khan" was way to emotional and brutal. He was also messy when he attached the emergency council why use a ship that have pulse like phasers, why not a bomb of a projectile that could take the whole room out at once? He is supposed to be a genius.
Okay lets explain his plot "Spoilers ahead" Khan wants the attack to fail - he wants some Starfleet guys to come after him because he wants the Admiral to use his new mega ship so he can steal it - his whole plan is to get on board that ship. He knows the Admiral wants to start a war with the Klingons and he is giving him a plausible reason to go there and stir up the hornets nest
14: "Spock" melds with "Pike" without consent, yes Spock does that with McKoy in TWOK to save his contra. What this "Spock" did is considered in Vulcan philosophy a form of rape.
Vulcan got blown up - Philospophy may have changed drastically.
15: Section 31 was way to messy in my opinion.
Sigh
16: A secret shipyard in orbit of a Jupiter moon? Apparently Jupiter Station could not see it?
Things have changes significantly
17: I hate the Enterprise warp core design is laughable at best and makes absolutely no sense if you understand the way warp drive functions.
You do know Warp drives are fictional right
18: The Enterprise brig apparently does not use force fields any more? Why are they using what I can tell is transparent aluminum, and if it is how does that hole thingy move trough it?
So technology is different after the time line diversed 25 years early - how surprising.
19: How did the Enterprise make it though the Neutral Zone with out the Klingons not see them coming, and they were adrift in Klingon space for how long with out being found.
See film 1
20: "Pike" was give command of the Enterprise again, he was a cripple he would not have been chosen for the new captain. Captains are like astronauts they have to be in good physical condition.
Since when?
21: Starfleet/Federation does not have nor believes in the death penalty.
Time travelling crazy Vulcan destroying Romulans have changed 25 years of the timeline - how do you know what they now believe
22: Karol Marcus is a scientist and not a part of Starfleet and does not like Starfleet.
In a totally different timeline that diverged 25+ years ago
23: The design of the Klingon bat'leth looks hideous, the original one was much better.
Sigh
24: "Spock" yelling "Khan" seems way to forced and in completely out of character.
FFS - the only person he can even remotely call a friend just dies and his half human side just kicked into high gear - he can yell what the hell he wants
25: Starfleet does not allow augments such as "Khan" to serve in Starfleet. When Kirk is saved using "Khan"s blood even though it does not change his personality or physical ability, but non the less makes him partly augment and would be striped of command until at least he went through extensive testing and even then may be discharged from Starfleet.
For hopefully the last time crazy time travelling Romulans
26: Starfleet ships using pulse phasers instead of the beam variant? Starfleet does not develop pulse phasers until the 24th century for the Defiant class.
Sorry - crazy Time Travelling Romulans
27: Weapons are now superficial attachments on starships now rather than internal systems?
Divergent timelines - divergent tech.
28: "Khan" says that he was put into stasis 300 years ago? That would put him in the late 1800s around 1896. We did not have the ability to make genetically engineered humans at that point let alone cryo stasis devices. In TWOK he says that he was sent into space in the year 1996, which to me makes much more sense than 1896 just saying.
The actual date the film starts is Feb 24 2259 so lets give Khan a pass that he was put in stasis between 2 and 3 centuries beforehand. In general conversation I dont really expect him to say 224 years and 134 days do you?
For a hard core Star Trek fan you seem to have missed the whole alternate divergent timeline thing that occured over 25 years before the events of this film and how those events have resulted in a much darker and more dangerous universe as well as a significantly damaged Klingon empire and the planet Vulcan going boom.
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Hey, I once had a conversation regarding Star Wars vs Star Trek technology . The Trekker just couldn't understand that Star Wars was because the Star Wars timeline was at least 25,000 years in the past, but Star Trek was 300 years in the future . Oh, and all of it was fiction anyway
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1: They are trying to stay true to the Prime Directive by not letting the indigenous population see them. A few problems with that that "Spock" did not mention. If the indigenous population is on the verge of extinction by a natural disaster and is not technologically advanced enough to stop it, they are not allowed and can not interfere.
Thats not what the PD says - it says you cant effect their societies development. It's fine to save them as long as you dont let them see you doing it.
2: The "cold fusion" devise that "Spock" uses makes absolutely no sense. The Enterprises impulse engines are powered by cold fusion reactors, why would this device act like a cryo bomb device. Also freezing the volcano would that also not freeze the entire mantel of the planet dooming if further?
In the theory it is super cold thus freezing the surface lava but not the core of the planet - effectively capping the volcano.
3: The Enterprise under water, 1: the nacelles would be torn off from the nacelle struts( this ship was designed for space travel not going into a gas giant or an ocean). 2: The salt water would get into the Bussard collectors and cause problems to the overall operation of the ship.
You have spent way too long looking at fictional specs of a fictional spaceship which is of course a different spaceship to the one in this universe
4: Starfleets uniforms are way to militaristic, they are explorers not soldiers, they remind me of WWII German Army uniforms.
Following the events of the first film with the crazy time travelling Romulans - Starfleet has lost the calming influence of the Vulcans and has headed down a darker path.
5: "Spock" and "Uhura"s relationship would not be allowed on ship it interferes with the way they preform their duties.
Really - and this rule is written where? You just said they were explorers not pure military
6: "Khan" was located in deep space during Kirks historic 5-year mission and they just stumbled on to the SS Botany Bay. How did the Admiral find him so easily?
Post crazy time travelling Romulans Starfleet has been more proactive - they already encountered the Gorn for instance.
7: Since when does the Enterprise have missile tubes, it is an exploration vessel not a combat vessel.
See 2 + Photon torpedos I rememeber lots and lots of photon torpedos in TOS - Have you see the end of Wrath of Khan
8: Transporting from London to Qo'noS, really why have starship then? To have transwarp transporting you first must understand transwarp technology. Last I looked Starfleet did not have transwarp capabilities, only the Borg did, and Starfleet does not use Borg tech.
See film 1 of this series
9: Personal communicators have a range that reaches from Klingon space to Earth? Last I looked they were used for surface to ship and internal ship communications only. They are not cell phones.
See transwarp answer to Q 8
10: The Ketha province on Qo'noS was uninhabited? Last I looked that is where the House of Martok lives. And the Klingons that were there were not of the House of Martok the brow ridges are completely wrong.
See film 1 - crazy time travelling Romulans.
11: Praxis is apparently in contact with the Qo'noS how are those two planetoids still in one piece, the gravametric shear would tear them both apart.
Huh? Are you watching the same shows as the rest of us?
12: Why is there still disease on Earth? After first contact poverty, DISEASE, and war are all gone.
Since when - All through TOS McCoy is constantly fighting disease
13: "Khan" was way to emotional and brutal. He was also messy when he attached the emergency council why use a ship that have pulse like phasers, why not a bomb of a projectile that could take the whole room out at once? He is supposed to be a genius.
Okay lets explain his plot "Spoilers ahead" Khan wants the attack to fail - he wants some Starfleet guys to come after him because he wants the Admiral to use his new mega ship so he can steal it - his whole plan is to get on board that ship. He knows the Admiral wants to start a war with the Klingons and he is giving him a plausible reason to go there and stir up the hornets nest
14: "Spock" melds with "Pike" without consent, yes Spock does that with McKoy in TWOK to save his contra. What this "Spock" did is considered in Vulcan philosophy a form of rape.
Vulcan got blown up - Philospophy may have changed drastically.
15: Section 31 was way to messy in my opinion.
Sigh
16: A secret shipyard in orbit of a Jupiter moon? Apparently Jupiter Station could not see it?
Things have changes significantly
17: I hate the Enterprise warp core design is laughable at best and makes absolutely no sense if you understand the way warp drive functions.
You do know Warp drives are fictional right
18: The Enterprise brig apparently does not use force fields any more? Why are they using what I can tell is transparent aluminum, and if it is how does that hole thingy move trough it?
So technology is different after the time line diversed 25 years early - how surprising.
19: How did the Enterprise make it though the Neutral Zone with out the Klingons not see them coming, and they were adrift in Klingon space for how long with out being found.
See film 1
20: "Pike" was give command of the Enterprise again, he was a cripple he would not have been chosen for the new captain. Captains are like astronauts they have to be in good physical condition.
Since when?
21: Starfleet/Federation does not have nor believes in the death penalty.
Time travelling crazy Vulcan destroying Romulans have changed 25 years of the timeline - how do you know what they now believe
22: Karol Marcus is a scientist and not a part of Starfleet and does not like Starfleet.
In a totally different timeline that diverged 25+ years ago
23: The design of the Klingon bat'leth looks hideous, the original one was much better.
Sigh
24: "Spock" yelling "Khan" seems way to forced and in completely out of character.
FFS - the only person he can even remotely call a friend just dies and his half human side just kicked into high gear - he can yell what the hell he wants
25: Starfleet does not allow augments such as "Khan" to serve in Starfleet. When Kirk is saved using "Khan"s blood even though it does not change his personality or physical ability, but non the less makes him partly augment and would be striped of command until at least he went through extensive testing and even then may be discharged from Starfleet.
For hopefully the last time crazy time travelling Romulans
26: Starfleet ships using pulse phasers instead of the beam variant? Starfleet does not develop pulse phasers until the 24th century for the Defiant class.
Sorry - crazy Time Travelling Romulans
27: Weapons are now superficial attachments on starships now rather than internal systems?
Divergent timelines - divergent tech.
28: "Khan" says that he was put into stasis 300 years ago? That would put him in the late 1800s around 1896. We did not have the ability to make genetically engineered humans at that point let alone cryo stasis devices. In TWOK he says that he was sent into space in the year 1996, which to me makes much more sense than 1896 just saying.
The actual date the film starts is Feb 24 2259 so lets give Khan a pass that he was put in stasis between 2 and 3 centuries beforehand. In general conversation I dont really expect him to say 224 years and 134 days do you?
For a hard core Star Trek fan you seem to have missed the whole alternate divergent timeline thing that occured over 25 years before the events of this film and how those events have resulted in a much darker and more dangerous universe as well as a significantly damaged Klingon empire and the planet Vulcan going boom.
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2: The "cold fusion" devise that "Spock" uses makes absolutely no sense. The Enterprises impulse engines are powered by cold fusion reactors, why would this device act like a cryo bomb device. Also freezing the volcano would that also not freeze the entire mantel of the planet dooming if further?
In the theory it is super cold thus freezing the surface lava but not the core of the planet - effectively capping the volcano.
Actually cold fusion is not super cold; theoretically it occurs at room temperature, which while relatively "super cold" compared with the millions of degrees at which normal fusion occurs (as in the sun), it's still above the freezing point of water and would not "freeze" a volcano. It's an utterly silly misapplication of physics based on no more than a misinterpretation of the descriptive name "cold fusion."
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1: They are trying to stay true to the Prime Directive by not letting the indigenous population see them. A few problems with that that "Spock" did not mention. If the indigenous population is on the verge of extinction by a natural disaster and is not technologically advanced enough to stop it, they are not allowed and can not interfere.
Thats not what the PD says - it says you cant effect their societies development. It's fine to save them as long as you dont let them see you doing it.
2: The "cold fusion" devise that "Spock" uses makes absolutely no sense. The Enterprises impulse engines are powered by cold fusion reactors, why would this device act like a cryo bomb device. Also freezing the volcano would that also not freeze the entire mantel of the planet dooming if further?
In the theory it is super cold thus freezing the surface lava but not the core of the planet - effectively capping the volcano.
3: The Enterprise under water, 1: the nacelles would be torn off from the nacelle struts( this ship was designed for space travel not going into a gas giant or an ocean). 2: The salt water would get into the Bussard collectors and cause problems to the overall operation of the ship.
You have spent way too long looking at fictional specs of a fictional spaceship which is of course a different spaceship to the one in this universe
4: Starfleets uniforms are way to militaristic, they are explorers not soldiers, they remind me of WWII German Army uniforms.
Following the events of the first film with the crazy time travelling Romulans - Starfleet has lost the calming influence of the Vulcans and has headed down a darker path.
5: "Spock" and "Uhura"s relationship would not be allowed on ship it interferes with the way they preform their duties.
Really - and this rule is written where? You just said they were explorers not pure military
6: "Khan" was located in deep space during Kirks historic 5-year mission and they just stumbled on to the SS Botany Bay. How did the Admiral find him so easily?
Post crazy time travelling Romulans Starfleet has been more proactive - they already encountered the Gorn for instance.
7: Since when does the Enterprise have missile tubes, it is an exploration vessel not a combat vessel.
See 2 + Photon torpedos I rememeber lots and lots of photon torpedos in TOS - Have you see the end of Wrath of Khan
I understand that they have 2 photon torpedo tubes I am talking about the missile tubes in the Enterprises engineering sections hull.
8: Transporting from London to Qo'noS, really why have starship then? To have transwarp transporting you first must understand transwarp technology. Last I looked Starfleet did not have transwarp capabilities, only the Borg did, and Starfleet does not use Borg tech.
See film 1 of this series
9: Personal communicators have a range that reaches from Klingon space to Earth? Last I looked they were used for surface to ship and internal ship communications only. They are not cell phones.
See transwarp answer to Q 8
10: The Ketha province on Qo'noS was uninhabited? Last I looked that is where the House of Martok lives. And the Klingons that were there were not of the House of Martok the brow ridges are completely wrong.
See film 1 - crazy time travelling Romulans.
11: Praxis is apparently in contact with the Qo'noS how are those two planetoids still in one piece, the gravametric shear would tear them both apart.
Huh? Are you watching the same shows as the rest of us?
Yes I am watching the same shows and movies I own them all, I am talking about that the surfaces are actually touching, not that they are just talking to each other.
12: Why is there still disease on Earth? After first contact poverty, DISEASE, and war are all gone.
Since when - All through TOS McCoy is constantly fighting disease
Yes other diseases from out in space I am talking about on Earth, that is what made the Earth paradise.
13: "Khan" was way to emotional and brutal. He was also messy when he attached the emergency council why use a ship that have pulse like phasers, why not a bomb of a projectile that could take the whole room out at once? He is supposed to be a genius.
Okay lets explain his plot "Spoilers ahead" Khan wants the attack to fail - he wants some Starfleet guys to come after him because he wants the Admiral to use his new mega ship so he can steal it - his whole plan is to get on board that ship. He knows the Admiral wants to start a war with the Klingons and he is giving him a plausible reason to go there and stir up the hornets nest
14: "Spock" melds with "Pike" without consent, yes Spock does that with McKoy in TWOK to save his contra. What this "Spock" did is considered in Vulcan philosophy a form of rape.
Vulcan got blown up - Philospophy may have changed drastically.
So anytime that there is a change in the way a population live or a catastrophic change rape is then acceptable? So after 9/11 it was okay for everyone to rape people in the streets?
15: Section 31 was way to messy in my opinion.
Sigh
16: A secret shipyard in orbit of a Jupiter moon? Apparently Jupiter Station could not see it?
Things have changes significantly
17: I hate the Enterprise warp core design is laughable at best and makes absolutely no sense if you understand the way warp drive functions.
You do know Warp drives are fictional right
Yes this is a passion of mine.
18: The Enterprise brig apparently does not use force fields any more? Why are they using what I can tell is transparent aluminum, and if it is how does that hole thingy move trough it?
So technology is different after the time line diversed 25 years early - how surprising.
So physics have completely changes in a new timeline as well?
19: How did the Enterprise make it though the Neutral Zone with out the Klingons not see them coming, and they were adrift in Klingon space for how long with out being found.
See film 1
That does not explain anything. Unless you are telling me that the Klingons only have 1 fleet.
20: "Pike" was give command of the Enterprise again, he was a cripple he would not have been chosen for the new captain. Captains are like astronauts they have to be in good physical condition.
Since when?
21: Starfleet/Federation does not have nor believes in the death penalty.
Time travelling crazy Vulcan destroying Romulans have changed 25 years of the timeline - how do you know what they now believe
22: Karol Marcus is a scientist and not a part of Starfleet and does not like Starfleet.
In a totally different timeline that diverged 25+ years ago
23: The design of the Klingon bat'leth looks hideous, the original one was much better.
Sigh
Again a passion.
24: "Spock" yelling "Khan" seems way to forced and in completely out of character.
FFS - the only person he can even remotely call a friend just dies and his half human side just kicked into high gear - he can yell what the hell he wants
25: Starfleet does not allow augments such as "Khan" to serve in Starfleet. When Kirk is saved using "Khan"s blood even though it does not change his personality or physical ability, but non the less makes him partly augment and would be striped of command until at least he went through extensive testing and even then may be discharged from Starfleet.
For hopefully the last time crazy time travelling Romulans
26: Starfleet ships using pulse phasers instead of the beam variant? Starfleet does not develop pulse phasers until the 24th century for the Defiant class.
Sorry - crazy Time Travelling Romulans
27: Weapons are now superficial attachments on starships now rather than internal systems?
Divergent timelines - divergent tech.
28: "Khan" says that he was put into stasis 300 years ago? That would put him in the late 1800s around 1896. We did not have the ability to make genetically engineered humans at that point let alone cryo stasis devices. In TWOK he says that he was sent into space in the year 1996, which to me makes much more sense than 1896 just saying.
The actual date the film starts is Feb 24 2259 so lets give Khan a pass that he was put in stasis between 2 and 3 centuries beforehand. In general conversation I dont really expect him to say 224 years and 134 days do you?
For a hard core Star Trek fan you seem to have missed the whole alternate divergent timeline thing that occured over 25 years before the events of this film and how those events have resulted in a much darker and more dangerous universe as well as a significantly damaged Klingon empire and the planet Vulcan going boom.
Forgive me for liking Star Trek and it being a very good passion for me. It is a very good thing to look forward to, a better time when all humans work for the betterment of all human kind. Racism, sexism, bigotry, poverty, disease, and war are all a thing of the past it is something I would hope all people would want a better future than what we have coming.
Also using the alternate timeline argument is the easy way out. It is like saying homosexuality is wrong, you can not give any other reasons but to say that it is wrong.
Also I understand that this is an alternate time line, but people asked me for my Star Trek fan analysis. I am a hardcore Star Trek fan TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, TMP, and TNG movies, I am not a fan of these movies, that is what this list was for.
Also why in this thread I get asked for things and when I do am instantly attacked and destroyed for what I like? I am sure all of you have passions that not everyone understands, so why is this so different for me. I have tried to make a good conversation and have a somewhat good debate and all I get is people yelling that I am not a true fan, or that I have no life.
In conclusion if no one wants my my opinion without attacking my passion I will stop. If we can continue with a good debate like some of us have had then thank you, if not then I give up. I am tired of getting attacked for what I like, I get enough of that from my family and friends. This was one of the last places of sanctuary for me, I have lost all but my wife since I came out as trans, but if I can't have this either without being attacked so be it.
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This movie was awesome for what it was. For those who saw Wrath of Khan then it was easy to predict what was going to happen. However, Robocop (Peter Weller) he was great in his scenes and the USS Vengeance; what an amazing ship that was.
To the hardcore fans, i dont think they will ever do an exploration movie in their five year mission. I bet the next movie will be them back from a their mission and a war with the Klingons is in progress.
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This will probably start a Nerd War ... in a galaxy far, far away ... :)
Death Star Destroys Enterprise (Special Edition) - IGN Original - YouTube
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Seriously, fuck this movie! Benedict Cumberbatch should've played Gary Mitchell!
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I can't wait to see it, my movie to see list is on the increase.... The Hang Over III tonight..... must be done! xx B
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Hang over III got the worst reviews of any film I've seen reviewed recently. You gotta be joking!!
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We need more movies about comic books that rely on special effects and CGI while recycling the same lame story beats and plot points over and over sucking money out of the pockets of naive viewers. Just not enough comic book movies, I say.:rolleyes:
Thank you, Hollywood for your continuous originality. :jerkoff
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Hollywood is sooooo courageous. It passed on the Liberace biopic "Behind The Candelabra" which director Stepnhen Soderberg had to get made for HBO. Hollywood's verdict - too gay!
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We need more movies about comic books that rely on special effects and CGI while recycling the same lame story beats and plot points over and over sucking money out of the pockets of naive viewers. Just not enough comic book movies, I say.:rolleyes:
Thank you, Hollywood for your continuous originality. :jerkoff
I take it you're buying advance tickets to Man of Steel?
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just saw it .... it was great....fuck you
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Star Trek:Into Darkness.... a mega yawn I'm afraid.
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Star Trek:Into Darkness.... a mega yawn I'm afraid.
Says the Man With 2 Faces
