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Try telling that to one of our soldiers overseas. Global organizations have declared Holy War against us so i cant imagine not taking them seriously after what they have proven what they are capable of. I'm not trying to start any arguments. Yesterday's attack had the trademarks of a terrorist attack, and it seemed pretty sophisticated for just one person to be responsible. However that's just my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by EvaCassini
Holy shit thats awesome!!! That movie is great...beats alot of wimpy werewolf fliks nowadaysQuote:
Originally Posted by seanchai
There are no trademarks...I was a Gunners Mate in the Navy over around Korea/Russia/China, I am pretty sure I can tell what attacks seem like. I have seen some shit, and the Boston bombings...look, taste, and sound like a domestic attack. Never said just one person...Mcveigh = domestic. Anyone can make a bomb and detenators and with a bit of knowledge (either military, like McVeigh OR Fuckin google) , they can easily rig it for proximity or timed.Quote:
Originally Posted by eccentricBlue
Eva - really lovely as that picture of you is, shouldn't it be posted in a different strand. This thread is all about the killings and maimings of innocent people in Boston. Just saying....
i was in ref to Seanchai post. Plus i gave my say about the thread's main topic.
Er...not until it is proven Eccentic Blue.Quote:
Originally Posted by eccentricBlue
I do not condone in any way those attacks either. The culprit/s sould be captured, put on trial and if guilty convicted. But there is NO PROOF right now that it was the people you and others are fingering. No evidence. Just a gut reaction from you. Which is tantamunt to the feelings that prompted KKK members to lynch black people a few decades ago.
What was yesterday if it wasn't an attack? Was it a misunderstanding? Was it a starter gun malfunction? I respect your service at sea, however it doesn't matter if it was 1 person, or 100. It was still an attack.
If I have to prove that global organizations have declared war against us than I'm just wasting my time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prospero
Are you retarded?!?!!? I never said that it was not an attack.
I smell a TROLL!
The Boston Marathon Bombing: Keep Calm and Carry On:
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/...rry-on/275014/
A lot of angry water has flowed under the bridge since I posted nine hours ago. Firstly, when I responded to lick's initial post, I was taking it as it read and replying to what seemed on the face of it to be an extremely intemperate and illogical reaction to the bombings. I don't apologise for that first response but I do sincerely apologise for anything I said which may have inadvertently set off his demons, and I hope he receives whatever counselling and support he needs.
As to continuing speculation and the desperate desire to pin blame, it's clear that, some 36 hours later, the investigating authorities are no nearer to identifying a culprit, or, at the very least, they don't yet feel sufficiently confident in the available evidence to do so.
And the crazy conspiracy theories continue too. Give it a rest, if only for the sake of common decency.
We have to be rational. Easier said than done. I mean, we don't know anything. We can't be given to racist vitriol or complete irrationality.Quote:
Originally Posted by robertlouis
Obama described it as an act of terror. And not terrorism. Because, again, at present we don't know who the perpetrator or perpetrators are.
I mean, it could be some crazed person. Acting alone. We just don't know.
One of the first stories to emerge was that a Saudi was in custody. Which was completely false.
Again, we need to be and stay rational.... Difficult to do when we're a country driven by irrational urges -- :(
It is also important to remember that acts of terror are not the sole providence of radical Islam. The second worst act of terror on US soil was committed by right wing-nuts. And I don't know what else one could call the rampant lynching and church bombings of the 60 years of the 20th Century. And it was not Islamic radicals but rather white, bigoted Christian extremists responsible for that rein of terror.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben
Ordinarily organized terrorist groups claim ownership of their deeds rather quickly and the silence here is notable, while not conclusive.
We all need to let the investigation take its course. Personally I have faith that the White House is not busy trying to spin this into a reason to have a war with a nation state but rather has their eye on the ball. There will be justice I pray.
At any rate a freaking shame that the innocent are used by any group or individual to make statements of displeasure.
A typically thoughtful and reflective post, katz.Quote:
Originally Posted by fivekatz
I've quoted that one sentence because it contains all that needs to be said for the moment. Peace.
Westboro: We'll Picket Boston Marathon Funerals
Westboro Baptist Church blames gay marriage for bombings
Newser) – We'd call this a new low for Westboro Baptist Church, but these are the people who threatened to picket Sandy Hook. Now they say they'll picket the funerals of the Boston Marathon victims, the Raw Story reports. The church's reasoning, per a press release: "GOD SENT THE BOMBS! How many more terrifying ways will you have the LORD injure and kill your fellow countrymen because you insist on nation-dooming filthy [gay slur] marriage?! ... Massachusetts invited this special wrath from God Almighty when it was the FIRST STATE to pass same-sex marriage."
A We the People petition calls for the WBC to be banned from the funerals, and a Twitter account associated with the Anonymous hacktivists threatens the church: "Dear @WBCSays, I wouldn't f--k with the people of Boston when they're mad. #BostonBeatDown." It was Anonymous that thwarted the Westboro's Sandy Hook plan, the Raw Story notes; the hackers publicized the hotel where church members were staying, and a human shield was formed to block them. Yesterday, the New York Post ran a piece by Libby Phelps Alvarez, a granddaughter of WBC founder Fred Phelps who left the church—and now fights for gay rights.
http://www.newser.com/story/166324/w...-funerals.html
Westboro Baptist Church thanks God for Boston bombs, vows funeral protests
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ston-bombs-vo/
Westboro Baptist Church said that the bombings during the Boston Marathon were sent by God as punishment for same-sex marriage and that members would definitely show up at funerals to protest.
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Originally Posted by fivekatz
Having grown up in Boston I would say it is very good advice to WBC not to "fuck" with pissed off Bostonians.
Where these people come up with God was punishing New Orleans for all the gays and booze with Katrina or now the Marathon bombing because Mass allows same sex marriage?
Sometimes these people should just keep it to themselves IMHO. It was a horrific thing done there yesterday, designed by the nature of the bombs and their placement, the intention was to cripple and kill innocent people enjoying a regional holiday celebrating a tradition of freedom. I don't see God's hand in that and have a hard time thinking anyone who tries to parlay the events into a social/political statement of their choosing has God in their hearts.
The very freedom that was being celebrated yesterday in Boston during Patriot's Day allows wing nuts like the WBC to be the freaking clowns they are, but freedom of speech does not mean that the speech is sane.
fivekatz - ignore the westboro baptist church - they thrive on any hair trigger response. Theyre professionals at getting you pissed off and once youre in their net you succumb to their carefully choreographed nonsense. I lived in Boston a long time as a Met fan including 1986 so I know their wrath. Dont waste it on these publicity whores.
That's just what shamelessness and disproportional attention does to people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prospero
Don't fuck with Boston! 617 FAH EVAH!
~BB~
It's irresponsible to speculate as to who might have done this until there's actually some evidence. There are plenty of nutcase terrorists that are homegrown right here in the USA, too. Tim McVeigh and Eric Rudolph, for two.Quote:
Originally Posted by irvin66
The best revenge against terrorism is to keep right on living your life as before, to refuse to be cowed or intimidated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dino Velvet
London's Marathon will take place this weekend - with runners being invited to don black ribbons in respect of the dead and wounded of Boston. There'll also be a brief silent salute to the victims.
Shocked and deeply saddened. Our thoughts and prayers are with you.
Thanks for bringing that up again...I told the mod it was in response to seanchai's post and nothing was said about it after...it was left alone....so leave it alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
I hate it when bombings anywhere happen let alone in my home town. I am just glad my family and friends are ok. The people of boston are strong people. they will stand together and get through this.
I totally agree. The object of terrorism is to inflict terror. When you refuse to be terrorized you take back control of your life. I saw a TV report of a gathering in Santa Monica. They're having a small mini-marathon to honor the dead and the grieving and a big fuck you to the bomber(s).Quote:
Originally Posted by BiBoyinBeantown
Food for thought...
Just when the gun control issue comes to a head and people are protesting Police Paramilitary build up and an unprecedented reduction of human rights in this country along with massive surveillance and personal privacy evaporating daily - we have public Bombings and Poison Mail?
Anyone Know what a False Flag Operation is? Every Major War in History has started with one....
Not saying our current government is responsible - but somebody is responsible for these horrible acts and its not always who they want you to think it is.
Just encouraging everyone to consider not only the acts but what reaction is being obtained and who benefits from that reaction
- Think for yourselves
- QUESTION EVERYTHING
False flag - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The real war today, is one of ideas, of how we solve human issues. The simplest solution, is for us to want for other people, what we want for ourselves. It is to treat others, how we wish to be treated. Terrorism is an attemp to make others live in fear. And fear makes people make irrational decisions. So part of the solution is to act rationally, and seek the truth. Besides finding the individuals responsible for this, maybe there will be a deepre reflection about the use of bombs, in general to solve human issues. A 'smart bomb' is still a bomb.Quote:
Originally Posted by eccentricBlue
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Originally Posted by BiBoyinBeantown
Even your pathetic link can't find a false flag excuse for the First World War, a pretty major war in history, unless you think it wasn't really the Archduke Ferdinand who was assassinated in Sarajevo, but a stand-in called Dave, while the real Archduke slipped away to spend the rest of his life growing orchids in Linz.Quote:
Originally Posted by TempestTS
Your Wikipedia link also has this laughable entry:
Operation Ajax
The replacement of Iran' Anglo-Persian Oil Company with five American oil companies and the 1953 Iranian Coup d'Etat was the consequence of the U.S. and British-orchestrated false flag operation...Operation Ajax used political intrigue, and agreements with the Qashqai people and tribal leaders to depose the democratically elected leader of Iran, Mohammed Mosadedegh. Information regarding the Central Intelligence Agency -sponsored Coup d'Etat has been largely declassified and is available in the CIA archives.[12]
The Anglo-Persian Oil Company changed its name to the Anglo-Iranian Oil Co in 1935, and was 100% British owned, not Iranian; the coup of 1953 which was co-ordinated by the US and the British led to the formation of the Iranian Oil Participants, not 5 American companies but a consortium made up of British, American and French companies -the author even has the audacity to cite an excellent book by Stephen Kinzer (note 12) which does a better job than this amateurish Wikipedia rubbish.
Question everything!! Indeed, especially Wikipedia!
[QUOTE=Stavros;1309514]Even your pathetic link can't find a false flag excuse for the First World War, a pretty major war in history, unless you think it wasn't really the Archduke Ferdinand who was assassinated in Sarajevo, but a stand-in called Dave, while the real Archduke slipped away to spend the rest of his life growing orchids in Linz.
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I merely gave food for thought - Thinking is a good thing IMHO... yet this somehow got under your skin... it was not intended.
The Wiki link was provided for a general definition of what a false flag operation was. Many people actually have never heard the term. Sorry I didnt happen to have my copy of Websters handy - this apparently has offended you in some way...
False Flag operations by their nature are secretive and often can never be completely proven or dis-proven so there will be historical speculation about any of them - nice that you noticed this.
As for WWI - I urge you to read up on the circumstances around which America entered the war - specificlly the ocean liner Lusitania which may (or may not) have been part of a false flag operation - depending on your perspective, that is... History professors have debated this at some length - if you have the answer be sure to call them.
if Wiki offends you so much I urge you not to click on any of their links - its not a requirement to use the internet at any rate...
Lastly I find what has occurred in Boston a horrible act and tragic needless loss of life and harm.
A man has just been arrested. He was seen on a security camera putting a back pack on the ground at the scene of the second blast and then walking away. No further details yet.... report now amended. Man seen on video but not yet arrested.
http://www.nbcnews.com/
[quote=TempestTS;1309527]Tempest I was alerted by your 'false flag' idea because too often Americans see a conspiracy where there isn't one. The USA entered the First World War in April 1917 long after the attack on the Lusitania in 1915 -Germany had provoked the US with its support for the Mexicans in their conflict with the USA following the revolution of 1910, but it was Germany's 'sink on sight' policy in the Atlantic in January 1917 that led the USA to break diplomatic relations with Germany, following which 8 US vessels were sunk that finally brought Congress round to Wilson's thinking -before that Robert La Follette had prevented Congress from making a decision through filibustering tactics. It was also the case that the Europeans had borrowed money from the US that Americans were afraid would not be paid back, and Wilson had ambitions to take the US into the international arena, which was opposed by the man who eventually defeated him in the elections of 1920, the isolationist Warren Harding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
Nothing personal, just some adjustment's to some unfounded ideas about the origins of wars. And it recedes into history compared to the grim reality on the streets of Boston.
A federal courthouse in Boston was just evacuated. No reports as to the reason yet.
Arguably the worst US president of the 20th century, in a close contest with Coolidge and Hoover.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stavros
Dubya may have been elected in 1999 but only took office in January 2000.
All GOP. May or may not be a coincidence....
There are not just right-wing fanatics. There are also left-wing fanatics. Remember the Weather Underground?
So, regardless of one's political stripes, as it were, there are demented people on both sides of the political aisle:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3cxgeQkK-o
[quote=Stavros;1309616]"False Flag" was not my idea -Quote:
Originally Posted by TempestTS
My Idea was that this tragedy coupled with a possibly unrelated but yet very interestingly timed "envelope threat" may have more to it than meets the eye and merits closer attention and thought about what might be really going on.
I dont agree with your arguments but apparently I have made you (and perhaps a few others) Think and that is more than enough.
Authorities checking cellphone records, seek man seen leaving bag near Boston blast site
Investigators in the Boston Marathon case are trying to identify a young man seen on video near the second blast site -- talking on his cellphone before setting down a black bag and dashing away, law enforcement officials told NBC News.
As authorities worked to find more images of the man in the crowd and began examining cellphone records in an effort to put a name to his face, they abruptly canceled an evening briefing on the probe.
Two days after the double bombing killed three people and injured 176 near the race finish line — and on the eve of President Obama’s visit to Boston for a prayer service — the investigation appeared to be making progress.
Law enforcement officials said the man was seen from several different angles at the site of the second blast. One official said a Lord & Taylor department store surveillance camera captured the image.
The FBI has distributed to federal law enforcement agencies a surveillance photo of a man wearing a baseball cap at the scene of the Boston Marathon bombing, asking officials if they have any information about his identity, a senior federal law enforcement official who has seen the photo told NBC News late Wednesday.
The official who has seen the photo described it as showing a man about six feet tall wearing “a white or off white baseball cap.” The FBI was asking for help identifying the individual, the official said.
Federal law enforcement officials have said they have made “significant” progress in the investigation by identifying potential witnesses or suspects who appear in surveillance photos at the site of the second bomb explosion.
But some officials have cautioned they do not yet know the identity of the individuals they are looking for. Asked tonight if investigators knew the identity of the individual identified in surveillance photos, Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick said “no.” He declined further comment.
An expected press briefing on Wednesday afternoon was postponed and ultimately canceled, but the FBI and other agencies did shoot down afternoon reports from several media outlets that an arrest had been made.
“Despite reports to the contrary there has not been an arrest in the Marathon attack,” Boston police said from an official Twitter account.
The FBI added: “Since these stories often have unintended consequences, we ask the media, particularly at this early stage of the investigation, to exercise caution and attempt to verify information through appropriate official channels before reporting.”
In another development, the Boston federal courthouse was evacuated Wednesday afternoon. Employees said they were told that a “code red” was in effect and were ordered to leave. The reason was unclear.
Investigators were reviewing more video and photos in an effort to track the movements of the man with the bag before and after the bombing. Records of cellphone calls made in the area at that time could give them another clue to his identity.
Forensic work at the scene has already helped authorities identify major components of the bombs.
They were housed in metal containers — at least one a kitchen pressure cooker — and studded with metal, including fine nails or brads, to make the devices more lethal.
Authorities are focusing on a video of a man putting a bag down at the location of the bombing at the Boston Marathon.
Sources involved in the investigation said that the pressure-cooker device was effectively a “homemade claymore,” a directional explosive that appeared to include a triggering mechanism using a battery pack and a circuit board. Both of those elements were recovered at the scene.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...last-site?lite
this suspect below was cleared now a new suspect police are trying to identify story above
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Originally Posted by natina
The so called Saudi suspect had been cleared even before Natina posted it the first time. He was in fact an innocent bystander injured in the blast. But such is the hysteria that any man of vaguely dark and Arab appearance will become the object of speculation these days.
Suspicions in Boston Attack Turn to Man Seen in Videos
BOSTON — In the first major break in the hunt for the Boston Marathon bomber, F.B.I. personnel on Wednesday found security video clips that showed a man they believe may have played a role in planting the explosives that killed three people and injured more than 170 on Monday.
The videos also showed at least a handful of others whom the authorities want to question, either because of what they appear to be doing in the video or their proximity to the blasts, a senior law enforcement official said.The official said the authorities were trying to boil down the number of people of interest in the videos and would then decide whether to ask the public’s help in locating them.
“It’s a crowd, there are a lot of different angles. It is not like some television-produced video — there’s a lot that isn’t clear,” said the official. “But most interpretations support the notion that one man is seen dropping a bag.”
The official added: “There are several videos with people in them, and we’re looking to talk to more than one guy. It’s still very squishy but there are a lot of interesting people” the authorities want to talk to.
As word spread of the videos Wednesday afternoon, officials emphatically denied a flurry of news reports that they had made an arrest. The F.B.I. was still “looking for a name to put with a face in a video,” one law enforcement official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity.
Those denials did not deter hundreds of office workers and reporters from gathering outside the federal courthouse, where they anticipated that a suspect would be arraigned. A midday bomb scare caused the courthouse to be evacuated and created confusion as the crowds were moved far away from the building and it was ringed by police vehicles. By nightfall, no arrest had taken place.
At Copley Square, the crime scene, several blocks long, remained barricaded as investigators in white hazmat suits scoured the buildings and roofs for pieces of evidence from the two explosions, which occurred at 2:50 Monday afternoon near the finish line of the marathon.
Teams of investigators, including more than 1,000 F.B.I. agents, were tracking possible leads developed on Tuesday after they had discovered remnants from the two bombs.
Those remnants included: parts of one or two kitchen pressure cookers that had evidently been packed with nails, ball bearings and black powder and used as explosive devices; the torn remains of a dark nylon backpack or duffel bag in which one of the bombs had been hidden; and a circuit board, wires and other parts from timing devices. Investigators hoped to track the items back to where they were sold and compile a list of names or descriptions of the buyers.
A piece of the lid of one of the pressure cookers was found on a rooftop near the blast, a law enforcement official said on Wednesday — giving a sense of the tremendous force of the explosion.
The possible break in the case came as investigators scrutinized scores of videos and photographs from surveillance cameras from nearby businesses, as well as from marathon spectators’ smartphones and television crews that were filming the Boston Marathon when the deadly blasts went off. So far, no one has taken responsibility for the explosions.
As the investigation went into a third day, there were signs of jitters around the nation, which was on high alert. New York City officials said there had been an increase in reports of suspicious packages. In Oklahoma City, the scene of a devastating bombing in 1995, City Hall was briefly evacuated Wednesday morning as the authorities examined a stolen rental truck that was parked outside. (There was no bomb, officials there said.)
In Washington, parts of two Senate office buildings were shut down as officials investigated reports of suspicious letters or packages, and the Secret Service said that a letter addressed to President Obama contained a suspicious substance. It was intercepted at a screening facility outside the White House, and federal agents arrested a suspect on Wednesday evening.
If investigators in Boston can find a facial image of sufficient quality from the videos, it could provide a powerful lead.
The F.B.I. has been working for several years to create a facial recognition program, and the video of a suspect or suspects could be matched against the bureau’s database of mug shots of about 12 million people who have been arrested, officials said.
If there is no match, investigators can hunt for the suspects’ images in the voluminous videos and photographs from the bombing site that were submitted by members of the public in response to an F.B.I. appeal. That is still a technically difficult task, because the software is most accurate with head-on facial images and can be thrown off even by a smile, specialists said on Wednesday.
Still, “it’s vastly superior to just watching the video,” said Al Shipp, chief executive of 3VR Inc., a company that sells video analytics software. “You can sort through years of video in seconds. That’s the game changer.”
By piecing together more images of suspects and their movements, the F.B.I. might be able to come up with a name. Even without a name, Mr. Shipp said, investigators could program multiple cameras at airports and elsewhere with the suspects’ images so the cameras would send an alert to them if someone resembling a suspect passed by.
While investigators have focused on the images of the possible suspect, they are continuing to pursue a broad range of other avenues, one law enforcement official said.
“We try not to get tunnel vision about it,” the official said, adding, “we’re working a lot of other possibilities.”
The process, the official said, can be a painstaking one. Once an image like that of a potential suspect is identified, investigators and analysts will seek to track the person in the image, both back in time and forward, seeking other images — photographs and videos — from other sources, looking for different angles and lighting.
Appealing to the public would most likely put more pressure on the suspect. “He’d get nervous and turn himself in, or he could go to ground,” said Philip Mudd, a former senior C.I.A. and F.B.I. official. “But having several million people looking for him outweighs any downside.”
I saw a Police Car blow up in Boston, but at that time I was on the "terrorist" side. (Student Demonstration).
My guess is this prick has left the country, this may be the only time every American agrees to spending a few billion extra tax dollars. Just to see his ass fry.