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I...I...like those things!
Of course you do, baby...and I'm a fag and a chaZer...isn't it great??Quote:
Originally Posted by Ms.Stepford
Whatever you want to call yourself! :D
Anything to make sex hotter...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ms.Stepford
I say gay, but who really gives two fucks about it.
I have had sex with women, men and transgender .... trisexual perhaps? I definately prefer Transgender and dont particularly enjoy sex with men!
Some of these threads on here are getting repetitive.
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Originally Posted by dderek123
More than that. Downright fucking boring. Can we declare a lifetime moratorium on any thread which focuses on the old "Am I Gay?" trope and shoot any poster who diverts another thread in that direction?
PLEASE?????
We're "Gaight" or "Stray".
^ Hahaha I prefer "stray". "Gaight" still seems a little bit too gay for me.
Why does everything have to have a label? Why can't we just like Tgirls and leave it at that?:)
Well, you know how it is, you're never going to live up to anyone's expectations, so you might as well live up to your own...Quote:
Originally Posted by dderek123
Fuckin' annoying bullshit signatures...
http://www.esquire.com/cm/esquire/im...by-0509-lg.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by nysprod
IDK, but Canadian TGirls are all pasty looking...lolQuote:
Originally Posted by dderek123
http://www.thebestdamnpoll.com/Porta...s/he%20mad.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by nysprod
I guess not...Quote:
Originally Posted by dderek123
I LOVE to love Tgirls and I am OK with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by youngblood61
http://i.imgur.com/kOowASi.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by nysprod
EXACTLY! Your attracted to who you are attracted to.Quote:
Originally Posted by youngblood61
Just enjoy being with that person and don't concern yourself with what label it gives you.
Then if your really fortunate you will find someone to love then love them and don't worry about, "if I bottom am I this or if they have implants are they that."
Who cares, just share yourself with that person and be grateful.
Every time I've seen this thread title in the last hour or so I hear that "I'm not sick, but I'm not well" song that was the theme to Peep Show in my head. except with the words substituted.
It's pretty straight-forward to me. If the transgender person you're attracted to, as a male, identifies as a woman, then it's heterosexual. Sexual orientation, in terms of attraction, is defined relative to gender identity. So if you like trans women, you're either a straight or bisexual guy or a lesbian or bisexual woman. If you like trans men, you're either a straight or bisexual woman or a gay or bisexual man. (Although there are some lesbians who date trans men, but that's an interesting topic all its own.)
So if you're involved with a transsexual woman - who is a woman, by the way - and you are questioning if you're gay or bi, that has more to do with you than with her.
Why are people so obsessed with labels!!!
Because they're what we have to identify ourselves to others, and ourselves. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Prospero
What I was getting at is the eternal debate among the guys over straight v gay as if it really matters. Of course for the transgendered it matters a lot. Asserting their rightful identity as women or I think in your case Frankenstein as a transmale? So many guys are so hung up unnecessarily
I see your point. I feel rather bad for hetero cis men. Their sexuality is so policed by society. They have so many social restrictions on what they can do without going outside of the boundaries of the heterosexual male construct. They tend to be so fearful over it and it can lead to violence, sadly. As a queer trans guy, I feel much more free in that respect. Of course that feeling of personal freedom comes at a price of being a marginalized minority.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prospero
Obsession is never a good thing but realistically, in our society, labels are inevitable...people need to identify and define who they are, and labels make socialization simpler, e.g. a photography buff can easily find like minded people in the "N.Y. Photo Club."Quote:
Originally Posted by Prospero
Catholics, Jews, ballers, bikers, movie buffs, whatever, we're all something.
Ur not gay and ur not straight..... Ur Graight! Lol
Like seanchi said, who cares! Fuck labels!!!
So far as I am concerned the partner of a transexual or transgender woman is whatever they consider themselves to be. The partners of ts women always think say they are straight or bi, just like the partners of genetic female women.
These categories aren't really that useful when talking about transsexuals. Simply consider the case of a couple where a TS woman and a TS man are the pair. Is that gay, lesbian, straight, or bi?
If a man accepts that at least psychologically, and socially TS women are women.
If a man is attracted to the feminine physical and psychological qualities of TS women.
Then that man is straight.
PS. Considering that all TS and TG people have been some kind of queer all our lives it's a bit insulting that our non TS or TG partners fret so much over weather they are going to be thought of as gay by someone or the other. (Or if you are TS or TG but still into the opposite biological sex. Having a gay or lesbian partner worry that being with you is too straight for them. It happens )
we are all gay move on :)
This was also about what I said in the first post:Quote:
Originally Posted by TSMichelleAustin
"Are guys like us who are into TGirls totally straight? I say no. We are turned on by male genitalia after all (even though it's "attached" to a feminine form). Let's be real about that."
I read a lot when I first joined about how guys (like me) into TGirls saw themselves as "straight"...I didn't agree with it but I was new and didn't want to come off like a know-it-all or worse, a troll. But I knew at some point I wanted to talk about it because I'm in this.
So now I've been here for a while, I've read a lot, posted, participated etc, and I figured since people were somewhat familiar with me it would be OK to talk about it in a way that was open and non-judgmental. I think I accomplished this because I didn't see one post where the person was offended by my saying that guys into TGirls are not totally straight.
I'm into TGirls...I don't believe I'm totally straight anymore...I just want to be real about it...saying it anonymously on a forum isn't much, I guess, but it's a start.
I"ll just say it again...if you don't consider yourself straight for being into me, it means that you consider me a man. If I hear the slightest indication that you consider me a man, I wouldn't even get with you for money.
I'd thorougly ransack your butt all day.Quote:
Originally Posted by SunshyneMonroe
yes, I am the romantic type :dancing:
I'm gay, and live my way!
I'm gay, born this way!
I am gay, nothing to say!
I am gay, being gray!
not black nor white
Like a free bird I fly away!
no wrong or right
I will not be swept away!
My birth right!
Society's norm I will not abide
I don't feel bad
only freedom on my side
together lets be glad!
- Evon Rose....
EvonRose
Keeps us on our Toes
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I'm kinda offended i just see the point of having the same redundant conversations over and over again.I've been on here for three years and these threads get beyond old.Quote:
Originally Posted by nysprod
Are we trying to put a 2D concept into a 1D line. As in politics:
http://freedomkeys.com/boazchart.jpg a single Left Wing - Right Wing doesn't work well. As we are talking here of a Straight - Gay line.
On politics, I see myself as an 80-80 on the chart and I think the transgender community thrives best up in that corner too. (including the admirers)
Problems with just a line -
I am straight male, no attraction to porn or cock, married to straight woman with 2.5 kids - Straight and fits.
I am a straight male but I am in a relationship with a woman that is bi - where does that fit - it doesn't
I am a gay guy doing only hunky studs - very gay and fits.
I am a lesbian that only wants lezzy women and hates guys - gay and fits.
I am bi but my woman is (straight - bi - lezzy) where does that fit.
I am attracted to CD's (either FtM or MtF) - where does that fit.
I am a transgender and I am attracted to (insert anything) - where does it fit.
I am attracted to transgender - where does that fit.
I am not sure where I am but I really enjoy the company of fem tgirls and am happy about it.
I agree this topic is beating a dead horse.
BTW Thank you Amber, EvonRose, and MsStepford for your insight. And yes I would love to be in bed with any or all of you
Exactly this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint_Frankenstein
The problem is , trying to convince or otherwise educate the rest of society who does not think like you. Which is sometimes in itself a futile effort.
To me a transwoman, is just a woman. The physical characteristics don't define her, what defines her, is how she perceives herself. However that might not match up to what most of society "sees". She might feel, perceive, behave, like a woman, but to some of society she will always be a man.
It's all about personal perception. Do you define yourself by society's standards or by your own?
I know people that think, when knowing a couple's genitalia (not my viewpoints):
vagina + vagina = homosexual/lesbian/gay . Of course this includes gg women that do not identify as men, although they might be "studs" or butch. This includes transmen as long as they still have a vagina. I know people that take it even further and say, that even if a transman gets the bottom surgery, they are still in fact a woman biologically.
penis + penis= homosexual/gay . They include of course the cisgender males who are attracted to other males. They include transsexual women , who have or have not had the bottom surgery, regardless if they pass 100% as a woman.
There's also people that say they are in fact a third Gender, and neither female or male, or both. How does society classify that person's relationship with a person who Identifies as their birth gender?
example: Third gender who outwardly looks female (born male) dates cis Male
some of society: might classify this as a homosexual relationship
some of society: might classify this as a heterosexual relationship
some of society: might say "there's no such thing as a third gender , you're either female or male"
some of society: might say "since she is third gender , that makes the cis male that dates her , a 3rdgendersexual (made up the word)"
Then you have the "plumbing" people. Example, Thomas Beattie being a pregnant "man" , while still having a functioning uterus and ovaries.
Some of society: says, he is in fact still a woman, because he has a uterus
some of society: might say, "thomas beattie is in fact a man who is pregnant"
Add that , to the androgynous people that blur the gender lines. Where do they and their partners fit in the whole "gay or straight" spectrum.
And of course I know (and agree with) people that say
A Man= includes transmen that identify, live as, Men.
A woman= includes transwomen that Identify, and live as women.
Can we get everyone to agree some day? Probably Not. There's people that will always believe what they believe (the tired abortion debate proves this)
So to answer the original poster's question.
I am a male (cisgendered), that is attracted to women. That makes me straight. Of course a segment of society is going to say I'm gay/homosexual/bisexual if I date and have sexual relations with a transwoman, regardless of her passability and surgery status.. Do I let that define me? No
i think it helps people understand themselves- who they are and what they like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prospero
if you, for example, label yourself as a gay male, then you know where you fit in, what kind of options are available to you (as far as lgbt community) perhaps even entertainment. there are even education programs available to people that identify that way.
i forget the name of the person that actually pointed out that because the girl who was assaulted in new york city was a transsexual, the lgbt community would actually put more pressure on the cops to get the guys who did it.
so i believe labels are important. people only think they're not important when they don't work in their favor.
in this case, the fact that this question comes up so often obviously means it's not clearly defined. what's disturbing however is that most are so quick to dimiss being labelled as gay, yet when one requires help (or protection) the lgbt community is the first haven that is sought.
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Originally Posted by bluesoul
That is because we are part of the LGBT community.
Often the discrimination against us overlaps with homophobia.
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Originally Posted by amberskyi
....but oddly comforting. I mean, what would we talk about if they weren't always here?
:joke: btw.....