Jamie French, Eva Cassini, Tiffany Starr robbed at gun point.

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Originally Posted by winston93

I do have sypmathy for them being held up at gun point and robbed but it certainly IS begging to come and ask strangers for money. Asking for money you havent earned is begging and scrounging and nothing more, like i said in that post this is the kind of thing you ask friends and family for not people you've never met. There are people who actually need help far more desperatley than these 3 do. Being short on the rent is an EVERYDAY thing. someone else pointed out that this is almost certainly not their last $500 and even if they really couldnt pay the rent i'm sure their landlord would be understanding given the circumstannces. and lastly tsdvd man made a very good point; why are they scrounging off men who they hold in contempt?

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OK... one more and then I'm really cutting myself off.

Do you realize how insanely illogical this is:

"Asking for money you haven't earned is begging and scrounging and nothing more..."

I mean, it is so insane that I actually feel stupid having to explain the difference. Begging is persistent, consistent, and borders on pestering. If you've ever owned a dog, you know what begging is. Scrounging is foraging for leftovers. Neither one applies here. This was ONE post... in ONE thread (at least until Eva posted as well). Is the Red Cross 'begging' when they ask for donations? By your definition, pretty much EVERYONE in the world is a beggar, including, I would suspect, yourself. At some point or another, unless you are completely off the grid, you have probably applied for credit (i.e. - asked for money you didn't have / earn) or had a loan. If not, kudos to you.

Nor do your other points apply. It is incongruent to say that because 'There are people who actually need help far more desperatley than these 3 do' that this is an invalid request. In fact, I would say that is a total cop-out to clear the conscience.

Let me be clear. I have absolutely NO issue with people NOT giving to this, nor am I saying you SHOULD. I am simply saying, please...

Let's stop with the making shit up that wasn't said in the OP (speculation).

Offer condolences if you want to. Donate if you want to.

If you dislike Jamie, Tiffany, or Eva, then don't donate and don't offer condolences.

Resist the temptation to be snarky to boost your ego and show everyone how smart you are not to be 'taken in' by this and just move on if you've got nothing positive to say.

OK... I am off to play Borderlands 2 to clear my head and blow shit up imagining it is some of you here. That is a joke for those who are going to cry about me blowing them up.

A point well made loveboof why don't they just get the money from one of Jamie's many income streams? I bet half the people on this thread are struggling with the rent and most of them probably don't have their own music studio, video production company, website and a high paying job as an editor

Nice. Now Jamie is morally equivalent to the Red Cross. :rolleyes:

Well, ain't this just the thread that keeps on giving? :lol:

~BB~

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

Nice. Now Jamie is morally equivalent to the Red Cross. :rolleyes:

Well, ain't this just the thread that keeps on giving? :lol:

~BB~

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SOO taken out of context. But again, SOO predictable. Pretty much standard for the way your debate.

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Originally Posted by GrimFusion

There may be a bottom-line level of decency, but this isn't it. Quit being a drama queen.


In light of the circumstances, there is obviously an overwhelming sense of distrust shared by a substantial group of posters. If I hadn't brought it up, somebody else would have. I like how you're taking all this time debating Bella on her opinion when I was the one to first mention it. Back-biting much?


It's not so bad when you know the person in question and you're sure they aren't the type. We're not you. God, you're a loud bitch.

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Grim, you are so full of yourself that I seriously can't take anything you say with anything but laughter.

I already know that you are the Master and Commander of the World and Know-It-All-Second-To-None. I bow (again) to your worthiness.

Please wow me more with your intellectual prowess and invaluable ability to put others down.

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Originally Posted by GroobyKrissy

SOO taken out of context. But again, SOO predictable. Pretty much standard for the way your debate.

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Originally Posted by GroobyKrissy

Is the Red Cross 'begging' when they ask for donations?

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In legal circles, that's what they call 'opening the door.'

But more importantly, if you can predict my responses to your ridiculous arguments, why do you continue to make ridiculous arguments? :?

'Grandiose,' indeed.

~BB~

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Originally Posted by GroobyKrissy

OK... one more and then I'm really cutting myself off.

Do you realize how insanely illogical this is:

"Asking for money you haven't earned is begging and scrounging and nothing more..."

I mean, it is so insane that I actually feel stupid having to explain the difference. Begging is persistent, consistent, and borders on pestering. If you've ever owned a dog, you know what begging is. Scrounging is foraging for leftovers. Neither one applies here. This was ONE post... in ONE thread (at least until Eva posted as well). Is the Red Cross 'begging' when they ask for donations? By your definition, pretty much EVERYONE in the world is a beggar, including, I would suspect, yourself. At some point or another, unless you are completely off the grid, you have probably applied for credit (i.e. - asked for money you didn't have / earn) or had a loan. If not, kudos to you.

Nor do your other points apply. It is incongruent to say that because 'There are people who actually need help far more desperatley than these 3 do' that this is an invalid request. In fact, I would say that is a total cop-out to clear the conscience.

Let me be clear. I have absolutely NO issue with people NOT giving to this, nor am I saying you SHOULD. I am simply saying, please...

Let's stop with the making shit up that wasn't said in the OP (speculation).

Offer condolences if you want to. Donate if you want to.

If you dislike Jamie, Tiffany, or Eva, then don't donate and don't offer condolences.

Resist the temptation to be snarky to boost your ego and show everyone how smart you are not to be 'taken in' by this and just move on if you've got nothing positive to say.

OK... I am off to play Borderlands 2 to clear my head and blow shit up imagining it is some of you here. That is a joke for those who are going to cry about me blowing them up.

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WOW. Scrounging has more than one defintion one of which is 'to borrow with no intention of paying back'. They ARE begging and yes the red cross begs too but i'm happy to give them money because its a good cause. and my point about there being many more deserving people was not a request it was a statement and a true one at that. If i am going to donate money to strangers then its going to be to starving africans on less than a dollar a day rather than 3 well remunerated people in the world's richest country.

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

"Is the Red Cross 'begging' when they ask for donations?" - Krissy

In legal circles, that's what they call 'opening the door.'

But more importantly, if you can predict my responses to your ridiculous arguments, why do you continue to make ridiculous arguments? :?

'Grandiose,' indeed.

~BB~

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Again, a predictable question.

The answer is simple. Because I keep hoping you have the intellectual capacity to put forth a non-ridiculous response. So far, in my dealings with you... hasn't happened. I keep hearing about this witty, amazing, thoughtful, intellectual Bella... maybe there is another.

The Red Cross question wasn't posed or implied in the context of applying to Jamie. It was an actual legal thing that legally is called a 'question'...legally.

As in, the the other person stated, "...Asking for money you haven't earned is begging and scrounging and nothing more..." The Red Cross is probably the largest and most easily recognized charity in the world, which is why it immediately came to mind when I was thinking of a charity who asks for money they haven't earned. It was a question to the poster, 'Winston93' and not used in any way to support an argument that Jamie is or equal to the Red Cross.

I'm really sorry that I had to actually explain that to you. I must find this other Bella that people speak of.

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Originally Posted by GroobyKrissy

Grim, you are so full of yourself that I seriously can't take anything you say with anything but laughter.

I already know that you are the Master and Commander of the World and Know-It-All-Second-To-None. I bow (again) to your worthiness.

Please wow me more with your intellectual prowess and invaluable ability to put others down.

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You have no idea how many debates I've completely lost around here, do you?
I'm honored that you think so highly of me, but that's completely beside the point. If you didn't think my last reply contained any amount of credence, you wouldn't have wasted this reply on nothing but distraction. Glad to know we're getting somewhere, though.

There's probably no point Bella responding to Krissy.. she know's exactly what you're gonna say before you do!

You're so predictable Bella! Go on... say it:

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Originally Posted by GroobyKrissy

Really... are you kidding? I'm singling this post out but speaking to the negative posters here.

It is called 'COMPASSION', 'CHARITY', 'FAITH IN HUMANITY', 'KINDNESS', 'SYMPATHY' and etc. etc. etc.

It is the same reason someone throws change to a beggar, donates to victims of natural disasters, gives to a homeless shelter, helps out at the local soup kitchen, etc. etc. etc.

I cannot believe this thread has been made into such a big issue.

It is one person (three) asking for a little help. The OP isn't needy, begging, or anything even close. The donation page isn't needy, begging, or anything even close.

This 'kick someone when they're down' mentality is just idiotic. What in the world does it cost you, whether you believe the OP or not, just to say, 'Hey, that sucks. Hope things get better.' rather than be a complete, insensitive ass with a post like this?

To be frank, I'm not the biggest Fan of some of Jamie's posts in the past. It is not my personality and I don't condone some past behavior. That being said, we should all be able to at the very least offer condolences when something like this happens.

Would it have been different for all of you if someone had actually gotten shot and died? Is the fact that nobody got hurt here the 'pooh-pooh' factor that makes this all OK? If Jamie was soliciting for funds to help bury Tiffany
Starr, would your thought process be different?

Think on that and then ask yourself about your responses.

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There's a big difference between the guy with one leg, and a sign..will work for food sitting on the interstate off ramp and a "buy me some tits", "pay my rent" series of posts. Get real. Almost everyone offered condolences, glad no one was hurt, etc.....
Don't compare victims of natural disaster to 3 ladies being robbed for a minimal amount of money.

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Originally Posted by winston93

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WOW. Scrounging has more than one defintion one of which is 'to borrow with no intention of paying back'. They ARE begging and yes the red cross begs too but i'm happy to give them money because its a good cause. and my point about there being many more deserving people was not a request it was a statement and a true one at that. If i am going to donate money to strangers then its going to be to starving africans on less than a dollar a day rather than 3 well remunerated people in the world's richest country.

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OMG... smoking gun. You got me. I am dying...

Interesting enough, if you're donating to starving Africans, it is more likely that you're lining the pockets of corrupt politicians and/or bureaucrats, so I hope you're actually going to Africa and handing your dollars to a starving one or at least doing your homework on the charities you donate to.

Kudos to supporting your local dictator though! Much more fruitful, I agree.

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Originally Posted by GroobyKrissy

I keep hearing about this witty, amazing, thoughtful, intellectual Bella... maybe there is another.

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Lies. All lies.

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Originally Posted by GroobyKrissy

The Red Cross question wasn't posed or implied in the context of applying to Jamie. It was an actual legal thing that legally is called a 'question'...legally.

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Uhh... huh?! :?

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Originally Posted by GroobyKrissy

The Red Cross is probably the largest and most easily recognized charity in the world, which is why it immediately came to mind when I was thinking of a charity who asks for money they haven't earned.

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Regardless of how, you made a comparison. If you don't understand your own argument, then I guess I really can't help you.

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Originally Posted by GroobyKrissy

I'm really sorry that I had to actually explain that to you. I must find this other Bella that people speak of.

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Did I mention... LIES?!

I thought the Borderlands were calling you? If I listen really closely, I can hear them cry, 'Krissy, Krissy!'

~BB~

I knew you'd say that Bella! ... lol

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Originally Posted by GroobyKrissy

Interesting enough, if you're donating to starving Africans, it is more likely that you're lining the pockets of corrupt politicians and/or bureaucrats, so I hope you're actually going to Africa and handing your dollars to a starving one or at least doing your homework on the charities you donate to.

Kudos to supporting your local dictator though! Much more fruitful, I agree.

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Gotta give you credit for this one. Well said.

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Originally Posted by loveboof

I knew you'd say that Bella! ... lol

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Apparently, reports of my unpredictable nature are lies as well. :lol:

~BB~

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Originally Posted by Devilboy

There's a big difference between the guy with one leg, and a sign..will work for food sitting on the interstate off ramp and a "buy me some tits", "pay my rent" series of posts. Get real. Almost everyone offered condolences, glad no one was hurt, etc.....
Don't compare victims of natural disaster to 3 ladies being robbed for a minimal amount of money.

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Incorrect... I am far too lazy to do so but the majority of the posts here are not condolences or given as an afterthought after a backhand... as yours was. Someone count them up at this post and prove me wrong.

OMG... you people cannot read... or at least, cannot comprehend what you're reading! I have NOT, in any way, said this was ON PAR with victims of natural disasters, or anything as serious. Please QUOTE it for me if I have. That is an entirely different contextual debate.

Regarding Jamie and the OP, I have simply stated, if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything and move on.

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Originally Posted by GroobyKrissy

if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything and move on.

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Well as soon as Jamie herself takes your advice, maybe others will follow...

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Originally Posted by GroobyKrissy

Incorrect... I am far too lazy to do so but the majority of the posts here are not condolences or given as an afterthought after a backhand... as yours was. Someone count them up at this post and prove me wrong.

OMG... you people cannot read... or at least, cannot comprehend what you're reading! I have NOT, in any way, said this was ON PAR with victims of natural disasters, or anything as serious. Please QUOTE it for me if I have. That is an entirely different contextual debate.

Regarding Jamie and the OP, I have simply stated, if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything and move on.

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'Krissy! Come play me! Krissy!'

~BB~

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Originally Posted by loveboof

Well as soon as Jamie herself takes your advice, maybe others will follow...

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Sadly, I have no argument for this and quite honestly, it is the first thing you've said that actually makes sense. One does reap what one sows.

So, the next question, is can you choose to be the bigger person, take the high road, and offer a sincere bit of well-wishing? That's all I'm saying.

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Originally Posted by BellaBellucci

Regardless of how, you made a comparison. If you don't understand your own argument, then I guess I really can't help you.~BB~

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Context is everything. If you don't understand the context of the argument, then I guess I really can't help you either.

Completely different debate... went off on a tangent with @Winston93.

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Originally Posted by GroobyKrissy

Again, a predictable question.

The answer is simple. Because I keep hoping you have the intellectual capacity to put forth a non-ridiculous response. So far, in my dealings with you... hasn't happened. I keep hearing about this witty, amazing, thoughtful, intellectual Bella... maybe there is another.

The Red Cross question wasn't posed or implied in the context of applying to Jamie. It was an actual legal thing that legally is called a 'question'...legally.

As in, the the other person stated, "...Asking for money you haven't earned is begging and scrounging and nothing more..." The Red Cross is probably the largest and most easily recognized charity in the world, which is why it immediately came to mind when I was thinking of a charity who asks for money they haven't earned. It was a question to the poster, 'Winston93' and not used in any way to support an argument that Jamie is or equal to the Red Cross.

I'm really sorry that I had to actually explain that to you. I must find this other Bella that people speak of.

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You don't win an argument by calling everyone around you stupid. You're sure as hell not making any friends that way. I think it's pretty safe to assume that you're not going to say anything valuable enough to deflect the negative opinions that keep showing up in the thread. You lost your point two pages ago while you were trying to tell everyone to keep their opinions to themselves in a public forum. We can both see how well that has worked.

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Originally Posted by GroobyKrissy

OK... one more and then I'm really cutting myself off.

Do you realize how insanely illogical this is:

"Asking for money you haven't earned is begging and scrounging and nothing more..."

I mean, it is so insane that I actually feel stupid having to explain the difference. Begging is persistent, consistent, and borders on pestering. If you've ever owned a dog, you know what begging is. Scrounging is foraging for leftovers. Neither one applies here. This was ONE post... in ONE thread (at least until Eva posted as well). Is the Red Cross 'begging' when they ask for donations? By your definition, pretty much EVERYONE in the world is a beggar, including, I would suspect, yourself. At some point or another, unless you are completely off the grid, you have probably applied for credit (i.e. - asked for money you didn't have / earn) or had a loan. If not, kudos to you.

Nor do your other points apply. It is incongruent to say that because 'There are people who actually need help far more desperatley than these 3 do' that this is an invalid request. In fact, I would say that is a total cop-out to clear the conscience.

Let me be clear. I have absolutely NO issue with people NOT giving to this, nor am I saying you SHOULD. I am simply saying, please...

Let's stop with the making shit up that wasn't said in the OP (speculation).

Offer condolences if you want to. Donate if you want to.

If you dislike Jamie, Tiffany, or Eva, then don't donate and don't offer condolences.

Resist the temptation to be snarky to boost your ego and show everyone how smart you are not to be 'taken in' by this and just move on if you've got nothing positive to say.

OK... I am off to play Borderlands 2 to clear my head and blow shit up imagining it is some of you here. That is a joke for those who are going to cry about me blowing them up.

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Originally Posted by GroobyKrissy

OMG... smoking gun. You got me. I am dying...

Interesting enough, if you're donating to starving Africans, it is more likely that you're lining the pockets of corrupt politicians and/or bureaucrats, so I hope you're actually going to Africa and handing your dollars to a starving one or at least doing your homework on the charities you donate to.

Kudos to supporting your local dictator though! Much more fruitful, I agree.

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ok krissy i think you're just being fecitious now and it's embaressing. My point was that if im going to give strangers money it'll be to people who deserve it.
Also you're confusing aid money and charitable donations; the money that lines the pockets of dictators and corrupt politicians is aid money paid from western governments not charity donations. Aid is paid from government to government and yes you're right often that money doesnt go to the needy. but when I or any individual donate money it goes straight to the charity who work out there and I can rest safe in the knowledge that my money is doing some good at least. krissy you've been losing this argument for a long time. Just give up please

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'Krissy! Come play me! Krissy!'

~BB~

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You're just too entertaining.

My Siren is calling though. I wish I could phaselock you. That was dumb. Out!

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Originally Posted by GroobyKrissy

Sadly, I have no argument for this and quite honestly, it is the first thing you've said that actually makes sense. One does reap what one sows.

So, the next question, is can you choose to be the bigger person, take the high road, and offer a sincere bit of well-wishing? That's all I'm saying.

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I wish everyone well.. i'm quite nice like that :)

How did this not make sense to you:

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Originally Posted by Jamie French

Yeah, I'm dumb. The kind of stupid person that runs their own music studio, video production company, is one of Grooby Productions highest paid video editors, runs their own solo website, dates the hottest trans and main stream porn stars alike, doesn't have to work a day job for a living, does what they want when they want without having to answer to a single living soul, stays in shape, is completely self disciplined, is drug and disease free, has a loving family life and is completely self actualized. I sure do sound pretty stupid.

You can't even begin to touch me ya' big wad. Let it go and return to your jerkin' off on the internet. That's your role in all of this. Don't forget your station in life.

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I simply asked why she has to beg strangers for the rent money when she has so many sources of income... seems fairly reasonable to me :/

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Originally Posted by winston93

ok krissy i think you're just being fecitious now and it's embaressing. My point was that if im going to give strangers money it'll be to people who deserve it.
Also you're confusing aid money and charitable donations; the money that lines the pockets of dictators and corrupt politicians is aid money paid from western governments not charity donations. Aid is paid from government to government and yes you're right often that money doesnt go to the needy. but when I or any individual donate money it goes straight to the charity who work out there and I can rest safe in the knowledge that my money is doing some good at least. krissy you've been losing this argument for a long time. Just give up please

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So who is naive now? You clearly do not understand how many charities work. This little thing called 'overhead' or 'administrative costs'... yeah... I'll just let Bella take this one if she wants.

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Originally Posted by GroobyKrissy

So who is naive now? You clearly do not understand how many charities work. This little thing called 'overhead' or 'administrative costs'... yeah... I'll just let Bella take this one if she wants.

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Pass. It should be common sense that charities don't pay for themselves. Thanks for the shout though. And I appreciate what you're trying to do; I just think you chose the wrong horse to back this time. Enjoy your game, hon. :)

~BB~

Oh, and one more thing. We're on a site dedicated to beautiful transwomen, many of whom are worlds better looking than I'll ever be. So why is it wrong for me to utilize my intelligence to level the playing field? I don't brag about it unless I'm on the defensive or being ironic, so it seems fair to me. :?

~BB~

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Originally Posted by GrimFusion

You don't win an argument by calling everyone around you stupid. You're sure as hell not making any friends that way. I think it's pretty safe to assume that you're not going to say anything valuable enough to deflect the negative opinions that keep showing up in the thread. You lost your point two pages ago while you were trying to tell everyone to keep their opinions to themselves in a public forum. We can both see how well that has worked.

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Grim... if you love Bella that much, get a room. Seriously.

Bella is adult enough and also witty enough to know that this is tongue-in-cheek humor. She gives. She receives. Much like a whore. I sincerely doubt she needs you, and your All-Important Self to stick up for her but she probably appreciates the respect.

Thanks for keeping score too. I'm really not here to 'win' arguments, and if you have looked at my posting history, you'll see that I rarely get involved in actual discussions of this nature. Just every once in a while when one strikes me and I have the free time. Unlike yourself, I'm pretty secure in my intelligence and don't really need to show it off and put other people down at every chance I get to stroke my own ego.

Well i dont donate to dodgy charities like that and anyway you were talking about foriegn aid money going to corrupt governments. the charity i normally support is Oxfam a well established and respected charity here in england. You are ignoring every good argument krissy and just trying to be a smart ass.

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Originally Posted by GroobyKrissy

So who is naive now? You clearly do not understand how many charities work. This little thing called 'overhead' or 'administrative costs'... yeah... I'll just let Bella take this one if she wants.

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You're telling us not to be cynical and yet your own cynicism over charitable giving sounds like the usual lazy excuse for not wasting money on such causes.

A great many charities have total transparency in their accounts these days which indicate exactly how much if any of their funding goes on administration costs. The most successful effort in the UK, Comic Relief, has raised over £100M in recent years without a single penny going on anything other than the aid itself.

Your argument is at best self-deceiving and at worst wilfully naive.

And I can't believe that an incident in which $550 was apparently stolen is now up for comparison against the entire global apparatus of charitable giving. smh.

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Originally Posted by loveboof

I wish everyone well.. i'm quite nice like that :)

How did this not make sense to you:

I simply asked why she has to beg strangers for the rent money when she has so many sources of income... seems fairly reasonable to me :/

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COMPLETELY REASONABLE QUESTION.

That is fine and I don't have a problem with that. I have a problem with people making light of what could have turned out to be a very bad situation, mocking the OP, and offering their negative input into a thread which should have just been a 'that sucks but be well' type thread.

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My thoughts exactly, old bean. :geek:

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Originally Posted by GroobyKrissy

Grim... if you love Bella that much, get a room. Seriously.

Bella is adult enough and also witty enough to know that this is tongue-in-cheek humor. She gives. She receives. Much like a whore. I sincerely doubt she needs you, and your All-Important Self to stick up for her but she probably appreciates the respect.

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LMFAO! Love this! :lol:

Otherwise, I actually quite appreciate his support.

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Originally Posted by GroobyKrissy

I'm pretty secure in my intelligence and don't really need to show it off and put other people down at every chance I get to stroke my own ego.

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You really think that's why I do what I do? I do what I do because bitches be trifling and it makes us all look bad! :lol:

~BB~

im pretty sure only one person mocked, a few doubted but most were just unimpressed by the begging.

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Originally Posted by robertlouis

You're telling us not to be cynical and yet your own cynicism over charitable giving sounds like the usual lazy excuse for not wasting money on such causes.

A great many charities have total transparency in their accounts these days which indicate exactly how much if any of their funding goes on administration costs. The most successful effort in the UK, Comic Relief, has raised over £100M in recent years without a single penny going on anything other than the aid itself.

Your argument is at best self-deceiving and at worst wilfully naive.

And I can't believe that an incident in which $550 was apparently stolen is now up for comparison against the entire global apparatus of charitable giving. smh.

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OK.. I will state this ONE MORE TIME.

I have not (someone please point this out to me) COMPARED Jamie's issue with ANY CHARITABLE ORGANIZATION. See, there are these things called 'Threads' and then there are 'Discussions' that go on in these 'Threads'. Sometimes the 'Discussions' take 'Tangents' into other 'Discussions' that have nothing to do with the original 'Thread'. This was the case when I was talking with @Winston93. It was a 'Discussion' on a 'Topic' that just struck me as needing an 'Answer'. I like 'Quotes'.

You have no idea how much money I donate so you're speaking out of turn on this one. Those who have dealt with me personally, probably don't have any problems believing that I support a very wide variety of charities with a substantial portion of the proceeds from my site. I have no problems donating to worthy causes, either time, energy, or resources. But it is NOT cynical to ask and know where exactly your money is going, and making sure that 0.90 of your dollar is not going to cover 'administrative costs'.

And since I know this is coming. I do not think it cynical to ask questions about this subject as in, 'Hey, if I send you money, how do I know you're not using it for something else and it really is going to your rent?' That was not what I originally had issue with. I had issue with the jokes and negativity about it. Throughout this thread I have not once spoken on behalf of Jamie and said you should donate to this. Ask your questions, but ask them nicely and don't make fun of something that could have turned out to be completely different and tragic. That is what I have stated throughout. Read what I've written, as long and boring as it is, and you'll see that is the case.

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You really think that's why I do what I do? I do what I do because bitches be trifling and it makes us all look bad! ~BB~

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Originally Posted by GroobyKrissy

Grim... if you love Bella that much, get a room. Seriously.

Bella is adult enough and also witty enough to know that this is tongue-in-cheek humor. She gives. She receives. Much like a whore. I sincerely doubt she needs you, and your All-Important Self to stick up for her but she probably appreciates the respect.

Thanks for keeping score too. I'm really not here to 'win' arguments, and if you have looked at my posting history, you'll see that I rarely get involved in actual discussions of this nature. Just every once in a while when one strikes me and I have the free time. Unlike yourself, I'm pretty secure in my intelligence and don't really need to show it off and put other people down at every chance I get to stroke my own ego.

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You've got that completely twisted. In fact, I thought Bella was defending me at first, but it's a little more obvious that we both happen to share the same opinion. An opinion I posed long before Bella fleshed it out a few pages later. I can't help that you picked her to bicker with instead of me, but in challenging her opinion you're (unknowingly) challenging mine. I'm otherwise quite aware that Bella can defend herself in a conversation and I usually make a point out of ducking out so she can hand her own messes.

Don't pull the "I'm so above this" card because you wouldn't have been involved at all if that were true. I couldn't care less about your post history because each and every time I've noticed you involved in an argument, you always resort to the same tactics when you lose ground. Defame, distract, defend, and distort. When other people stoop to using the same tactics, you're suddenly so above arguing that it's all behind you and everybody else is immature for carrying on like prattling children.

Lame.

If it's all the same though, I'd rather not keep arguing.
Can we kiss and make up or something?
I don't think I've had a single conversation with you around HA that didn't degenerate into a mess of accusations. I'm not that hard to get along with. We've just never had a chance to be civil with one-another.

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Originally Posted by winston93

im pretty sure only one person mocked, a few doubted but most were just unimpressed by the begging.

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Hmm... like I said, I'm too lazy to check. But count them up. Pretty sure there was more than just one.

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Originally Posted by GrimFusion

You've got that completely twisted. In fact, I thought Bella was defending me at first, but it's a little more obvious that we both happen to share the same opinion. An opinion I posed long before Bella fleshed it out a few pages later. I can't help that you picked her to bicker with instead of me, but in challenging her opinion you're (unknowingly) challenging mine. I'm otherwise quite aware that Bella can defend herself in a conversation and I usually make a point out of ducking out so she can hand her own messes.

Don't pull the "I'm so above this" card because you wouldn't have been involved at all if that were true. I couldn't care less about your post history because each and every time I've noticed you involved in an argument, you always resort to the same tactics when you lose ground. Defame, distract, defend, and distort. When other people resort to the same tactics, you're suddenly so above arguing that it's all behind you and everybody else is immature for carrying on like prattling children.

Lame.

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OMG. You're so vain. You think every thing is about you. You couldn't even let Christian have his own post about his site without interjecting your superior design elements into it. And of course your Photoshop prowess trumps everyone else. Grade-A Douche. How's that for defamation?

Please, give me the quotes now. Where have I SERIOUSLY 'defamed' anyone (and look up that definition first please)?

I specifically only answer one person at a time usually for the very purpose of not mixing up the debate threads. So, the distraction only comes if you can't follow the logic.

Defend... What in the world... were you just going for alliteration here?

Distort... again, give me the quotes where I have distorted someone's words? Actually, I would say most of the 'distortion' has come from people against me, who are clearly too lazy to read the entire thread and instead hang a response on one post without getting the overall context.

Without the third and some poetic license on the first, I would pretty much say you just described your debate tactics pretty accurately.

Yeah... about that kiss and make-up... Fine. Another thread to bygones.