17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?

Vacated what area? I don't live here 23 hours a day pal.

It's time to go celebrate St Paddy's day. Like obama, I have some "Mick" in me. It's been real.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by timxxx

Normal people see a small 17yr old kid racist fucks like yourdaddy & SFTB see

http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pu...scary_9036.jpg

---

please quote my racist remarks?

Sorry to break this to you yourdaddy but hispanic, jew, and moor have nothing to do with his race. Good god I'll be glad when people stop confusing religion, nationality and ethnicity with race.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by yourdaddy

Here's a racist for you:
That would be the same MSNBC host Reverend Al Sharpton — hired by MSNBC president Phil Griffin — caught on this video clip from Evocateur, a documentary film of the late television host Morton Downey, Jr. Sharpton, seen here on the set of Downey’s television show, is heatedly shouting to an audience member:

You ain’t nothing, you a punk faggot. Now come on, do something!

That video, provided on YouTube courtesy of Tucker Carlson’s The Daily Caller, is in fact an excerpt of a trailer for the film on Downey produced by Ironbound Films. The entire trailer can be found here at the Ironbound site.
The clip of the MSNBC host hired by Mr. Griffin has now surfaced along with a series of Sharpton audio tapes. Beginning with this reference by Sharpton to the black then-mayor of New York, David Dinkins.

David Dinkins.… You wanna be the only n….on television, the only n….in the newspaper, the only n…to talk.…Don’t cover them, don’t talk to them, cause you got the only n…problem. Cause you know if a black man stood up next to ya they would see you for the whore that you really are.

Other tapes are littered with derogatory references to “Greek homos,” “Chinamen,” “Koreans sell us watermelons,” and so on.

---

Wow, yourdaddy, you've certainly proven everyone wrong about you by posting something about SOMEONE ELSE. Someone else's racist comments don't make the stuff you've said any less ridiculous. Sounds like you've got a case of internet-anonimity-induced courage. It's always easy to say ridiculous things from the comforts of your home and behind your puter. No consequences...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Nicole Dupre

What are the odds that there are two racist yourdaddys from FL on HungAngels? ;-) "Yourdaddy" was banned about 6 years ago for making racist comments towards Allanah, if I remember correctly. It happened maybe about 6-8 after Solitary Brother was banned as "Geekmeat", back in the Chefmike days.

---

I didn't think there was any argument that it was the same guy?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by seanchai

I didn't think there was any argument that it was the same guy?

---

I didn't realize that he or anyone else had acknowledged or confirmed it. It was just my own personal observation.

Finally the OPD released the 911 calls involved.

In Zimmerman's case, he never mentions race until the 911 operator specifically asks him, "Is he white, black, hispanic?"

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/videogal...Trayvon-Martin

In the neighbor calls you hear Trayvon screaming for help, and then the shots.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/os-trayv...tory?track=rss

I listen to the first tape and I hear a dumbass with a gun, should have called it in if he felt there was something suspicious and left it at that. I listen to the second tape and I hear the tragic results of that dumbass having a gun. Those of you convinced he's a racist vigilante will never be convinced otherwise, I think he's an idiot with a gun who ended one life and ruined quite a few lives.

And timxxx, I'm still waiting to see where you quote my "racist" remarks?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SFTB

Finally the OPD released the 911 calls involved.

In Zimmerman's case, he never mentions race until the 911 operator specifically asks him, "Is he white, black, hispanic?"

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/videogal...Trayvon-Martin

In the neighbor calls you hear Trayvon screaming for help, and then the shots.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/os-trayv...tory?track=rss

I listen to the first tape and I hear a dumbass with a gun, should have called it in if he felt there was something suspicious and left it at that. I listen to the second tape and I hear the tragic results of that dumbass having a gun. Those of you convinced he's a racist vigilante will never be convinced otherwise, I think he's an idiot with a gun who ended one life and ruined quite a few lives.

And timxxx, I'm still waiting to see where you quote my "racist" remarks?

---

And there you have it, ladies and gentlemen. SFTB has proven the man was not racist. We can all go home now. Apparently, all you have to do is listen to the 911 call and once you notice that he never describes the boy's race you'll realize that he just cannot be racist. I mean, based on SFTB's detailed study, all individuals who've committed a crime based on someone's race and then called the police to admit it ALWAYS mention the race of the victim immediately. It's science. Thanks for clearing this up.

I'm not going to say the man is racist but once again, you post something that is completely irrelevant to the point you're trying to make (if there is one). Congrats, he doesn't mention race. So now you conclude he wasn't racist? I'm not going to argue that he WAS racist because you don't need to be a racist to hurt someone because of a stereotype, you just need to be an idiot. But if you're going to flat out say he's not racist try to pick some better evidence to prove your point, scientist.

For example, anytime SFTB commits a hate crime he makes sure to note the victims race for two reasons: (1) so you know he's racist, and (2) for his journal.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by StinkyPete1000

And there you have it, ladies and gentlemen. SFTB has proven the man was not racist.

---

Hey stinkypeter, where did I say I prove he's not a racist? Instead of being a reactionary shithead, and making my words what they arent, read it just like I wrote it.

I believe he's and asshole with a gun. Just like I believe your an asshole with a keyboard. I havent proved your an asshole with a keyboard, but I do believe it so.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SFTB

Hey stinkypeter, where did I say I prove he's not a racist? Instead of being a reactionary shithead, and making my words what they arent, read it just like I wrote it.

I believe he's and asshole with a gun. Just like I believe your an asshole with a keyboard. I havent proved your an asshole with a keyboard, but I do believe it so.

---

I see you've exhausted your studies and have gone to name calling. Typical. Here's what you said: "Those of you convinced he's a racist vigilante will never be convinced otherwise, I think he's an idiot with a gun who ended one life and ruined quite a few lives."

I'm sorry, does that not imply that you think he was not racist. Wasn't the WHOLE point of your post to imply that this was not racially charged. Don't get mad at me because poking holes in the garbage that come out of your mouth is easy.

And also, don't get tough because you're behind your computer. Eithe prove me wrong or don't say anything at all.

If your point wasn't to downplay the racial aspect of this whole thing why post anything at all? You said those who think he's racist will never be convinced otherwise. Haven't you been trying to convince them otherwise THIS ENTIRE TIME.

Call me an asshole all you want (from the comforts of your computer of course) but if you don't want to look foolish don't say foolish things. You're still a pup when it comes to making an argument. Perhaps you can practice on a fried before you make anymore statements that way there's not need for you to get mad when you get called on what you're saying.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by StinkyPete1000

I see you've exhausted your studies and have gone to name calling. Typical. Here's what you said: "Those of you convinced he's a racist vigilante will never be convinced otherwise, I think he's an idiot with a gun who ended one life and ruined quite a few lives."

I'm sorry, does that not imply that you think he was not racist.

---

So now you've changed it from , "I've proven he's not a racist" to I'm implying he's not a racist. You did include my quote. When you whittle your reactinary bullshit down enough to get to my exact words, that I think he's an idiot with a gun, you'll finally be speaking the truth about what I wrote.

You might want to look at yourself. You dont attack the other posters in this thread for saying things like, "He was shot because he's black" or titling the thread "black kid shot while walking through white suburbia" and then failing to mention "By a Hispanic" Are you so hellbent on race that you cant accept this thread was tainted from the beginning? Did white suburbia influence Hispanic vigilantes to crusade against black youths? Or did an idiot cop wannabe kill someone?

And at the very least, your point was that this incident was not racially charged (which is different than saying he's racist of course). But the support for that argument was the 911 call. My point was that the fact that he doesn't mention the boy's race means nothing. Find better support. Beforehand, you were posting articles about completely unrelated stories. My point then was also that it didn't support your argument. I get your point, but come on, I hope you understand that what you're saying isn't helping your point at all. It's literally nonsensical.

I can see that you've got this typing thing down to a science (get it) I'm just trying to get you to use your noodle while you type.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SFTB

So now you've changed it from , "I've proven he's not a racist" to I'm implying he's not a racist. You did include my quote. When you whittle your reactinary bullshit down enough to get to my exact words, that I think he's an idiot with a gun, you'll finally be speaking the truth about what I wrote.

You might want to look at yourself. You dont attack the other posters in this thread for saying things like, "He was shot because he's black" or titling the thread "black kid shot while walking through white suburbia" and then failing to mention "By a Hispanic" Are you so hellbent on race that you cant accept this thread was tainted from the beginning? Did white suburbia influence Hispanic vigilantes to crusade against black youths? Or did an idiot cop wannabe kill someone?

---

Oh boy. First, a quick lesson: Hispanic is not a race (I feel like a broken record) so including that in the title means nothing. Second, yes I've been so focused on race that I've posted other news stories about white people being shot to prove a point, posted a 911 call waiting to hear of the caller would mention race, and spent my time tryin to convince people this was not about race. Yup. I'm sure focused on race.

My beef from the very beginning has been less with the shooter and more with how this whole thing was handled. It really doesn't matter WHY he was shot (which is why I see no reason to answer those that say they know why he was shot). He could have been shot for wearing a hung angels t-shirt. The true tragedy is how law enforcement appear to have handled the situation. In my opinion that's when race probably reared it's ugly head.

There have been tons of articles written about how race plays a crucial role in criminal investigations and the subsequent prosecution. So setting aside the reasons for the actual shooting, the second part (the investigation, arrests, etc) just demonstrate how race still plays a role in many aspects of our lives including the criminal justice system.

In fact, there is a running joke in certain prosecutors offices (which I will not mention) that you're a crappy defense lawyer if you can't work out a good deal for a white client. http://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/vie...prosecution%22

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by StinkyPete1000

And at the very least, your point was that this incident was not racially charged (which is different than saying he's racist of course). But the support for that argument was the 911 call. My point was that the fact that he doesn't mention the boy's race means nothing. Find better support. Beforehand, you were posting articles about completely unrelated stories. My point then was also that it didn't support your argument. I get your point, but come on, I hope you understand that what you're saying isn't helping your point at all. It's literally nonsensical.

I can see that you've got this typing thing down to a science (get it) I'm just trying to get you to use your noodle while you type.

---

Now you've bactracked from I've proven, to I'm implying, to now it's "the point I'm trying to make"

When you get to what I wrote, after listening to the tapes, I think he's an idiot with a gun. My beliefs from what I have listened to. I didnt start a thread mentioning 2 races and leaving out the race of the shooter.

I've posted articles here where race was definitely an issue, the criminals said they were attacking the victims because of the color of their skin. My point was in these cases no hate crime was prosecuted. This guy in Sanford is an idiot with a gun, you are trying to figure what was in his heart and mind, you cant do that, anymore than you can twist my words when what I wrote is right there. You can believe whatever you want.

You cant make a race thing out of an idiot with a gun thing.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by StinkyPete1000

Hispanic is not a race

---

http://www.census.gov/population/www.../hispanic.html

George Zimmerman's 911 call. This guy is deranged.

George Zimmerman 911 call reporting Trayvon Martin - YouTube


Florida's 2005 'Stand Your Ground' law is allowing assholes to literally get away with murder.

“A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.”


Unbelievable.
All you have to do is tell a cop,' I thought Mr. X was going to kill me(with his bare hands) and in most cases if you murder someone after some altercation, most Florida law enforcement won't prosecute. No investigation, no nothing.


The other person doesn't even have to be armed.
Basically if you get in a public shouting match with someone, they have the right under Florida law to smoke you, if they claim they were afraid you were going to kill them first.


50/50 nothing happens to Zimmerman, even though he was stalking his victim.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SFTB

http://www.census.gov/population/www.../hispanic.html

---

And? How does this prove me wrong? Because its on the census?? Seriously? Hispanic is a term used to describe a group of people who represent multiple races. That is why there are both black and white puertoricans but both can describe themselves as Hispanic. Come on dude. Read something.

"Now you've bactracked from I've proven, to I'm implying, to now it's "the point I'm trying to make"

Not backtracking at all. If your reasoning for pointing out that the shooter did not mention the victim's race was NOT to support your point that he wasn't racist then what was your reasoning? My point (using "and at the very least") was meant to preempt any backtracking on your part. It's simple, if your focus on his failure to mention race on the 911 call was NOT to prove that he's not racist, then at the very least it was meant to prove that the crime was not racially motivated. But guess what, in either case, the fact that he didn't mention race is moot. Making that point is useless, unless you've got proof that his failure to mention race has meaning. You've not made that argument. So if I got it all wrong, why mention the fact that he didn't mention race at all?

"When you get to what I wrote, after listening to the tapes, I think he's an idiot with a gun. My beliefs from what I have listened to. I didnt start a thread mentioning 2 races and leaving out the race of the shooter."

I don't disagree that he's an idiot. So we agree on one thing. But idiots are certainly capable of making mistakes based on prejudice. You've concluded that he was simply an idiot why? Because he didn't mention the boy's race on the call? Again, that is not logical reasoning. You're playing down the racial aspect of this case because of that one fact. That's short-sighted. Like I said before, my problem is with how the police have handled this but the 911 call establishes nothing.

And, for the last time: Hispanic is not a race, even if it is on the census form. Look at Latin America as a whole. There are people of all races (the ex-president of Peru was of Japanese ethnicity but was a peruvian citizen). The word "hispanic" is a term used to pigeon whole the various cultures of Latin America simply because they speak the same language. I'm of puertorican descent and I can tell you that our culture has very little in common with Argentinian culture for example but you'd still classify us as Hispanic, right? It doesn't make any sense. While Spanish may be the common language, the individuals speaking the language are of many different races.

http://campello.tripod.com/hispanic.html

In fact, the 2010 census was updated to make it clear that Hispanic was NOT a race, it says: "For this census, Hispanic origins are not races." But I guess you wouldn't know that since your parents still fill your census out.
Race and ethnicity in the United States Census - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"I've posted articles here where race was definitely an issue, the criminals said they were attacking the victims because of the color of their skin. My point was in these cases no hate crime was prosecuted. This guy in Sanford is an idiot with a gun, you are trying to figure what was in his heart and mind, you cant do that, anymore than you can twist my words when what I wrote is right there. You can believe whatever you want."

First, your articles are unrelated to this case so using them as examples is pointless. So they were clearly about race but not classified a hate crime...ok. So your problem should be with whoever makes that classification but it doesn't mean anything here. The fact that they were not classified as hate crimes is not the issue. The real issue, at least in my opinion, is how the criminal was treated. If the criminal was quickly arrested and punished, then the hate crime classification is meaningless. Obviously, if this crime here was classified as a hate crime, then that classification means nothing since Zimmerman has not yet been arrested.

I'm not trying to figure out what's in his heart. In fact, I mentioned earlier that my problem is with how this case was handled. Even if it wasn't racially motivated, it's still troubling that a young, unarmed black child can be murdered and the shooter can still walk around a free man while the investigation continues. It's weird that I'm the one trying to figure out what's in his heart when you've already concluded that he's just an idiot with a gun and that this was not racially motivated. How is that NOT trying to figure out what's in his heart?

Will you fuckers over there stop with your gun obsession.... Fucking security guard with a gun.. A wannabe cop... Probably slides across his bonnet when no one looking then whacks off whilst wearing his uniform. Only a matter time before someone is shot

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...t-self-defense

"These a-------. They always get away," Zimmerman said on a 911 call." (I wonder what he meant by "these assholes"...he probably meant young teenagers...)

"The two women, roommates, came forward to say they heard the teen calling for help." (To Sunshyne, yeah, he was probably robbing someone)

"Several Sanford residents who spoke to The Associated Press Friday said they think there would have been an arrest already if
the shooter had been black and the deceased had been white. They said blacks and whites in this city of 53,000 residents were pretty much in agreement that an injustice had been done with no one arrested, and that there was no racial divide in how the case is being perceived. The city is 57 percent white and 30 percent black."

You can hear Zimmerman whipping this kid's ass as Travyon calls for help. Then the gunshot.
CAUTION 911 call Trayvon Martin yelling for help gunshot heard in background - YouTube

Anyone considered the lunacy of gun laws so lax that a certifiable whack job like Mr Zimmerman can carry one and use it with apparent impunity in his neighbourhood? *smfh*

Look, the problem here isn't Zimmerman. There are crazy people everywhere with guns. The REAL problem is the police department. Even for some unforeseen reason he's exonerated (I doubt it), it is standard legal policy to arrest those people who kill other people. He should have been behind bars immediately and held there, just like anyone who has confessed murder, with the weapon and matching bullets to prove it. I am still in awe that this guy hasn't had a single charge brought against him and he's roaming free.

Is it possible you can get another police department to arrest the sheriff or whoever heads the Sanford Police Department for derelict of duty? That is insane.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Nowhere

Look, the problem here isn't Zimmerman. There are crazy people everywhere with guns. The REAL problem is the police department. Even for some unforeseen reason he's exonerated (I doubt it), it is standard legal policy to arrest those people who kill other people. He should have been behind bars immediately and held there, just like anyone who has confessed murder, with the weapon and matching bullets to prove it. I am still in awe that this guy hasn't had a single charge brought against him and he's roaming free.

Is it possible you can get another police department to arrest the sheriff or whoever heads the Sanford Police Department for derelict of duty? That is insane.

---

Agreed. This was handled extremely poorly to say the least.

Well, this isn't a case of a white guy that is crazy about his authoratative power. What you all have failed to notice, that the guy is of hispanic desent. So now it is not a evil white man. Everyone is all about blaming "whitey" for all of societies woes. You all need to get over your high and mighty attitudes. Oh, and all you euro-trash creeps need to take care of your own problems before you judge the U.S. That is all.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by fordly66

Well, this isn't a case of a white guy that is crazy about his authoratative power. What you all have failed to notice, that the guy is of hispanic desent. So now it is not a evil white man. Everyone is all about blaming "whitey" for all of societies woes. You all need to get over your high and mighty attitudes. Oh, and all you euro-trash creeps need to take care of your own problems before you judge the U.S. That is all.

---

LOL and that is one reason why the international world dislikes us.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by fordly66

Well, this isn't a case of a white guy that is crazy about his authoratative power. What you all have failed to notice, that the guy is of hispanic desent. So now it is not a evil white man. Everyone is all about blaming "whitey" for all of societies woes. You all need to get over your high and mighty attitudes. Oh, and all you euro-trash creeps need to take care of your own problems before you judge the U.S. That is all.

---

Hispanic is white. "Eurotrash" haha -fuck off. As I said at the start of this thread, news is international, not exclusive.

I don't care if Zimmerman was green with blue polka dots, the crime was racially motivated. Zimmerman stalked and confronted Trayvon because he was BLACK.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Nicole Dupre

Funny how a thread based on a story like this gets all the idiots and racists to come crawling out of the woodwork.

---

YOU RANG?
Those Wannabe cops are the worst, I've had run ins with them before.
I believe there is a kind and all knowing God awaiting all of us, but trust me, in jail, they have NIGGERS there.

FINALLY, my chance to put up "fight on a bus" I was afraid I wouldn't be able to. Check out the sweet chick in the turquoise top and headphones.

And oh yeah, that poor kid got senselessly murdered. Period

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67V6D0oK0hM

The reports I have read suggest that Trayvon was walking through 'a gated white community' -as he had gone to a store to get some Skittles and a soda, I assume he was taking a short cut to get back to the place where he was staying nearby, though it isn't clear why he would go through the 'gated community' and if he went through it on the first leg of the trip. What does interest me is the concept of Neighbourhood Watch, which we do have here in the EuroTrashland, as well as gated communities. If you then set someone up as a 'Neighbourhood Watch Captain' as I have seen Zimmerman described, you are inviting this person to behave responsibly or irresponsibly depending on their personality.

For example, Zimmerman immedately called the cops when he saw Trayvon and they told him to stay in his vehicle, but he not only left it, he took his gun with him as well. He could have just sat in the vehicle and 'observed'; or he could have approached the boy and asked him what he was doing in a 'gated community' which, presumably is equivalent to trespassing on private property (?). I don't know what Skittles are in the USA and whether or not they can cause serious injury, but there are times when people who are given authority exceed it, throw their weight around, and become irate and aggressive if someone dares to challenge them -after all in the end they are just citizens, not authorized policemen with the powers to arrest someone.

If it interests us here in EuroTrashland, it is not just because of the 'human interest', but because the Government is proposing a 'private-public partnerships' which will enable 'front-line policing' to focus on major crime while privately run squads will do things like patrolling neighbourhoods with the powers of arrest. Luckily most of our Police do not carry guns, but I can see some innocent person getting annoyed with an inflated ego in a uniform, and causing a disturbance which otherwise would not have happened.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/ma...ty-firms-crime

There was no 'neighborhood watch' in this community. Zimmerman appointed HIMSELF to be the 'Neighborhood Watch Captain'.


THis poor kid left a relative's house to go pick up an iced tea and candy from a convenience store, then headed back.

Zimmerman followed Trayvon all the way back home, confronting him before he could get to the door of his house.

I got the info from this article in the NYT, there seem to be many disputed facts in this case...

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/17/op...trayvon&st=cse

No one will put the picture up of Trayvon in his hoodie...wonder why. They seem to love the 12 year old shots...wonder why.

Even the NY Times said that Zimmerman came from a "multi-racial" background. Maybe that will shut up the haters that hollered "White", and put me down for saying he was as white as obama.

I live in a multi-racial (Hispanic, Italian, Greek and Anglo) neighborhood. A single black kid would be stupid to walk around by himself in 85 degree heat with his sweat shirt hood up unless he was looking for trouble.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by yourdaddy

No one will put the picture up of Trayvon in his hoodie...wonder why.

---

Someone already did. Not that it's at all relevant to anything. And your internet detective bullshit trying to extrapolate criminal behavior from a person's fashion apparel is probably the most profoundly retarded thing I've had the displeasure of reading in a long time. Bottom line is, the kid was unarmed and pursued by a man who was armed. A man who was explicitly told not to by the police. Zimmerman had no business confronting him, let alone getting in any sort of altercation and shooting the kid.

I keep reading comments about how Zimmerman was Hispanic, insinuating that he couldn't be racist. I don't know where you guys live, but the whole concept of all minorities loving eachother and getting along is ridiculous. Minorities hate on eachother more than white people do...here in LA for example it is well knows that Blacks and Hispanics do not get along. Prejudice is not exclusive to white people....

I live in the area. That particular part of town has a history for horrible race relations. It's not a good place history wise for race relations.

they are not asking people from around the area the history of certain race relation incidents. If so, then it would change the light of this story.

but in the end, this guy is still a piece of shit delusional sob...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by seanchai

Hispanic is white. "Eurotrash" haha -fuck off. As I said at the start of this thread, news is international, not exclusive.

---

That wasn't meant toward you. I read some comments from others on here and from times in the past about how things in the U.S. are so barbaric. Like every country in Europe is so superior, gets old hearing it.

And this young man shouldn't have been harassed and then murdered. I truely do hate hearing about black people being unjustly murdered.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by yourdaddy

A single black kid would be stupid to walk around by himself in 85 degree heat with his sweat shirt hood up unless he was looking for trouble.

---

I thought it was raining.

And why can't a black kid wear whatever he wants? Wearing a hood on your head is a calculable risk now? What if he had on a Malcolm X t-shirt? What else can't a single black kid wear without risking having a self-appointed security guard with a gun kill them?