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Originally Posted by acdaddy69
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Originally Posted by acdaddy69
There's a lot of information about this procedure in the book Travesti by Don Kulick if anyone is interested. After reading it and seeing how transwomen often get the curves, it made me feel like a total shit as a trans-admirer or tranny-chaser or whatever the fuck I am, because it's the desire for clockability or passability or whatever that drives this.
At least in the book Travesti, the silicone used is industrial grade. Nasty shit.
r u serious. Reading this sounded funny but its not and time for you girls to stop this madness. Even before Sarina made this video I thought she was going overboard with the silicone shit and she didnt need it in my opinion. :confused::confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nikka
For Sarina...
i wish you to get well soon and hope that anyone who is beside you will support you through all this pain (which i think will be equally divided between phisical and mental pain)...
You will always a wonderfull girl... not only a beautifull girl but a wonderfull girl all around...
she's doing ok now ;p
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hot hot hotQuote:
Originally Posted by nonnonnon
She and Madison Montag have been having a bang up time, what with the AVNs in Vegas and all, but she's still got issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by nonnonnon
I wish her all the best. She's one that sussed out the bad stuff early and I hope that realization does her some good.
Damn I wish I could have seen her when I was there (and I DID see Madison). I hope she comes to the Tranny Awards...
I would thoroughly recommend that book to anyone with more than a passing interest in these issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by Christastic
I used to prefer the spectacular curves that silicone can give, but since I began to discover what it can do, I find myself less and less attracted. Get a good look at a case of elephant feet (where silicone has slumped to the lowest part of the body) pumping pits (where a needle caused an infection that abcessed) or malformations where accident (or violence) has simply pushed the plastic out of shape, or hear some of the stories of girls constantly in pain, the procedures required to remove the silicone, not to mention the tragic case of Sarina Valentina, and I would hope that anyone would think twice.
Yes she is. Silicone is the nasty underbelly of transformation. What you must realise is that girls suffering from levels of body dysmorphia that most of us could only wonder at are desperate to change themselves and quickly. THey're not thinking even three of four years ahead, they just want it NOW. Add to that the pressure that's put on them to conform to a standardised ideal of female beauty, which requires big curvy bums and full tits. Hormones can do a lot but these girls are under pressure to do more and hormones take time, especially of the girl begins transition even in her late teens, never mind twenties--three or four years to make real differences.Quote:
Originally Posted by slingblade
Then again, the use of feminising hormones will lower both erectile function and penis size. If the girl is on the game then she is under pressure to cut her hormones and rely on silicone to give the feminine shape, because as is well known, many men want to be 'topped.'...from then on it's a train ride, more surgeries, more silicone...a train that will certainly end in a wreck.
there are other options to enhancing the shape/body that many girls use not just liquid silicone ..
PMMA is a form that is used more in brazil now ,, again its not fda approved in teh uk/usa but its alot safer than generic silicone.. its legal in brazil if using newplastic ..
Brazzilian Butt Lift with Fat Transfer - well says it all really .. if your not fat your fucked with this one as you have nothing to move/migrate ..but its popular (but it is the only injection based substance that wont be rejected by your body)
Buttock Implants - now tehse are the tried and tested method unfortunately you get what you pay for with them ... there is only a select few surgeons that really specialise in the this filed and actually use the correct silicone implants/shape them to the contors of the body and use correct placement ...I have seen some females that have outstanding bottoms from the use of these .. plus side of implants is simply if someone goes wrong they can be removed easily enough ..
Macrolane Injections - now macrolane is supposedly the filler of the future its 100% biodegradable into the human body and doesnt hurt us ... it is FDA approved in uk and europe not sure about usa yet ..but its biggest problem is simply that the results dont seem to last much more than 6-12months then you have to have it done again .. so imagine the cost on these each year for top ups ....
As Macreach said hormones will shape us abit but only to a degree and obviously the younger you start the better .. myself i am 34 started in august 2008 on my hormones and its taken me this long to put weight on, start curving out slighty and my ass is relatively still flat as an ironboard lol Out of all the procedures the only one i would consider is buttock implants simply as the safety element of being able to take them out ..
You also forget the other issues of hormones macshreach .. liver damge, mood swings, increased risk to blood clotting etc .
I wish sarina all the best she seems a nice girl sure with time she can deal with this accordingly .. fair play for her honesty about it .
Fat transfers are used in reconstructive surgery for women who have had mastectomies; however they are not at all a sure fix and there are plenty of horror stories. I would say that technique was experimental and to be approached with great care.
As you say there are risks from hormones which also include cancer (oestrogen is implicated in breast cancer, for example) but nevertheless, when prescribed by an endocrinologist who is experienced with transition, and who will be monitoring the blood regularly, these are much less than the risks posed by silicone, which by the way can also cause thromboses, granulomas, and auto-immune reactions.
The whole process of transition presents risk, but I think it would be a fine thing if more people managed these risks in an informed manner--you've obviously done this but it's by no means the rule.
I think one of the main problems is that there aren't really other options if you have a masculine shaped body and want curvy hips. They have buttocks implants (which often look fake), but they don't have any type of natural-looking way to get bigger, curvier hips. It really is a shame that she's going through this, I hope she has a safe recovery. Another thing; yes this type of procedure is very risky and can affect your health, but we all feel differently about our bodies and some of us (including myself) are more interested in having curvy bodies than big breasts, for example. I don't think it's right that some of you are judging her and others who just want to feel comfortable in the body they're in, even if it means undergoing a risky procedure. For example, I'd much rather have fuller hips than big breasts, and I completely understand why girls would want to do this sort of thing, and I don't agree with some of you calling them "stupid." You don't want people to judge you, so don't judge others. But, it makes me sick that some of these fake doctors are so careless about others and so money hungry that they'll inject girls with random, toxic substances and then lie to the girls about it, making them think they'll be perfectly fine when in fact they could be dying at that very moment. Hopefully they'll come out with a safer way to enhance, so we don't have to jeopardize our health.
how old is Sarina?, in her last Jay sin something video I saw something I didn't like :(
I think she's 25?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nikka
it's ok I thought she was youngerQuote:
Originally Posted by maddygirl
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Originally Posted by LibertyHarkness
"it is FDA approved in uk and europe not sure about use yet"
When did the FDA start approving things for the UK and europe???
Bloody tragic for this poor girl. Huge sympathy to you Sarina. Very brave to post this - but braver still to be going through it.
Sooos, a GG friend just paid to have her PIP breast implants replaced.Quote:
Originally Posted by gmercer
On later examination, it transpired the implants were seeping. The silicone migrates to the major organs. Same for direct silicone injections. Long term health implications are not known but immediate side effects are:
Redness, Heat, Pain, rippling,
all of which my friend has experienced and documented history with her GP,
prior to the PIP scandal becoming public knowledge in the uk.
As to costs of fixing the problem:
As we have all said, we DO NOT think that the NHS should incur any cost other than in the case of their own patients. As to 'Buyer beware' ...Most private clinics used in this country were "reputable"
While this applies to dodgy breast implants, silicone freely moving through the body is relevant to this thread.
Fat transfer: A % gets reabsorbed, the amount dependent upon the body are being treated. Surgeons 'overfill' to allow for this.
A friend had fat body sculpting in her bum, stomach area. It was a re-sculpting to adjust results from surgery 6 months earlier. {And her PIP implants replaced at the same time.}
It's a lot less risky than silicone as the product is your body rather than an alien non-degradable that potentially migrates throughout the body.
But fat sculpting has risks which don't get talked about.
It's not been assigned to the fat sculpting procedure she had just undergone,
but my friend had a heart attack in post op and died.
RIP Maria. xxx
Good point. In the uk stuff is regulated and products have to pass stringent tests BSi kite markQuote:
Originally Posted by AmyDaly
However the abortion called the EU European union fucks us all over. Specifically there is a continent wide agreement on standards so if approved by the government regulator in one country its automatically cleared as ok in all 27 euro countries-----called free trade.
Ok so far?
Right. The PIP company owner bribed the TU inspectors to hide the fact he was using silicone for furniture {not safe for human bodies}
The fake checks were never examined by any regulatory body in any of the other countries as thats against the rules.
Result: The public get fucked over, my friend Sooox had dodgy breast implants and got sick.
The commissioners who run the EU need to be hung from lampposts,
like the Italians did with Mussolini
You lot should nuke Brussels.
By Nats, on another {uk} trans site:Quote:
Originally Posted by LibertyHarkness
Macrolane is the first body shaping treatment using hyaluronic acid the same stuff as Restalyne. It is injected into breast tissue and slowly is absorbed by the body so you need to have it redone every 12-18 months. At about £1500 per 100cc it is damned expensive on every count and since it is free in the body, nobody actually knows what effect cumulatively high levels of the substance can be over time. Whereas Restalyne is only going into your lips in very small quantities for Macrolane to work it requires a great deal more.
Here is their website: http://www.macrolane.com
You might also find the following forum page of substantial interest:
EXTRACT
I got very excited when I first started reading about this as I only want to go up around 1.5 cup sizes, however I soon got put off.
I've heard testimonials from ladies (not promotional material for once!) who have said the firmness resembles a squash ball at best, and even some who say that they have developed small bumps- a little like blisters, where they can see and feel the Macrolane moving around!
Again cost comes into it- £3000 to be a guinea pig?
Remember when at first they were injecting silicone straight into breast tissue, and what happened there!
I know times have changed, but still- I'm wary!
I don't mean to completely put you off- I'm sure there are successful cases out there, but do your research is all I can say
So Macrolane :
- Is not permanent - it vanishes somewhere after 18-24 months
- It is expensive when compared to Breast Augmentation, even over a 2 year period.
- It can make your breasts seem lumpy and have a different "feel"
- It cannot be removed once in the body unlike implants which can. The fact it is in your body and if something were to be discovered that showed it was dangerous, then you would be in a very difficult medical situation.
- Since it is free in your body, it could move about over time into places you did not expect. This does not happen with implants.
And I would not believe this puff piece for a Clinic for one minute
In the UK, three days ago Macrolane fillers have been withdrawn for use in breast enhancements.