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I never said that the US should invade China, where in my post does it say that? learn to read.Quote:
Originally Posted by SirCumsAlot
The unions should use the same energy they use on Wall street to help workers in China get a better living. I am sure if the unions can find ways to protest against US company's on Wall street they can also protest Chinese interests. Unions are just cowardly goons.
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Originally Posted by rileyk
I dont know, "go to China and organize the workers there so they don't have to work like slaves " kinna sound like invasion to me, but maybe I need hooked on phonicsQuote:
Originally Posted by Yvonne183
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Originally Posted by SirCumsAlot
You're just messing with words, it's not an invasion. If the UN sent a group of people to a country to organize some type of program, let's say a health care program, would that be called an invasion?
Is doctors without borders entering a country to help sick people called an invasion?
The unions can do many things to organize in China without invading them. as you say.
I know u didn't mean invasion, but it's almost impossible for America to do something without it turning into an invasion, ie this whole "War on Terror" crap(troops still stuck over there in Iraq and Afghanistan and which ever other iraqi country they're in). I can almost guarantee if we did send some people over there to help with their work system, government or whatever, things will quickly escalate into an issueQuote:
Originally Posted by Yvonne183
I really don't get the point you are trying to make. China is a communist society that doesn't give a rats ass about human right's. It would be foolish for anybody that isn't a diplomat to go in there and think they could change the way they operate. China will never change unless we stop doing so much business with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yvonne183
phhh that didnt stop us from invading iraq and killing saddam. If china had oil or some other great resource we can us for our advantage or turn into money, bet the US military would be over there in a heart beatQuote:
Originally Posted by Silcc69
They do have a great resource and it's called SLAVE LABOR.Quote:
Originally Posted by SirCumsAlot
yeah u right on that, and US actually using their slave labor too (for movies, shows and other crap), so I highly doubt US would change the slave labor thats going on anytime soon over there unless them workers look at the news and start protesting like the rest of the worldQuote:
Originally Posted by Silcc69
It's basic capitalism really. Why pay 1,000 a month for 1 single worker here when you can get 10 for the same price in China.Quote:
Originally Posted by SirCumsAlot
exactly capitalism att he root is for exploitation.. Because thats how you maximize profits.. Yvonne like it was said going to a country who cares less about human rights and trying to organize is idiotic and ethnocentric... We preach democracy and all these rights yet don't practice it.. and china's slave labor? no they actually get paid.. this country and was built on the backs of the largest slave labor in human history.. so yeah who are we to judge
I kinda like this guy,,, maybe I was wrong about the protesters, he sounds kinda OK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFz1VVXsWRU
China has a decent military, a huge amount of US Treasury holdings, an historic ally in Russia, nukes, and a a few biilion people to throw at a war.Quote:
Originally Posted by SirCumsAlot
We may be stupid but we're not crazy. War with China? Nope.
You're doing the same thing Sir cum a lot did with my posts, you're messing with a single word like slave and messing it up. The Chinese worker does get slave wages, is that better for you,, sheeesh.Quote:
Originally Posted by soul4real
As far as us preaching to the world isn't that what the protesters are doing on Wall street,, preaching to others the evils of corporations, everyone preaches whether you like it or not. And give me a break with this slavery in the US stuff,, it's over, been gone a long time, get over it. Here's an article I found on the net, here's just a part of it:
In 1755, the expulsions began. Settlements and farms were burned. Men and boys were separated from women and children, and all were loaded into cargo vessels contracted in Boston and dispersed throughout the colonies. Because a strength of Acadian life was in their close extended family system, the British believed fragmenting the families was essential.
Many Acadians under twenty-one years old were indentured to farmers in Massachusetts, New York and Pennsylvania. Others were shipped to South Carolina, Georgia, the French West Indies, and a few were shipped to France.
Of those sent to South Carolina, reportedly only one in ten survived. In Georgia, the Acadians were sold into slavery.
this was done to my people,, but we don't hear the cajuns complaining about British brutality, can I being a Cajun ask the Brits for compensation for some of my people being put into slavery. Some of my ancestors where slaves but we got over the past and live our lives for the future, you should do the same. Give the US slavery thing a break already. Anyways,, if we go by you're example then we can't have the Germans judge anyone cause of their horrid past, same goes for the Brits who reigned brutality all over the world, according to you the Brits should not preach any human rights because of their evil past.
He makes a little sense. I don't agree with everything, but overall he's got sound demands. I like him, too. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Yvonne183
Can't go back to the gold standard, though; it's just impossible, there's not enough of it. That's why its value keeps rising, lol!
Ok yeah its clear that your an educated idiot. thanks for exposing that so I dont have to further discuss things with you.. Chattel slavery done to African americans is different then any in human history. It also detached a people from their native land leaving them with no home country, native language, or cutlutre but of those who raped their image, and handed them a new one. And if you were as educated as you try to appear you would know what happened to african slaves after the civil war.. You think blacks were free and everything was equal?? yeah look up reconstruction era. things were worse for blacks and left the race impoverished. But im sure the high imprisonment rate of blacks, disease, poverty, and lack of education is all just because we're lazy and dumb.. yeah
Time to pull a Natina
The Underprivileged White Male
TIM WISE ON THE CREATION OF WHITENESS (CLIP)
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TIM WISE ON THE "DOMINANT HISTORICAL NARRATIVE"
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TIM WISE ON WHITE PRIVILEGE (TEASER)
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wow never heard this before.. Its sad he's not more popular... He spitting truth that whites really don't want to hear
Blah, Blah blah,,yawn. yes you're holocaust is worse than mine. You know nothing about my people either so we are equal in that respect.Quote:
Originally Posted by soul4real
Here's a vid of cry baby protesters,,, show some strength instead of crying about the police,, ha ha ha.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwgUUbgwKBU
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Originally Posted by Silcc69
Damn you Silcc, you had to go all Nutina on our arses! :hide-1:
Never heard of Tim Wise (I can't imagine why :whistle:) but that dude is speaking the TRUTH. Wow!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Silcc69
Yeah they do not want this guy talking to white ppl.. He is speaking FUCKING TRUTH. Yvonne and the likes who are compeltly ignorant closet racists, should really listen to this dude. and when i say closet racists, i refer to those, who aren't necessary racist, but refuse to acknowledge "white Privilege" that one step above racism.
Racism will end when aliens land on Earth. When that happens we aren't going to care who's white, black, Muslim, poor, gay, tall, short or who has a big cock; everyone will realize what's really important, the human race...
I wouldn't refer to Michael Moore as a capitalist. Capitalism, loosely defined, would be: investing money to make money by those who have money.Quote:
Originally Posted by onmyknees
Michael Moore isn't investing money. He merely works for a company. Like we all do. And is paid well because people go to see his movies. Nothing more, nothing less.
I mean, would one define Britney Spears as a capitalist? Or Sean Penn? Or Lindsay Lohan? Or Naomi Campbell? Or Noam Chomsky? Or the the ultra-left leaning author Paul Street -- as being capitalists? No, of course not. They work. And their books or movies or songs sell and they're paid accordingly.
We should bear in mind that we don't live in a capitalist society. Pure, genuine, authentic and real capitalism doesn't exist in America. Because the STATE plays a big role in the economy. A capitalist system requires and implores the state to have NO role. That's genuine capitalism.
Maybe we should try genuine capitalism. Who knows. But it has never been tried. And, I think, never will. Because no one believes in it.
Just like actual socialism has never been tried.
We throw these terms around without clarifying their actual meanings. Socialism does not mean state tyranny. It means: workers controlling the means of production. AND: capitalism, pure capitalism, means the STATE does not get involved, has absolutely no involvement.
What would happen to the economy if the state assumed no role? Well, it'd crash -- in about 5 minutes.
So, we don't live in a pure capitalist system. And we don't live in a socialist system. I mean, there are a slew of systems we could adopt. (Again, we could experiment with PURE capitalism. It may work. It may not. Who knows.) Or you could try, say, parecon. Or participatory economics.... This system has been formulated by the economists Michael Albert and Robin Hahnel.... And one of the key aspects of it is: you'd pay people according to how hard they work. I mean, why should a coal miner make less than Julia Roberts? And why should a construction worker make less than Nicole Kidman? And why should a surgeon make less than Brad Pitt?
So, you could devise an economic system based on how hard people work. There are some profound problems: what if people don't want to participate in this type of system? And should we reward people on how hard they work? Is that fair? So, there are a lot of problems to be worked out.
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Originally Posted by soul4real
Another black dude with a ball cap on sideways who'll drop the race card quicker than he'll drop his oversized trousers for a fat white chic. Yvonne said nothing racist whatsoever. If you think she's a bigot, than you obviously never seen real racism. For a tough guy, you're hyper sensitive. This dude Tim Wise speaks for Tim Wise, and apparently you...he doesn't speak for White People any more than you speak for black people.That's asinine. In fact, Natina's a big fan of his, so you and her have more in common than you might think. She'll be along any minute now so you two can commiserate about white folks. People can, and should express their beliefs and opinions in an open forum without fear of being slapped a racist because they say something you don't agree with. In your world most white folks are either overt racists, or closet racists. Do you interact with more white folks much? Stop with the over done cries of racism...you're starting to pollute too many threads with it.
Its funny how quick you are to prejudge me. My avatar pic is a picture i took to be funny because my hair is long, and I never had braids before. (inside joke thing). Its crazy that your judging my behavior and using the race card.. I indeed did not, and actually am one who is an advocate against not using it. But I will stick by my guns, acknowledging that there is a white privileged is a "FORM" of racism. For the race card to be a non factor would be to suggest that there isn't any disadvantages as a whole to my race.. and I refuse to allow those type of narrow minded thinking pass as fact. Poll fact google it most white american's "Perceive" racism isnt still a problem, versus Black people who live thru it.
What would lead you to believe that I don't interact or talk to white "folks"? I'm part white, my grandmother is of German decent, and grew up in central Pennsylvania, dutch country eating potato bread, and soft pretzels. You know nothing of my background, education, or family history.. Your pre-judging me based of an avatar picture and some comments you obviously took out of context. Scroll thru i didnt use any race card, i brought up the civil rights protest and how they faced police resistance, and your friend Yvonne made that likening to using the "race card".
You're prejudice, by definition all that means is a pre judges. Every assumption you made about me was wrong... and yet your asking me to stop? Please if you or Yvonne have race issues, which obviously you do, don't turn them on someone who is just defending, the stigmatizing jokes, punchlines, and stereotypes you feed into.
You and your friend are the ones polluting my post about the "Occupy Wall street" post with race talk.
Russ, you're in serious danger of making an important connection here mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by russtafa
We'll have you singing the red flag in no time! :dancing:
Yup.. thats what this is realy about
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTLaE...ayer_embedded#!
fuck that for a joke i'm a nationalist i will never be marching to the socialist internationalQuote:
Originally Posted by robertlouis
You set 'em up pal, I'll knock 'em down. Maybe you could become a National Socialist, but that went a bit wrong the last time.....Quote:
Originally Posted by russtafa
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Originally Posted by robertlouis
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by flabbybody
What lead to the uprising, as it were:
Lehman CEO defends his $500M bonuses that he got from his Bankrupt Company - YouTube
If this was happening in the UK, I'd march. At long last there's an anger that's focused firmly on the real villains behind the present economic debacle, the bankers and their supporters inside and outside government, and that's why it scares them.
If you're one of the people here who've sneered at the protesters and their idealism (yes, there are of course the usual rentamob anarchists and other opportunists involved), just consider this for a moment.
Does your negativism actually put you on the side of the bankers, hoping that they will continue to ride roughshod over the lives and hopes of ordinary people? I can't believe that anyone would actually want that.
Or maybe you're just too damn lazy to get off your arse to support a cause that is actually at long last worth fighting for and prefer to sneer and snipe from the sidelines.
These protests are a fragile flower which could just as easily get blown away tomorrow. But I hope not - this is a golden moment, a chance to finally clean out the Augean stables that we've all allowed the global financial system to become. If this movement takes hold and succeeds in implementing fundamental changes to the way that the economy functions, then to quote Obama himself, "Change has finally come to America."
Good luck to you Soul4real, and all your compatriots. God speed.
"Even as private sector workers lose health coverage" This in a country where the health lobby, their media friends and the entire force of the Republitards manage to convince a majority of the population that free or low-cost healthcare is somehow a great evil. SMFH.Quote:
Originally Posted by flabbybody
Your country is just so fucked up.
Wealth inequality has accelerated across North America in the last 30 years.
America, which has seen a shrinking middle class. And Canada, too. And Mexico was hammered by NAFTA.
That's why corporate Democrat Slick Willy Clinton introduced Operation Gatekeeper. Which was to militarize the American-Mexican border because he knew full well that NAFTA was going to destroy the Mexican economy.
The Trouble With Billionaires - YouTube
Ron Paul Says The Border Fence Built To Keep Us In - YouTubeQuote:
Originally Posted by Ben
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That inequality is just as marked here in the UK, Ben, which makes us different from almost all the other major member states of the EU. And for me it's one of the greatest failings of the Blair and Brown governments that not only did they fail to arrest the trend, it actually accelerated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben
I do like Ron Paul.... Thanks Bella for the clip. Here's another -- :)Quote:
Originally Posted by BellaBellucci
Ron Paul: The Last Nail - Floor Speech. - YouTube
No they're not...you have a right to say practically anything you want (note: I said practically anything) ...you can protest things you find unjust...You also have the right to peacefully assemble, but you DO NOT have the right to assemble without disregard to local laws. Governments have the right to set restrictions.Quote:
Originally Posted by soul4real